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  • sean tremblay
    Jeff as a matter of fact I am writing. I ve been working on three different pieces, one I started while I was offshore as a way to keeping connected with my
    Message 1 of 26 , May 30, 2007
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      Jeff as a matter of fact I am writing.  I've been working on three different pieces, one I started while I was offshore as a way to keeping connected with my kids, I would e-mail them a chapter every night as bed time stories.  I also have a horror story for lack of a better term it's a way of exercising demons and creating an exiting story in the process, certain characters are formed by aspects of my own psyche. I am also working on something more personal but that will take a while,  It's intimidating to lay yourself bare for all to read but it's something I admired in guy's like Brakowski.  The biggest huddle is being satisfied enough with a piece to submit.  We can be are own worse critics (but when I see allot of junk being published I suppose I can pull it off).
      Burritos
      Shrimp
      roasted potato's
      cilantro
      chopped peppers, Scotch bonnet, jalapeno etc.
      red onion
      balsamic, just a splash
      Spanish chili powder
      garlic
      Goya brand ranchero sauce
      In a skillet saute shrimp, peppers, and onion in olive oil add garlic and roast potatoes, splash with balsamic(or white wine) add chili powder to taste (if it looks good it tastes good) roll in large burrito add large amounts of whole leaf cilantro and cheese
      cover rolled burrito in a small stream of ranchero top with more cheese and bake at 350, buy time your ready to crack your second dos equis the burritos will be done.
      Congratulations on your awakening
      Please don't tell me the ending
      I'm still watching the movie 


      Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
      Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
      on many points, and much of
      what may seem like differing
      points of view are more a
      matter of semantics.

      The church (especially) and
      most religious traditions have
      become a train wreck of the
      authentic teacher's original
      teachings. Here, we absolutely
      agree. There's no fun in
      fundamentalism. The fanatic
      religious view is the origin
      of just about all wars.

      Yes, too bad that the term
      "Enlightenment" has fallen into
      something more like entrapment
      in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".

      Your philosophy of:

      Eat good food
      fall in love
      raise happy kids
      do meaningful work

      is simply beautiful. There's
      an old Zen saying that goes
      something like, "Before awakening,
      chop wood, carry water. After
      awakening, chop wood, carry water."

      I think that there is a large
      audience for your "Scraped Knee
      School of Philosophy". Your writing
      style is unique and very appealing.
      I hope that you continue to
      develop that gift (inheritance) .

      Do you keep a journal or write
      often? Considering a book? You
      use great analogies and very
      creative metaphors.

      Love, as always,

      Jeff

      PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:

      1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
      would you?

      2. A suggested perspective:

      Think of the battles in the gita
      and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
      of the old testament or the tight-ass
      writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
      rather than physical battles - in terms
      of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
      the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
      ...awakening.

      3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
      I went through the door. One of the great
      failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
      is that they leave the seeker outside
      the door of awakening - leaving them
      frustrated or waiting for their "reward
      in heaven" - after they die. What
      unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
      bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
      before I pull out my soapbox.

      --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
      <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:
      >
      > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
      it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing expresion
      or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
      trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
      course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most important
      gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
      the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
      conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or a
      kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
      bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
      probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a bit "Willfull"
      and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
      have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all to
      reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
      belts and kid nappings and so on and so
      > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
      sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it be
      trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by it
      from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land of
      canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
      talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
      as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
      realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
      enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
      may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
      this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because the
      pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
      not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
      disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
      will is a contradiction in terms! Try
      > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
      not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
      Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
      Good luck on your quest.
      > Eat good food
      > fall in love
      > raise happy kids
      > do meaningfull work
      >
      > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
      > Hi Sean -
      >
      > Yours is a reasonable response...
      > and it speaks to the difficulty -
      > or rather the impossibility of precise
      > communication between two different
      > levels of consciousness. (If you're
      > interested, David Hawkins' book
      > "Power vs Force" details his take
      > on levels of consciousness) .
      >
      > The realization that "everything
      > works under one law" does not negate
      > free will, it elevates it. We can
      > still choose between a cheeseburger
      > and baked scallops, and exercise
      > free will on the mundane level -
      > the trance level, or the level
      > that we've been social coerced
      > to accept as "all there is".
      >
      > But when nondual realization (by
      > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
      > through, the personal ego gives way
      > to the notion that the reasonsable
      > and rational "self awareness" is...
      > all there is to being alive.
      >
      > (Here's where precision of language
      > begins to be impossible) Instead,
      > personal self awareness is seen
      > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
      > (even called illusory in most
      > eastern traditions)
      >
      > Enlightened Self Awareness is
      > something entirely different.
      >
      > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
      > shifts our perspective from being
      > an isolated and independent "thinker",
      > to a oneness or wholeness in which
      > we now know that we are an "aspect"
      > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
      > eternal, field of consciousness.
      >
      > The personal ego necessarily
      > goes through the agony of complete
      > collapse - giving way to the new
      > realization that...hang on to your
      > hat...there is a power greater
      > than we are as individuals. And
      > this "power" is beyond anything
      > we formerly thought or imagined,
      > different from personal ego..yet
      > we are still a fully functional "part"
      > of this whole unified field.
      >
      > This realization brings incredible
      > joy and freedom - and enhanced
      > free will, without the "should I or
      > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
      > trusts completely in what "Is".
      > And that translates to a completely
      > free life, freedom from fear and
      > doubt, and trust in one's own
      > judgment (free will), because it is
      > known that the choices are "guided"
      > within the context of the whole
      > of existence.
      >
      > Jeff
      >
      > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
      > <bethjams9@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
      awareness,
      > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
      > >
      > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
      > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
      > done".
      > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
      > > do!"
      > > Kir Li Molari
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
      > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
      > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
      > >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > ------------ --------- --------- ---
      > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
      > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
      >



      Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.
      Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.

    • Jeff Belyea
      Great, Sean. I d love to see some of your writing - not to critique, but to simply enjoy. Mucho gracias for the shrimp burrito recipe. Looks like a few more
      Message 2 of 26 , May 30, 2007
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        Great, Sean. I'd love to see some
        of your writing - not to critique,
        but to simply enjoy.

        Mucho gracias for the shrimp burrito recipe.
        Looks like a few more cold ones would
        be necessary to get me past the jalapeno
        and chili combine! Yeow! Sounds scrumptious.

        When we were in the Baltimore area,
        they used to serve chili-pepper hot
        soft shell crabs with a pitcher of beer...

        Next morning...wicked headache, and
        a burn ring around the mouth. But, boy,
        were they good (as much as I can remember).

        About the movie:

        The good thing is...no one can
        tell you the ending. It must be
        personally experienced. The joy
        is in the journey as well as
        the discovery...and as Rumi
        wrote:

        I kept knocking on the door
        until I realized that I was
        knocking from the inside.


        --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
        <bethjams9@...> wrote:
        >
        > Jeff as a matter of fact I am writing. I've been working on three
        different pieces, one I started while I was offshore as a way to
        keeping connected with my kids, I would e-mail them a chapter every
        night as bed time stories. I also have a horror story for lack of a
        better term it's a way of exercising demons and creating an exiting
        story in the process, certain characters are formed by aspects of my
        own psyche. I am also working on something more personal but that
        will take a while, It's intimidating to lay yourself bare for all to
        read but it's something I admired in guy's like Brakowski. The
        biggest huddle is being satisfied enough with a piece to submit. We
        can be are own worse critics (but when I see allot of junk being
        published I suppose I can pull it off).
        > Burritos
        > Shrimp
        > roasted potato's
        > cilantro
        > chopped peppers, Scotch bonnet, jalapeno etc.
        > red onion
        > balsamic, just a splash
        > Spanish chili powder
        > garlic
        > Goya brand ranchero sauce
        > In a skillet saute shrimp, peppers, and onion in olive oil add
        garlic and roast potatoes, splash with balsamic(or white wine) add
        chili powder to taste (if it looks good it tastes good) roll in large
        burrito add large amounts of whole leaf cilantro and cheese
        > cover rolled burrito in a small stream of ranchero top with more
        cheese and bake at 350, buy time your ready to crack your second dos
        equis the burritos will be done.
        > Congratulations on your awakening
        > Please don't tell me the ending
        > I'm still watching the movie
        >
        >
        > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
        > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
        > on many points, and much of
        > what may seem like differing
        > points of view are more a
        > matter of semantics.
        >
        > The church (especially) and
        > most religious traditions have
        > become a train wreck of the
        > authentic teacher's original
        > teachings. Here, we absolutely
        > agree. There's no fun in
        > fundamentalism. The fanatic
        > religious view is the origin
        > of just about all wars.
        >
        > Yes, too bad that the term
        > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
        > something more like entrapment
        > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
        >
        > Your philosophy of:
        >
        > Eat good food
        > fall in love
        > raise happy kids
        > do meaningful work
        >
        > is simply beautiful. There's
        > an old Zen saying that goes
        > something like, "Before awakening,
        > chop wood, carry water. After
        > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
        >
        > I think that there is a large
        > audience for your "Scraped Knee
        > School of Philosophy". Your writing
        > style is unique and very appealing.
        > I hope that you continue to
        > develop that gift (inheritance).
        >
        > Do you keep a journal or write
        > often? Considering a book? You
        > use great analogies and very
        > creative metaphors.
        >
        > Love, as always,
        >
        > Jeff
        >
        > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
        >
        > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
        > would you?
        >
        > 2. A suggested perspective:
        >
        > Think of the battles in the gita
        > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
        > of the old testament or the tight-ass
        > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
        > rather than physical battles - in terms
        > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
        > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
        > ...awakening.
        >
        > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
        > I went through the door. One of the great
        > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
        > is that they leave the seeker outside
        > the door of awakening - leaving them
        > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
        > in heaven" - after they die. What
        > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
        > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
        > before I pull out my soapbox.
        >
        > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
        > <bethjams9@> wrote:
        > >
        > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
        > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
        expresion
        > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
        > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
        > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
        important
        > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
        > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
        > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or
        a
        > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
        > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
        > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
        bit "Willfull"
        > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
        > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all
        to
        > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
        > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
        > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
        > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it
        be
        > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by
        it
        > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land
        of
        > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
        > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
        > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
        > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
        > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
        > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
        > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because
        the
        > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
        > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
        > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
        > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
        > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
        > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
        > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
        > Good luck on your quest.
        > > Eat good food
        > > fall in love
        > > raise happy kids
        > > do meaningfull work
        > >
        > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
        > > Hi Sean -
        > >
        > > Yours is a reasonable response...
        > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
        > > or rather the impossibility of precise
        > > communication between two different
        > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
        > > interested, David Hawkins' book
        > > "Power vs Force" details his take
        > > on levels of consciousness).
        > >
        > > The realization that "everything
        > > works under one law" does not negate
        > > free will, it elevates it. We can
        > > still choose between a cheeseburger
        > > and baked scallops, and exercise
        > > free will on the mundane level -
        > > the trance level, or the level
        > > that we've been social coerced
        > > to accept as "all there is".
        > >
        > > But when nondual realization (by
        > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
        > > through, the personal ego gives way
        > > to the notion that the reasonsable
        > > and rational "self awareness" is...
        > > all there is to being alive.
        > >
        > > (Here's where precision of language
        > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
        > > personal self awareness is seen
        > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
        > > (even called illusory in most
        > > eastern traditions)
        > >
        > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
        > > something entirely different.
        > >
        > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
        > > shifts our perspective from being
        > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
        > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
        > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
        > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
        > > eternal, field of consciousness.
        > >
        > > The personal ego necessarily
        > > goes through the agony of complete
        > > collapse - giving way to the new
        > > realization that...hang on to your
        > > hat...there is a power greater
        > > than we are as individuals. And
        > > this "power" is beyond anything
        > > we formerly thought or imagined,
        > > different from personal ego..yet
        > > we are still a fully functional "part"
        > > of this whole unified field.
        > >
        > > This realization brings incredible
        > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
        > > free will, without the "should I or
        > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
        > > trusts completely in what "Is".
        > > And that translates to a completely
        > > free life, freedom from fear and
        > > doubt, and trust in one's own
        > > judgment (free will), because it is
        > > known that the choices are "guided"
        > > within the context of the whole
        > > of existence.
        > >
        > > Jeff
        > >
        > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
        > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
        > awareness,
        > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
        > > >
        > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
        > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
        > > done".
        > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
        > > > do!"
        > > > Kir Li Molari
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > ---------------------------------
        > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
        > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
        > > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > ---------------------------------
        > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
        > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
        > >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > ---------------------------------
        > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your
        story.
        > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
        >
      • Aideen McKenna
        You know what would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book. Aideen _____ From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
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          You know what would be wonderful?  Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.

           

          Aideen

           


          From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
          Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
          To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] The Facts of Life

           

          Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
          on many points, and much of
          what may seem like differing
          points of view are more a
          matter of semantics.

          The church (especially) and
          most religious traditions have
          become a train wreck of the
          authentic teacher's original
          teachings. Here, we absolutely
          agree. There's no fun in
          fundamentalism. The fanatic
          religious view is the origin
          of just about all wars.

          Yes, too bad that the term
          "Enlightenment" has fallen into
          something more like entrapment
          in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".

          Your philosophy of:

          Eat good food
          fall in love
          raise happy kids
          do meaningful work

          is simply beautiful. There's
          an old Zen saying that goes
          something like, "Before awakening,
          chop wood, carry water. After
          awakening, chop wood, carry water."

          I think that there is a large
          audience for your "Scraped Knee
          School of Philosophy ". Your writing
          style is unique and very appealing.
          I hope that you continue to
          develop that gift (inheritance) .

          Do you keep a journal or write
          often? Considering a book? You
          use great analogies and very
          creative metaphors.

          Love, as always,

          Jeff

          PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:

          1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
          would you?

          2. A suggested perspective:

          Think of the battles in the gita
          and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
          of the old testament or the tight-ass
          writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
          rather than physical battles - in terms
          of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
          the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
          ...awakening.

          3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
          I went through the door. One of the great
          failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
          is that they leave the seeker outside
          the door of awakening - leaving them
          frustrated or waiting for their "reward
          in heaven" - after they die. What
          unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
          bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
          before I pull out my soapbox.

          --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
          <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:

          >
          > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
          it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing expresion
          or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
          trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
          course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most important
          gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
          the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
          conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or a
          kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
          bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
          probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a bit "Willfull"
          and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
          have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all to
          reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
          belts and kid nappings and so on and so
          > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
          sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it be
          trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by it
          from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land of
          canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
          talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
          as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
          realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
          enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
          may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
          this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because the
          pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
          not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
          disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
          will is a contradiction in terms! Try
          > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
          not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
          Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
          Good luck on your quest.
          > Eat good food
          > fall in love
          > raise happy kids
          > do meaningfull work
          >
          > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
          > Hi Sean -
          >
          > Yours is a reasonable response...
          > and it speaks to the difficulty -
          > or rather the impossibility of precise
          > communication between two different
          > levels of consciousness. (If you're
          > interested, David Hawkins' book
          > "Power vs Force" details his take
          > on levels of consciousness) .
          >
          > The realization that "everything
          > works under one law" does not negate
          > free will, it elevates it. We can
          > still choose between a cheeseburger
          > and baked scallops, and exercise
          > free will on the mundane level -
          > the trance level, or the level
          > that we've been social coerced
          > to accept as "all there is".
          >
          > But when nondual realization (by
          > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
          > through, the personal ego gives way
          > to the notion that the reasonsable
          > and rational "self awareness" is...
          > all there is to being alive.
          >
          > (Here's where precision of language
          > begins to be impossible) Instead,
          > personal self awareness is seen
          > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
          > (even called illusory in most
          > eastern traditions)
          >
          > Enlightened Self Awareness is
          > something entirely different.
          >
          > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
          > shifts our perspective from being
          > an isolated and independent "thinker",
          > to a oneness or wholeness in which
          > we now know that we are an "aspect"
          > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
          > eternal, field of consciousness.
          >
          > The personal ego necessarily
          > goes through the agony of complete
          > collapse - giving way to the new
          > realization that...hang on to your
          > hat...there is a power greater
          > than we are as individuals. And
          > this "power" is beyond anything
          > we formerly thought or imagined,
          > different from personal ego..yet
          > we are still a fully functional "part"
          > of this whole unified field.
          >
          > This realization brings incredible
          > joy and freedom - and enhanced
          > free will, without the "should I or
          > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
          > trusts completely in what "Is".
          > And that translates to a completely
          > free life, freedom from fear and
          > doubt, and trust in one's own
          > judgment (free will), because it is
          > known that the choices are "guided"
          > within the context of the whole
          > of existence.
          >
          > Jeff
          >
          > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com,
          sean tremblay
          > <bethjams9@> wrote:
          > >
          > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
          awareness,
          > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
          > >
          > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
          > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
          > done".
          > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
          > > do!"
          > > Kir Li Molari
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
          > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
          > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
          > >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > ------------ --------- --------- ---
          > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
          > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
          >

        • sean tremblay
          Thanks Aideen Aideen McKenna wrote: You know what would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book. Aideen
          Message 4 of 26 , May 31, 2007
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            Thanks Aideen

            Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@...> wrote:
            You know what would be wonderful?  Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
            Aideen

            From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
            Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
            To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
            Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] The Facts of Life
            Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
            on many points, and much of
            what may seem like differing
            points of view are more a
            matter of semantics.

            The church (especially) and
            most religious traditions have
            become a train wreck of the
            authentic teacher's original
            teachings. Here, we absolutely
            agree. There's no fun in
            fundamentalism. The fanatic
            religious view is the origin
            of just about all wars.

            Yes, too bad that the term
            "Enlightenment" has fallen into
            something more like entrapment
            in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".

            Your philosophy of:

            Eat good food
            fall in love
            raise happy kids
            do meaningful work

            is simply beautiful. There's
            an old Zen saying that goes
            something like, "Before awakening,
            chop wood, carry water. After
            awakening, chop wood, carry water."

            I think that there is a large
            audience for your "Scraped Knee
            School of Philosophy ". Your writing
            style is unique and very appealing.
            I hope that you continue to
            develop that gift (inheritance) .

            Do you keep a journal or write
            often? Considering a book? You
            use great analogies and very
            creative metaphors.

            Love, as always,

            Jeff

            PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:

            1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
            would you?

            2. A suggested perspective:

            Think of the battles in the gita
            and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
            of the old testament or the tight-ass
            writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
            rather than physical battles - in terms
            of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
            the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
            ...awakening.

            3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
            I went through the door. One of the great
            failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
            is that they leave the seeker outside
            the door of awakening - leaving them
            frustrated or waiting for their "reward
            in heaven" - after they die. What
            unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
            bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
            before I pull out my soapbox.

            --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
            <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:
            >
            > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
            it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing expresion
            or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
            trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
            course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most important
            gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
            the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
            conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or a
            kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
            bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
            probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a bit "Willfull"
            and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
            have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all to
            reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
            belts and kid nappings and so on and so
            > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
            sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it be
            trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by it
            from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land of
            canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
            talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
            as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
            realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
            enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
            may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
            this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because the
            pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
            not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
            disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
            will is a contradiction in terms! Try
            > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
            not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
            Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
            Good luck on your quest.
            > Eat good food
            > fall in love
            > raise happy kids
            > do meaningfull work
            >
            > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
            > Hi Sean -
            >
            > Yours is a reasonable response...
            > and it speaks to the difficulty -
            > or rather the impossibility of precise
            > communication between two different
            > levels of consciousness. (If you're
            > interested, David Hawkins' book
            > "Power vs Force" details his take
            > on levels of consciousness) .
            >
            > The realization that "everything
            > works under one law" does not negate
            > free will, it elevates it. We can
            > still choose between a cheeseburger
            > and baked scallops, and exercise
            > free will on the mundane level -
            > the trance level, or the level
            > that we've been social coerced
            > to accept as "all there is".
            >
            > But when nondual realization (by
            > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
            > through, the personal ego gives way
            > to the notion that the reasonsable
            > and rational "self awareness" is...
            > all there is to being alive.
            >
            > (Here's where precision of language
            > begins to be impossible) Instead,
            > personal self awareness is seen
            > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
            > (even called illusory in most
            > eastern traditions)
            >
            > Enlightened Self Awareness is
            > something entirely different.
            >
            > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
            > shifts our perspective from being
            > an isolated and independent "thinker",
            > to a oneness or wholeness in which
            > we now know that we are an "aspect"
            > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
            > eternal, field of consciousness.
            >
            > The personal ego necessarily
            > goes through the agony of complete
            > collapse - giving way to the new
            > realization that...hang on to your
            > hat...there is a power greater
            > than we are as individuals. And
            > this "power" is beyond anything
            > we formerly thought or imagined,
            > different from personal ego..yet
            > we are still a fully functional "part"
            > of this whole unified field.
            >
            > This realization brings incredible
            > joy and freedom - and enhanced
            > free will, without the "should I or
            > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
            > trusts completely in what "Is".
            > And that translates to a completely
            > free life, freedom from fear and
            > doubt, and trust in one's own
            > judgment (free will), because it is
            > known that the choices are "guided"
            > within the context of the whole
            > of existence.
            >
            > Jeff
            >
            > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
            > <bethjams9@> wrote:
            > >
            > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
            awareness,
            > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
            > >
            > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
            > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
            > done".
            > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
            > > do!"
            > > Kir Li Molari
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
            > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
            > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
            > >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > ------------ --------- --------- ---
            > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
            > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
            >


            Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows.
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          • Jeff Belyea
            Interesting concept. Maybe in a dialogue format - like we are doing here. Any title suggestions? ... would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay
            Message 5 of 26 , May 31, 2007
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              Interesting concept. Maybe in a "dialogue"
              format - like we are doing here. Any title
              suggestions?

              --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
              <bethjams9@...> wrote:
              >
              > Thanks Aideen
              >
              > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@...> wrote: You know what
              would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
              >
              > Aideen
              >
              >
              > ---------------------------------
              >
              > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
              [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
              Belyea
              > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
              > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
              >
              >
              > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
              > on many points, and much of
              > what may seem like differing
              > points of view are more a
              > matter of semantics.
              >
              > The church (especially) and
              > most religious traditions have
              > become a train wreck of the
              > authentic teacher's original
              > teachings. Here, we absolutely
              > agree. There's no fun in
              > fundamentalism. The fanatic
              > religious view is the origin
              > of just about all wars.
              >
              > Yes, too bad that the term
              > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
              > something more like entrapment
              > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
              >
              > Your philosophy of:
              >
              > Eat good food
              > fall in love
              > raise happy kids
              > do meaningful work
              >
              > is simply beautiful. There's
              > an old Zen saying that goes
              > something like, "Before awakening,
              > chop wood, carry water. After
              > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
              >
              > I think that there is a large
              > audience for your "Scraped Knee
              > School of Philosophy". Your writing
              > style is unique and very appealing.
              > I hope that you continue to
              > develop that gift (inheritance).
              >
              > Do you keep a journal or write
              > often? Considering a book? You
              > use great analogies and very
              > creative metaphors.
              >
              > Love, as always,
              >
              > Jeff
              >
              > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
              >
              > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
              > would you?
              >
              > 2. A suggested perspective:
              >
              > Think of the battles in the gita
              > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
              > of the old testament or the tight-ass
              > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
              > rather than physical battles - in terms
              > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
              > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
              > ...awakening.
              >
              > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
              > I went through the door. One of the great
              > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
              > is that they leave the seeker outside
              > the door of awakening - leaving them
              > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
              > in heaven" - after they die. What
              > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
              > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
              > before I pull out my soapbox.
              >
              > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
              > <bethjams9@> wrote:
              > >
              > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
              > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
              expresion
              > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
              > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
              > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
              important
              > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
              > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
              > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or
              a
              > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
              > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
              > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
              bit "Willfull"
              > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
              > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all
              to
              > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
              > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
              > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
              > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it
              be
              > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by
              it
              > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land
              of
              > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
              > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
              > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
              > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
              > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
              > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
              > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because
              the
              > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
              > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
              > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
              > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
              > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
              > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
              > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
              > Good luck on your quest.
              > > Eat good food
              > > fall in love
              > > raise happy kids
              > > do meaningfull work
              > >
              > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
              > > Hi Sean -
              > >
              > > Yours is a reasonable response...
              > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
              > > or rather the impossibility of precise
              > > communication between two different
              > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
              > > interested, David Hawkins' book
              > > "Power vs Force" details his take
              > > on levels of consciousness).
              > >
              > > The realization that "everything
              > > works under one law" does not negate
              > > free will, it elevates it. We can
              > > still choose between a cheeseburger
              > > and baked scallops, and exercise
              > > free will on the mundane level -
              > > the trance level, or the level
              > > that we've been social coerced
              > > to accept as "all there is".
              > >
              > > But when nondual realization (by
              > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
              > > through, the personal ego gives way
              > > to the notion that the reasonsable
              > > and rational "self awareness" is...
              > > all there is to being alive.
              > >
              > > (Here's where precision of language
              > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
              > > personal self awareness is seen
              > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
              > > (even called illusory in most
              > > eastern traditions)
              > >
              > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
              > > something entirely different.
              > >
              > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
              > > shifts our perspective from being
              > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
              > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
              > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
              > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
              > > eternal, field of consciousness.
              > >
              > > The personal ego necessarily
              > > goes through the agony of complete
              > > collapse - giving way to the new
              > > realization that...hang on to your
              > > hat...there is a power greater
              > > than we are as individuals. And
              > > this "power" is beyond anything
              > > we formerly thought or imagined,
              > > different from personal ego..yet
              > > we are still a fully functional "part"
              > > of this whole unified field.
              > >
              > > This realization brings incredible
              > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
              > > free will, without the "should I or
              > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
              > > trusts completely in what "Is".
              > > And that translates to a completely
              > > free life, freedom from fear and
              > > doubt, and trust in one's own
              > > judgment (free will), because it is
              > > known that the choices are "guided"
              > > within the context of the whole
              > > of existence.
              > >
              > > Jeff
              > >
              > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
              > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
              > > >
              > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
              > awareness,
              > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
              > > >
              > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
              > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
              > > done".
              > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
              > > > do!"
              > > > Kir Li Molari
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > ---------------------------------
              > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
              > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
              > > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > ---------------------------------
              > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
              > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
              > >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > ---------------------------------
              > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone
              who knows.
              > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
              >
            • sean tremblay
              fly in the ointment Jeff Belyea wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe in a dialogue format - like we are doing here. Any title
              Message 6 of 26 , May 31, 2007
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                fly in the ointment

                Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
                Interesting concept. Maybe in a "dialogue"
                format - like we are doing here. Any title
                suggestions?

                --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:
                >
                > Thanks Aideen
                >
                > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@. ..> wrote: You know what
                would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
                >
                > Aideen
                >
                >
                > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                >
                > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
                Belyea
                > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
                >
                >
                > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                > on many points, and much of
                > what may seem like differing
                > points of view are more a
                > matter of semantics.
                >
                > The church (especially) and
                > most religious traditions have
                > become a train wreck of the
                > authentic teacher's original
                > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                > agree. There's no fun in
                > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                > religious view is the origin
                > of just about all wars.
                >
                > Yes, too bad that the term
                > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                > something more like entrapment
                > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                >
                > Your philosophy of:
                >
                > Eat good food
                > fall in love
                > raise happy kids
                > do meaningful work
                >
                > is simply beautiful. There's
                > an old Zen saying that goes
                > something like, "Before awakening,
                > chop wood, carry water. After
                > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                >
                > I think that there is a large
                > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                > style is unique and very appealing.
                > I hope that you continue to
                > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                >
                > Do you keep a journal or write
                > often? Considering a book? You
                > use great analogies and very
                > creative metaphors.
                >
                > Love, as always,
                >
                > Jeff
                >
                > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                >
                > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                > would you?
                >
                > 2. A suggested perspective:
                >
                > Think of the battles in the gita
                > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                > rather than physical battles - in terms
                > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                > ...awakening.
                >
                > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                > I went through the door. One of the great
                > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                > is that they leave the seeker outside
                > the door of awakening - leaving them
                > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                > in heaven" - after they die. What
                > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                > before I pull out my soapbox.
                >
                > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                > >
                > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
                > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                expresion
                > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
                > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
                > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                important
                > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
                > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
                > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or
                a
                > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
                > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
                > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                bit "Willfull"
                > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
                > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all
                to
                > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
                > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
                > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it
                be
                > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by
                it
                > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land
                of
                > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
                > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
                > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
                > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
                > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
                > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because
                the
                > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
                > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
                > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
                > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
                > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
                > Good luck on your quest.
                > > Eat good food
                > > fall in love
                > > raise happy kids
                > > do meaningfull work
                > >
                > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                > > Hi Sean -
                > >
                > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                > > communication between two different
                > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                > > on levels of consciousness) .
                > >
                > > The realization that "everything
                > > works under one law" does not negate
                > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                > > free will on the mundane level -
                > > the trance level, or the level
                > > that we've been social coerced
                > > to accept as "all there is".
                > >
                > > But when nondual realization (by
                > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                > > through, the personal ego gives way
                > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                > > all there is to being alive.
                > >
                > > (Here's where precision of language
                > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                > > personal self awareness is seen
                > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                > > (even called illusory in most
                > > eastern traditions)
                > >
                > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                > > something entirely different.
                > >
                > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                > > shifts our perspective from being
                > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                > >
                > > The personal ego necessarily
                > > goes through the agony of complete
                > > collapse - giving way to the new
                > > realization that...hang on to your
                > > hat...there is a power greater
                > > than we are as individuals. And
                > > this "power" is beyond anything
                > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                > > different from personal ego..yet
                > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                > > of this whole unified field.
                > >
                > > This realization brings incredible
                > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                > > free will, without the "should I or
                > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                > > And that translates to a completely
                > > free life, freedom from fear and
                > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                > > judgment (free will), because it is
                > > known that the choices are "guided"
                > > within the context of the whole
                > > of existence.
                > >
                > > Jeff
                > >
                > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                > > >
                > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                > awareness,
                > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                > > >
                > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
                > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                > > done".
                > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                > > > do!"
                > > > Kir Li Molari
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                > > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                > >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > ------------ --------- --------- ---
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              • Jeff Belyea
                I like it. Maybe... the fly gets annointed. ... in a dialogue ... Jeff ... of ... and ... or ... the ... I ... it ... land ... board. ... what ... of ...
                Message 7 of 26 , Jun 1, 2007
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                  I like it. Maybe...

                  the fly gets annointed.

                  --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                  <bethjams9@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > fly in the ointment
                  >
                  > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                  in a "dialogue"
                  > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                  > suggestions?
                  >
                  > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                  > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Thanks Aideen
                  > >
                  > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                  > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
                  > >
                  > > Aideen
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ---------------------------------
                  > >
                  > > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                  > [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                  Jeff
                  > Belyea
                  > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                  > > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                  > > on many points, and much of
                  > > what may seem like differing
                  > > points of view are more a
                  > > matter of semantics.
                  > >
                  > > The church (especially) and
                  > > most religious traditions have
                  > > become a train wreck of the
                  > > authentic teacher's original
                  > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                  > > agree. There's no fun in
                  > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                  > > religious view is the origin
                  > > of just about all wars.
                  > >
                  > > Yes, too bad that the term
                  > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                  > > something more like entrapment
                  > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                  > >
                  > > Your philosophy of:
                  > >
                  > > Eat good food
                  > > fall in love
                  > > raise happy kids
                  > > do meaningful work
                  > >
                  > > is simply beautiful. There's
                  > > an old Zen saying that goes
                  > > something like, "Before awakening,
                  > > chop wood, carry water. After
                  > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                  > >
                  > > I think that there is a large
                  > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                  > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                  > > style is unique and very appealing.
                  > > I hope that you continue to
                  > > develop that gift (inheritance).
                  > >
                  > > Do you keep a journal or write
                  > > often? Considering a book? You
                  > > use great analogies and very
                  > > creative metaphors.
                  > >
                  > > Love, as always,
                  > >
                  > > Jeff
                  > >
                  > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                  > >
                  > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                  > > would you?
                  > >
                  > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                  > >
                  > > Think of the battles in the gita
                  > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                  > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                  > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                  > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                  > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                  > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                  > > ...awakening.
                  > >
                  > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                  > > I went through the door. One of the great
                  > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                  > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                  > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                  > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                  > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                  > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                  > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                  > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                  > >
                  > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                  > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
                  > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                  > expresion
                  > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
                  > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and
                  of
                  > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                  > important
                  > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
                  > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest
                  and
                  > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis
                  or
                  > a
                  > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe
                  the
                  > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
                  > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                  > bit "Willfull"
                  > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem
                  I
                  > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all
                  > to
                  > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
                  > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                  > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
                  > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let
                  it
                  > be
                  > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by
                  > it
                  > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the
                  land
                  > of
                  > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                  > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on
                  board.
                  > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But
                  what
                  > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake
                  of
                  > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                  person
                  > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                  enlightenment
                  > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because
                  > the
                  > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language
                  does
                  > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
                  > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
                  > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                  > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
                  > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                  > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                  delusional.
                  > > Good luck on your quest.
                  > > > Eat good food
                  > > > fall in love
                  > > > raise happy kids
                  > > > do meaningfull work
                  > > >
                  > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                  > > > Hi Sean -
                  > > >
                  > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                  > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                  > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                  > > > communication between two different
                  > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                  > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                  > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                  > > > on levels of consciousness).
                  > > >
                  > > > The realization that "everything
                  > > > works under one law" does not negate
                  > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                  > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                  > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                  > > > free will on the mundane level -
                  > > > the trance level, or the level
                  > > > that we've been social coerced
                  > > > to accept as "all there is".
                  > > >
                  > > > But when nondual realization (by
                  > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                  > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                  > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                  > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                  > > > all there is to being alive.
                  > > >
                  > > > (Here's where precision of language
                  > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                  > > > personal self awareness is seen
                  > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                  > > > (even called illusory in most
                  > > > eastern traditions)
                  > > >
                  > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                  > > > something entirely different.
                  > > >
                  > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                  > > > shifts our perspective from being
                  > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                  > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                  > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                  > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                  > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                  > > >
                  > > > The personal ego necessarily
                  > > > goes through the agony of complete
                  > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                  > > > realization that...hang on to your
                  > > > hat...there is a power greater
                  > > > than we are as individuals. And
                  > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                  > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                  > > > different from personal ego..yet
                  > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                  > > > of this whole unified field.
                  > > >
                  > > > This realization brings incredible
                  > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                  > > > free will, without the "should I or
                  > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                  > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                  > > > And that translates to a completely
                  > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                  > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                  > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                  > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                  > > > within the context of the whole
                  > > > of existence.
                  > > >
                  > > > Jeff
                  > > >
                  > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                  tremblay
                  > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                  > > awareness,
                  > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                  > > > >
                  > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                  > > > done".
                  > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                  > > > > do!"
                  > > > > Kir Li Molari
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > ---------------------------------
                  > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                  > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                  > > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > ---------------------------------
                  > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                  > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                  > > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ---------------------------------
                  > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone
                  > who knows.
                  > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                  > >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > ---------------------------------
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                  web links.
                  >
                • Jeff Belyea
                  Just for clarification: Annointed (usally spelled anointed ) is a combination word, meaning - annoyed and anointed. ... tremblay ... know ... and ... in ...
                  Message 8 of 26 , Jun 1, 2007
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                    Just for clarification:

                    "Annointed" (usally spelled
                    "anointed") is a combination
                    word, meaning - annoyed and
                    anointed.

                    --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
                    <jeff@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > I like it. Maybe...
                    >
                    > the fly gets annointed.
                    >
                    > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                    > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > fly in the ointment
                    > >
                    > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                    > in a "dialogue"
                    > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                    > > suggestions?
                    > >
                    > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                    > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > Thanks Aideen
                    > > >
                    > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                    > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
                    > > >
                    > > > Aideen
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ---------------------------------
                    > > >
                    > > > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                    > > [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                    > Jeff
                    > > Belyea
                    > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                    > > > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                    > > > on many points, and much of
                    > > > what may seem like differing
                    > > > points of view are more a
                    > > > matter of semantics.
                    > > >
                    > > > The church (especially) and
                    > > > most religious traditions have
                    > > > become a train wreck of the
                    > > > authentic teacher's original
                    > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                    > > > agree. There's no fun in
                    > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                    > > > religious view is the origin
                    > > > of just about all wars.
                    > > >
                    > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                    > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                    > > > something more like entrapment
                    > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                    > > >
                    > > > Your philosophy of:
                    > > >
                    > > > Eat good food
                    > > > fall in love
                    > > > raise happy kids
                    > > > do meaningful work
                    > > >
                    > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                    > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                    > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                    > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                    > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                    > > >
                    > > > I think that there is a large
                    > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                    > > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                    > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                    > > > I hope that you continue to
                    > > > develop that gift (inheritance).
                    > > >
                    > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                    > > > often? Considering a book? You
                    > > > use great analogies and very
                    > > > creative metaphors.
                    > > >
                    > > > Love, as always,
                    > > >
                    > > > Jeff
                    > > >
                    > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                    > > >
                    > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                    > > > would you?
                    > > >
                    > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                    > > >
                    > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                    > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                    > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                    > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                    > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                    > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                    > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                    > > > ...awakening.
                    > > >
                    > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                    > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                    > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                    > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                    > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                    > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                    > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                    > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                    > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                    > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                    > > >
                    > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                    tremblay
                    > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also
                    know
                    > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                    > > expresion
                    > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
                    > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul"
                    and
                    > of
                    > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                    > > important
                    > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal
                    in
                    > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest
                    > and
                    > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                    Davis
                    > or
                    > > a
                    > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe
                    > the
                    > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass
                    it's
                    > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                    > > bit "Willfull"
                    > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                    problem
                    > I
                    > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is
                    all
                    > > to
                    > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                    bomb
                    > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                    > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
                    > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let
                    > it
                    > > be
                    > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I
                    by
                    > > it
                    > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the
                    > land
                    > > of
                    > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                    > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on
                    > board.
                    > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But
                    > what
                    > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                    sake
                    > of
                    > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                    > person
                    > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                    > enlightenment
                    > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                    because
                    > > the
                    > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language
                    > does
                    > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So
                    I
                    > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                    without
                    > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                    > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one
                    do
                    > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                    > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                    > delusional.
                    > > > Good luck on your quest.
                    > > > > Eat good food
                    > > > > fall in love
                    > > > > raise happy kids
                    > > > > do meaningfull work
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                    > > > > Hi Sean -
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                    > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                    > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                    > > > > communication between two different
                    > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                    > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                    > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                    > > > > on levels of consciousness).
                    > > > >
                    > > > > The realization that "everything
                    > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                    > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                    > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                    > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                    > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                    > > > > the trance level, or the level
                    > > > > that we've been social coerced
                    > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                    > > > >
                    > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                    > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                    > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                    > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                    > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                    > > > > all there is to being alive.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                    > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                    > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                    > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                    > > > > (even called illusory in most
                    > > > > eastern traditions)
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                    > > > > something entirely different.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                    > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                    > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                    > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                    > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                    > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                    > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                    > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                    > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                    > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                    > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                    > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                    > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                    > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                    > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                    > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                    > > > > of this whole unified field.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > This realization brings incredible
                    > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                    > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                    > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                    > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                    > > > > And that translates to a completely
                    > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                    > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                    > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                    > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                    > > > > within the context of the whole
                    > > > > of existence.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Jeff
                    > > > >
                    > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                    > tremblay
                    > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                    > > > awareness,
                    > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                    > > > > done".
                    > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                    > > > > > do!"
                    > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > ---------------------------------
                    > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                    > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > ---------------------------------
                    > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                    > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                    > > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ---------------------------------
                    > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
                    someone
                    > > who knows.
                    > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                    > > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ---------------------------------
                    > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
                    > web links.
                    > >
                    >
                  • sean tremblay
                    I dig it, maybe there s a publisher in the chat group Jeff Belyea wrote: Just for clarification: Annointed (usally spelled
                    Message 9 of 26 , Jun 1, 2007
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                      I dig it,  maybe there's a publisher in the chat group

                      Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
                      Just for clarification:

                      "Annointed" (usally spelled
                      "anointed") is a combination
                      word, meaning - annoyed and
                      anointed.

                      --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
                      <jeff@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > I like it. Maybe...
                      >
                      > the fly gets annointed.
                      >
                      > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                      > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > fly in the ointment
                      > >
                      > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                      > in a "dialogue"
                      > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                      > > suggestions?
                      > >
                      > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                      > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > Thanks Aideen
                      > > >
                      > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                      > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
                      > > >
                      > > > Aideen
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                      > > >
                      > > > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                      > > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of
                      > Jeff
                      > > Belyea
                      > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                      > > > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                      > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                      > > > on many points, and much of
                      > > > what may seem like differing
                      > > > points of view are more a
                      > > > matter of semantics.
                      > > >
                      > > > The church (especially) and
                      > > > most religious traditions have
                      > > > become a train wreck of the
                      > > > authentic teacher's original
                      > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                      > > > agree. There's no fun in
                      > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                      > > > religious view is the origin
                      > > > of just about all wars.
                      > > >
                      > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                      > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                      > > > something more like entrapment
                      > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                      > > >
                      > > > Your philosophy of:
                      > > >
                      > > > Eat good food
                      > > > fall in love
                      > > > raise happy kids
                      > > > do meaningful work
                      > > >
                      > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                      > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                      > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                      > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                      > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                      > > >
                      > > > I think that there is a large
                      > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                      > > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                      > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                      > > > I hope that you continue to
                      > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                      > > >
                      > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                      > > > often? Considering a book? You
                      > > > use great analogies and very
                      > > > creative metaphors.
                      > > >
                      > > > Love, as always,
                      > > >
                      > > > Jeff
                      > > >
                      > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                      > > >
                      > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                      > > > would you?
                      > > >
                      > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                      > > >
                      > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                      > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                      > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                      > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                      > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                      > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                      > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                      > > > ...awakening.
                      > > >
                      > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                      > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                      > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                      > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                      > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                      > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                      > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                      > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                      > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                      > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
                      tremblay
                      > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also
                      know
                      > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                      > > expresion
                      > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
                      > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul"
                      and
                      > of
                      > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                      > > important
                      > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal
                      in
                      > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest
                      > and
                      > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                      Davis
                      > or
                      > > a
                      > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe
                      > the
                      > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass
                      it's
                      > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                      > > bit "Willfull"
                      > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                      problem
                      > I
                      > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is
                      all
                      > > to
                      > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                      bomb
                      > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                      > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
                      > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let
                      > it
                      > > be
                      > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I
                      by
                      > > it
                      > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the
                      > land
                      > > of
                      > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                      > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on
                      > board.
                      > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But
                      > what
                      > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                      sake
                      > of
                      > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                      > person
                      > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                      > enlightenment
                      > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                      because
                      > > the
                      > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language
                      > does
                      > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So
                      I
                      > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                      without
                      > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                      > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one
                      do
                      > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                      > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                      > delusional.
                      > > > Good luck on your quest.
                      > > > > Eat good food
                      > > > > fall in love
                      > > > > raise happy kids
                      > > > > do meaningfull work
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                      > > > > Hi Sean -
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                      > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                      > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                      > > > > communication between two different
                      > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                      > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                      > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                      > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                      > > > >
                      > > > > The realization that "everything
                      > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                      > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                      > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                      > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                      > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                      > > > > the trance level, or the level
                      > > > > that we've been social coerced
                      > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                      > > > >
                      > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                      > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                      > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                      > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                      > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                      > > > > all there is to being alive.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                      > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                      > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                      > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                      > > > > (even called illusory in most
                      > > > > eastern traditions)
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                      > > > > something entirely different.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                      > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                      > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                      > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                      > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                      > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                      > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                      > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                      > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                      > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                      > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                      > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                      > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                      > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                      > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                      > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                      > > > > of this whole unified field.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > This realization brings incredible
                      > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                      > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                      > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                      > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                      > > > > And that translates to a completely
                      > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                      > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                      > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                      > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                      > > > > within the context of the whole
                      > > > > of existence.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Jeff
                      > > > >
                      > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
                      > tremblay
                      > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                      > > > awareness,
                      > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
                      > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                      > > > > done".
                      > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                      > > > > > do!"
                      > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                      > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                      > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                      > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                      > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                      > > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                      > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
                      someone
                      > > who knows.
                      > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                      > > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                      > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
                      > web links.
                      > >
                      >



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                    • Jeff Belyea
                      Sean - I have a publisher. Email me privately and we ll work out the details. jeff@mindgoal.com ... tremblay ... book. ... Of ... been ... animal ... manifest
                      Message 10 of 26 , Jun 1, 2007
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                        Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                        privately and we'll work out the details.

                        jeff@...

                        --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                        <bethjams9@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                        >
                        > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote: Just for clarification:
                        >
                        > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                        > "anointed") is a combination
                        > word, meaning - annoyed and
                        > anointed.
                        >
                        > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
                        > <jeff@> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > I like it. Maybe...
                        > >
                        > > the fly gets annointed.
                        > >
                        > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                        > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > fly in the ointment
                        > > >
                        > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                        > > in a "dialogue"
                        > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                        > > > suggestions?
                        > > >
                        > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                        tremblay
                        > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Thanks Aideen
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                        > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                        book.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Aideen
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > ---------------------------------
                        > > > >
                        > > > > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                        Of
                        > > Jeff
                        > > > Belyea
                        > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                        > > > > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                        > > > > on many points, and much of
                        > > > > what may seem like differing
                        > > > > points of view are more a
                        > > > > matter of semantics.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > The church (especially) and
                        > > > > most religious traditions have
                        > > > > become a train wreck of the
                        > > > > authentic teacher's original
                        > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                        > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                        > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                        > > > > religious view is the origin
                        > > > > of just about all wars.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                        > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                        > > > > something more like entrapment
                        > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Your philosophy of:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Eat good food
                        > > > > fall in love
                        > > > > raise happy kids
                        > > > > do meaningful work
                        > > > >
                        > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                        > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                        > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                        > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                        > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                        > > > >
                        > > > > I think that there is a large
                        > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                        > > > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                        > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                        > > > > I hope that you continue to
                        > > > > develop that gift (inheritance).
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                        > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                        > > > > use great analogies and very
                        > > > > creative metaphors.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Love, as always,
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Jeff
                        > > > >
                        > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                        > > > > would you?
                        > > > >
                        > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                        > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                        > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                        > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                        > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                        > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                        > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                        > > > > ...awakening.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                        > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                        > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                        > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                        > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                        > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                        > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                        > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                        > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                        > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                        > tremblay
                        > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also
                        > know
                        > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                        > > > expresion
                        > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                        been
                        > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul"
                        > and
                        > > of
                        > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                        > > > important
                        > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                        animal
                        > in
                        > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                        manifest
                        > > and
                        > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                        > Davis
                        > > or
                        > > > a
                        > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                        believe
                        > > the
                        > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass
                        > it's
                        > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                        > > > bit "Willfull"
                        > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                        > problem
                        > > I
                        > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is
                        > all
                        > > > to
                        > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                        > bomb
                        > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                        > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                        same
                        > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                        let
                        > > it
                        > > > be
                        > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did
                        I
                        > by
                        > > > it
                        > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the
                        > > land
                        > > > of
                        > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                        > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on
                        > > board.
                        > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                        But
                        > > what
                        > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                        > sake
                        > > of
                        > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                        > > person
                        > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                        > > enlightenment
                        > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                        > because
                        > > > the
                        > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                        language
                        > > does
                        > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy)
                        So
                        > I
                        > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                        > without
                        > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                        > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one
                        > do
                        > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                        > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                        > > delusional.
                        > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                        > > > > > Eat good food
                        > > > > > fall in love
                        > > > > > raise happy kids
                        > > > > > do meaningfull work
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                        > > > > > Hi Sean -
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                        > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                        > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                        > > > > > communication between two different
                        > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                        > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                        > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                        > > > > > on levels of consciousness).
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > The realization that "everything
                        > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                        > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                        > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                        > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                        > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                        > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                        > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                        > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                        > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                        > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                        > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                        > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                        > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                        > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                        > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                        > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                        > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                        > > > > > eastern traditions)
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                        > > > > > something entirely different.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                        > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                        > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                        > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                        > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                        > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                        > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                        > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                        > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                        > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                        > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                        > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                        > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                        > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                        > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                        > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                        > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                        > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                        > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                        > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                        > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                        > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                        > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                        > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                        > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                        > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                        > > > > > within the context of the whole
                        > > > > > of existence.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Jeff
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                        > > tremblay
                        > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                        > > > > awareness,
                        > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                        > > > > > done".
                        > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                        > > > > > > do!"
                        > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > ---------------------------------
                        > > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                        > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > ---------------------------------
                        > > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                        > > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > ---------------------------------
                        > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
                        > someone
                        > > > who knows.
                        > > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                        > > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > ---------------------------------
                        > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers,
                        not
                        > > web links.
                        > > >
                        > >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > ---------------------------------
                        > Got a little couch potato?
                        > Check out fun summer activities for kids.
                        >
                      • Aideen McKenna
                        When you two are on Oprah discussing your smash about-to-be-a-movie bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a suggestion from some
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                          When you two are on “Oprah” discussing your smash about-to-be-a-movie bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a suggestion from some elderly Canadian lady.

                           


                          From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                          Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                          To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)

                           

                          Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                          privately and we'll work out the details.

                          jeff@mindgoal. com

                          --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                          <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:

                          >
                          > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                          >
                          > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote: Just for clarification:
                          >
                          > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                          > "anointed") is a combination
                          > word, meaning - annoyed and
                          > anointed.
                          >
                          > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com,
                          "Jeff Belyea"
                          > <jeff@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > I like it. Maybe...
                          > >
                          > > the fly gets annointed.
                          > >
                          > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com,
                          sean tremblay
                          > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > fly in the ointment
                          > > >
                          > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                          > > in a "dialogue"
                          > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                          > > > suggestions?
                          > > >
                          > > > --- In
                          href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
                          tremblay
                          > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Thanks Aideen
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                          > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                          book.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Aideen
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                          > > > >
                          > > > > From:
                          href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                          > > > [mailto:
                          href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf
                          Of
                          > > Jeff
                          > > > Belyea
                          > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                          > > > > To:
                          href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                          > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of
                          w:st="on"> America ] The Facts of Life
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                          > > > > on many points, and much of
                          > > > > what may seem like differing
                          > > > > points of view are more a
                          > > > > matter of semantics.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > The church (especially) and
                          > > > > most religious traditions have
                          > > > > become a train wreck of the
                          > > > > authentic teacher's original
                          > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                          > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                          > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                          > > > > religious view is the origin
                          > > > > of just about all wars.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                          > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                          > > > > something more like entrapment
                          > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Your philosophy of:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Eat good food
                          > > > > fall in love
                          > > > > raise happy kids
                          > > > > do meaningful work
                          > > > >
                          > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                          > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                          > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                          > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                          > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                          > > > >
                          > > > > I think that there is a large
                          > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                          > > > > School
                          of Philosophy ". Your writing
                          > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                          > > > > I hope that you continue to
                          > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                          > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                          > > > > use great analogies and very
                          > > > > creative metaphors.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Love, as always,
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Jeff
                          > > > >
                          > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                          > > > > would you?
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                          > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                          > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                          > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                          > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                          > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                          > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                          > > > > ...awakening.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                          > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                          > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                          > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                          > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                          > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                          > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                          > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                          > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                          > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > --- In
                          href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
                          > tremblay
                          > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                          also
                          > know
                          > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                          > > > expresion
                          > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                          been
                          > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                          the "Soul"
                          > and
                          > > of
                          > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the
                          humanities most
                          > > > important
                          > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                          animal
                          > in
                          > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                          manifest
                          > > and
                          > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                          > Davis
                          > > or
                          > > > a
                          > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                          believe
                          > > the
                          > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I
                          sound crass
                          > it's
                          > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                          > > > bit "Willfull"
                          > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                          > problem
                          > > I
                          > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                          is
                          > all
                          > > > to
                          > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality
                          that leads to
                          > bomb
                          > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                          > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I
                          read of the
                          same
                          > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                          let
                          > > it
                          > > > be
                          > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                          did
                          I
                          > by
                          > > > it
                          > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                          the
                          > > land
                          > > > of
                          > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                          are
                          > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                          on
                          > > board.
                          > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                          But
                          > > what
                          > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                          > sake
                          > > of
                          > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                          > > person
                          > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                          > > enlightenment
                          > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                          > because
                          > > > the
                          > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                          language
                          > > does
                          > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                          (Spiritualy)
                          So
                          > I
                          > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                          > without
                          > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                          > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I
                          for one
                          > do
                          > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                          > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                          > > delusional.
                          > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                          > > > > > Eat good food
                          > > > > > fall in love
                          > > > > > raise happy kids
                          > > > > > do meaningfull work
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                          > > > > > Hi Sean -
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                          > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                          > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                          > > > > > communication between two different
                          > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                          > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                          > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                          > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > The realization that "everything
                          > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                          > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                          > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                          > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                          > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                          > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                          > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                          > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                          > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                          > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                          > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                          > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                          > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                          > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                          > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                          > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                          > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                          > > > > > eastern traditions)
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                          > > > > > something entirely different.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                          > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                          > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                          > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                          > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                          > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                          > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                          > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                          > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                          > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                          > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                          > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                          > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                          > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                          > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                          > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                          > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                          > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                          > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                          > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                          > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                          > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                          > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                          > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                          > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                          > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                          > > > > > within the context of the whole
                          > > > > > of existence.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Jeff
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > --- In
                          href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
                          > > tremblay
                          > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will
                          and self
                          > > > > awareness,
                          > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <
                          href="mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com">no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
                          > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ...
                          "Thy will be
                          > > > > > done".
                          > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or
                          can
                          > > > > > > do!"
                          > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                          > > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the
                          forecast
                          > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                          > > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                          > > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                          > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
                          > someone
                          > > > who knows.
                          > > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                          > > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                          > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers,
                          not
                          > > web links.
                          > > >
                          > >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                          > Got a little couch potato?
                          > Check out fun summer activities for kids.
                          >

                        • Jeff Belyea
                          You bet. I like your vision. How about, A suggestion from a visionary Canadian lady . Sean is in Maine (close to Canada), and I m in Florida (close to
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                            You bet. I like your vision.
                            How about, "A suggestion from
                            a visionary Canadian lady".

                            Sean is in Maine (close to Canada),
                            and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise).

                            Thanks,

                            Jeff

                            --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                            <aideenmck@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be-a-
                            movie
                            > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                            suggestion
                            > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > _____
                            >
                            > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                            > [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                            Jeff Belyea
                            > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                            > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                            > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                            > privately and we'll work out the details.
                            >
                            > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff%40mindgoal.com> com
                            >
                            > --- In meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > america@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                            > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                            > >
                            > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                            > >
                            > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                            > > "anointed") is a combination
                            > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                            > > anointed.
                            > >
                            > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > america@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
                            > > <jeff@> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > I like it. Maybe...
                            > > >
                            > > > the fly gets annointed.
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > america@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                            > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > fly in the ointment
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                            > > > in a "dialogue"
                            > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                            > > > > suggestions?
                            > > > >
                            > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > america@yahoogroups.com, sean
                            > tremblay
                            > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                            > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                            > book.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Aideen
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > ---------------------------------
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > america@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > > [mailto:meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > america@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                            > Of
                            > > > Jeff
                            > > > > Belyea
                            > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                            > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > america@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of
                            Life
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                            > > > > > on many points, and much of
                            > > > > > what may seem like differing
                            > > > > > points of view are more a
                            > > > > > matter of semantics.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > The church (especially) and
                            > > > > > most religious traditions have
                            > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                            > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                            > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                            > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                            > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                            > > > > > religious view is the origin
                            > > > > > of just about all wars.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                            > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                            > > > > > something more like entrapment
                            > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Eat good food
                            > > > > > fall in love
                            > > > > > raise happy kids
                            > > > > > do meaningful work
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                            > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                            > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                            > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                            > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > I think that there is a large
                            > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                            > > > > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                            > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                            > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                            > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance).
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                            > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                            > > > > > use great analogies and very
                            > > > > > creative metaphors.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Love, as always,
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Jeff
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                            > > > > > would you?
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                            > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                            > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                            > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                            > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                            > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                            > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                            > > > > > ...awakening.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                            > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                            > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                            > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                            > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                            > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                            > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                            > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                            > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                            > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > america@yahoogroups.com, sean
                            > > tremblay
                            > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                            also
                            > > know
                            > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                            > > > > expresion
                            > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                            > been
                            > > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                            the "Soul"
                            > > and
                            > > > of
                            > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                            > > > > important
                            > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                            > animal
                            > > in
                            > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                            > manifest
                            > > > and
                            > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                            > > Davis
                            > > > or
                            > > > > a
                            > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                            > believe
                            > > > the
                            > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound
                            crass
                            > > it's
                            > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                            > > > > bit "Willfull"
                            > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                            > > problem
                            > > > I
                            > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                            is
                            > > all
                            > > > > to
                            > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                            > > bomb
                            > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                            > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                            > same
                            > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                            > let
                            > > > it
                            > > > > be
                            > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                            did
                            > I
                            > > by
                            > > > > it
                            > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                            the
                            > > > land
                            > > > > of
                            > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                            are
                            > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                            on
                            > > > board.
                            > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                            > But
                            > > > what
                            > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                            > > sake
                            > > > of
                            > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                            > > > person
                            > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                            > > > enlightenment
                            > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                            > > because
                            > > > > the
                            > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                            > language
                            > > > does
                            > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                            (Spiritualy)
                            > So
                            > > I
                            > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                            > > without
                            > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                            > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for
                            one
                            > > do
                            > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                            > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                            > > > delusional.
                            > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                            > > > > > > Eat good food
                            > > > > > > fall in love
                            > > > > > > raise happy kids
                            > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                            > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                            > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                            > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                            > > > > > > communication between two different
                            > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                            > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                            > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                            > > > > > > on levels of consciousness).
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                            > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                            > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                            > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                            > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                            > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                            > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                            > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                            > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                            > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                            > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                            > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                            > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                            > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                            > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                            > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                            > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                            > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                            > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                            > > > > > > something entirely different.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                            > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                            > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                            > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                            > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                            > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                            > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                            > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                            > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                            > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                            > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                            > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                            > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                            > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                            > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                            > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                            > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                            > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                            > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                            > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                            > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                            > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                            > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                            > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                            > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                            > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                            > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                            > > > > > > of existence.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Jeff
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                            > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > america@yahoogroups.com, sean
                            > > > tremblay
                            > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                            > > > > > awareness,
                            > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup
                            > <mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> s.com>
                            > > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
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                            > > > > > > > do!"
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                            > > > > > > >
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                          • Aideen McKenna
                            You re both close to Paradise, in more than one respect. Visionary does have a nicer ring than elderly , for some reason. _____ From:
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                              You’re both close to Paradise , in more than one respect.

                              “Visionary” does have a nicer ring than “elderly”, for some reason.

                               


                              From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                              Sent: June 1, 2007 4:59 PM
                              To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)

                               

                              You bet. I like your vision.
                              How about, "A suggestion from
                              a visionary Canadian lady".

                              Sean is in Maine (close to Canada ),
                              and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise ).

                              Thanks,

                              Jeff

                              --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                              <aideenmck@. ..> wrote:

                              >
                              > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be- a-
                              movie
                              > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                              suggestion
                              > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > _____
                              >
                              > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                              > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com]
                              On Behalf Of
                              Jeff Belyea
                              > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                              > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                              > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                              > privately and we'll work out the details.
                              >
                              > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff% 40mindgoal. com> com
                              >
                              > --- In meditationsocietyof
                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                              > america@yahoogroups .com,
                              sean tremblay
                              > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                              > >
                              > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                              > >
                              > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                              > > "anointed") is a combination
                              > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                              > > anointed.
                              > >
                              > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                              > america@yahoogroups .com,
                              "Jeff Belyea"
                              > > <jeff@> wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > I like it. Maybe...
                              > > >
                              > > > the fly gets annointed.
                              > > >
                              > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                              > america@yahoogroups .com,
                              sean tremblay
                              > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > fly in the ointment
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                              > > > in a "dialogue"
                              > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                              > > > > suggestions?
                              > > > >
                              > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                              > america@yahoogroups .com,
                              sean
                              > tremblay
                              > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                              > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay
                              co-writing a
                              > book.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Aideen
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                              > america@yahoogroups .com
                              > > > > [mailto:meditations ocietyof
                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                              > america@yahoogroups .com]
                              On Behalf
                              > Of
                              > > > Jeff
                              > > > > Belyea
                              > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                              > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                              > america@yahoogroups .com
                              > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of
                              w:st="on"> America ] The Facts of
                              Life
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                              > > > > > on many points, and much of
                              > > > > > what may seem like differing
                              > > > > > points of view are more a
                              > > > > > matter of semantics.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > The church (especially) and
                              > > > > > most religious traditions have
                              > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                              > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                              > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                              > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                              > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                              > > > > > religious view is the origin
                              > > > > > of just about all wars.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                              > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                              > > > > > something more like entrapment
                              > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Eat good food
                              > > > > > fall in love
                              > > > > > raise happy kids
                              > > > > > do meaningful work
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                              > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                              > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                              > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                              > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > I think that there is a large
                              > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                              > > > > > School
                              of Philosophy ". Your writing
                              > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                              > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                              > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                              > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                              > > > > > use great analogies and very
                              > > > > > creative metaphors.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Love, as always,
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Jeff
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                              > > > > > would you?
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                              > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                              > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                              > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                              > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                              > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                              > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                              > > > > > ...awakening.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                              > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                              > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                              > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                              > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                              > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                              > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                              > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                              > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                              > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                              > america@yahoogroups .com,
                              sean
                              > > tremblay
                              > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your
                              saying, I
                              also
                              > > know
                              > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without
                              seeing
                              > > > > expresion
                              > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I
                              have
                              > been
                              > > > > > trying to articulate that the
                              "Individuality" and
                              the "Soul"
                              > > and
                              > > > of
                              > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the
                              humanities most
                              > > > > important
                              > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the
                              only
                              > animal
                              > > in
                              > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                              > manifest
                              > > > and
                              > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or
                              Miles
                              > > Davis
                              > > > or
                              > > > > a
                              > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what
                              I
                              > believe
                              > > > the
                              > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at
                              time I sound
                              crass
                              > > it's
                              > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                              > > > > bit "Willfull"
                              > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy.
                              The
                              > > problem
                              > > > I
                              > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the
                              statement
                              is
                              > > all
                              > > > > to
                              > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala"
                              mentality that leads to
                              > > bomb
                              > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                              > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told
                              when I read of the
                              > same
                              > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole
                              karma
                              > let
                              > > > it
                              > > > > be
                              > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either
                              nor
                              did
                              > I
                              > > by
                              > > > > it
                              > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth
                              into
                              the
                              > > > land
                              > > > > of
                              > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If
                              you
                              are
                              > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose
                              I'm
                              on
                              > > > board.
                              > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone
                              elses.
                              > But
                              > > > what
                              > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will
                              for the
                              > > sake
                              > > > of
                              > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and
                              that
                              > > > person
                              > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                              > > > enlightenment
                              > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and
                              just
                              > > because
                              > > > > the
                              > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                              > language
                              > > > does
                              > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                              (Spiritualy)
                              > So
                              > > I
                              > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that
                              freedom
                              > > without
                              > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                              > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And
                              I for
                              one
                              > > do
                              > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the
                              term
                              > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                              > > > delusional.
                              > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                              > > > > > > Eat good food
                              > > > > > > fall in love
                              > > > > > > raise happy kids
                              > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                              > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                              > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                              > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                              > > > > > > communication between two different
                              > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                              > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                              > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                              > > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                              > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                              > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                              > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                              > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                              > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                              > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                              > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                              > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                              > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                              > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                              > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                              > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                              > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                              > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                              > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                              > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                              > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                              > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                              > > > > > > something entirely different.
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                              > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                              > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                              > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                              > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                              > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                              > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                              > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                              > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                              > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                              > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                              > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                              > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                              > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                              > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                              > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                              > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                              > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                              > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                              > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                              > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                              > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                              > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                              > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                              > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                              > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                              > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                              > > > > > > of existence.
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Jeff
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                              > america@yahoogroups .com,
                              sean
                              > > > tremblay
                              > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free
                              will and self
                              > > > > > awareness,
                              > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogrou p
                              > <mailto:no_reply% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com>
                              > > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ...
                              "Thy will be
                              > > > > > > done".
                              > > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do
                              ... or can
                              > > > > > > > do!"
                              > > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > >
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                              > > > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the
                              forecast
                              > > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
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                              > > > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo!
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                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                              > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers
                              from
                              > > someone
                              > > > > who knows.
                              > > > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                              > > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives
                              answers,
                              > not
                              > > > web links.
                              > > > >
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                              > >
                              > >
                              > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
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                              > > Check out fun summer activities for kids.
                              > >
                              >

                            • sean tremblay
                              I am from Maine but I currently reside in Williamsburg Virginia, I consider myself an expatriot and on government forms I check the other block and write in
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                                I am from Maine but I currently reside in Williamsburg Virginia,  I consider myself an expatriot and on government forms I check the "other" block and write in Mainer as my nationality and country of origin.

                                Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@...> wrote:
                                You’re both close to Paradise , in more than one respect.
                                “Visionary” does have a nicer ring than “elderly”, for some reason.

                                From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                                Sent: June 1, 2007 4:59 PM
                                To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                You bet. I like your vision.
                                How about, "A suggestion from
                                a visionary Canadian lady".

                                Sean is in Maine (close to Canada ),
                                and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise ).

                                Thanks,

                                Jeff

                                --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                                <aideenmck@. ..> wrote:
                                >
                                > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be- a-
                                movie
                                > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                                suggestion
                                > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > _____
                                >
                                > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of
                                Jeff Belyea
                                > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                                > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                                > privately and we'll work out the details.
                                >
                                > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff% 40mindgoal. com> com
                                >
                                > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                                > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                                > >
                                > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                                > >
                                > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                                > > "anointed") is a combination
                                > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                                > > anointed.
                                > >
                                > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                > america@yahoogroups .com, "Jeff Belyea"
                                > > <jeff@> wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > I like it. Maybe...
                                > > >
                                > > > the fly gets annointed.
                                > > >
                                > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                                > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > fly in the ointment
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                                > > > in a "dialogue"
                                > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                                > > > > suggestions?
                                > > > >
                                > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                > tremblay
                                > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                                > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                                > book.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Aideen
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                > america@yahoogroups .com
                                > > > > [mailto:meditations ocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                > america@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
                                > Of
                                > > > Jeff
                                > > > > Belyea
                                > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                                > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                > america@yahoogroups .com
                                > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] The Facts of
                                Life
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                                > > > > > on many points, and much of
                                > > > > > what may seem like differing
                                > > > > > points of view are more a
                                > > > > > matter of semantics.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > The church (especially) and
                                > > > > > most religious traditions have
                                > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                                > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                                > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                                > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                                > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                                > > > > > religious view is the origin
                                > > > > > of just about all wars.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                                > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                                > > > > > something more like entrapment
                                > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Eat good food
                                > > > > > fall in love
                                > > > > > raise happy kids
                                > > > > > do meaningful work
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                                > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                                > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                                > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                                > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > I think that there is a large
                                > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                                > > > > > School of Philosophy ". Your writing
                                > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                                > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                                > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                                > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                                > > > > > use great analogies and very
                                > > > > > creative metaphors.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Love, as always,
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Jeff
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                                > > > > > would you?
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                                > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                                > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                                > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                                > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                                > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                                > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                                > > > > > ...awakening.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                                > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                                > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                                > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                                > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                                > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                                > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                                > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                                > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                                > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                > > tremblay
                                > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                                also
                                > > know
                                > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                                > > > > expresion
                                > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                                > been
                                > > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                                the "Soul"
                                > > and
                                > > > of
                                > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                                > > > > important
                                > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                                > animal
                                > > in
                                > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                                > manifest
                                > > > and
                                > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                                > > Davis
                                > > > or
                                > > > > a
                                > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                                > believe
                                > > > the
                                > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound
                                crass
                                > > it's
                                > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                                > > > > bit "Willfull"
                                > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                                > > problem
                                > > > I
                                > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                                is
                                > > all
                                > > > > to
                                > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                                > > bomb
                                > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                                > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                                > same
                                > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                                > let
                                > > > it
                                > > > > be
                                > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                                did
                                > I
                                > > by
                                > > > > it
                                > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                                the
                                > > > land
                                > > > > of
                                > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                                are
                                > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                                on
                                > > > board.
                                > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                                > But
                                > > > what
                                > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                                > > sake
                                > > > of
                                > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                                > > > person
                                > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                                > > > enlightenment
                                > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                                > > because
                                > > > > the
                                > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                                > language
                                > > > does
                                > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                                (Spiritualy)
                                > So
                                > > I
                                > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                                > > without
                                > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                                > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for
                                one
                                > > do
                                > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                                > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                                > > > delusional.
                                > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                                > > > > > > Eat good food
                                > > > > > > fall in love
                                > > > > > > raise happy kids
                                > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                                > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                                > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                                > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                                > > > > > > communication between two different
                                > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                                > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                                > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                                > > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                                > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                                > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                                > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                                > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                                > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                                > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                                > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                                > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                                > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                                > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                                > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                                > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                                > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                                > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                                > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                                > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                                > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                                > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                                > > > > > > something entirely different.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                                > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                                > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                                > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                                > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                                > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                                > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                                > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                                > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                                > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                                > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                                > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                                > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                                > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                                > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                                > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                                > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                                > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                                > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                                > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                                > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                                > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                                > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                                > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                                > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                                > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                                > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                                > > > > > > of existence.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Jeff
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                > > > tremblay
                                > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                                > > > > > awareness,
                                > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogrou p
                                > <mailto:no_reply% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com>
                                > > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                                > > > > > > done".
                                > > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                                > > > > > > > do!"
                                > > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                > > > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                                > > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                > > > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                                > > > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
                                > > someone
                                > > > > who knows.
                                > > > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                > > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers,
                                > not
                                > > > web links.
                                > > > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                > > Got a little couch potato?
                                > > Check out fun summer activities for kids.
                                > >
                                >


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                              • Aideen McKenna
                                I m originally from Montreal, Quebec, where the name Tremblay was, for many years, the one that filled the most columns in the phone directory. I ve now
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                                  I’m originally from Montreal , Quebec , where the name “Tremblay” was, for many years, the one that filled the most columns in the phone directory.

                                  I’ve now lived on the west coast for more years than I was in Quebec , & I docilely fill in “Canadian”.  However … Quebec sometimes rather ferociously tries to separate & I can’t help but wish them well.  I’ll always feel homesick for the place.

                                   


                                  From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of sean tremblay
                                  Sent: June 1, 2007 7:09 PM
                                  To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: RE: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)

                                   

                                  I am from Maine but I currently reside in Williamsburg Virginia ,  I consider myself an expatriot and on government forms I check the "other" block and write in Mainer as my nationality and country of origin.

                                  Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@telus. net> wrote:

                                  You’re both close to Paradise , in more than one respect.

                                  “Visionary” does have a nicer ring than “elderly”, for some reason.


                                  From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                                  Sent: June 1, 2007 4:59 PM
                                  To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                  Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)

                                  You bet. I like your vision.
                                  How about, "A suggestion from
                                  a visionary Canadian lady".

                                  Sean is in Maine (close to Canada ),
                                  and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise ).

                                  Thanks,

                                  Jeff

                                  --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                                  <aideenmck@. ..> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be- a-
                                  movie
                                  > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                                  suggestion
                                  > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > _____
                                  >
                                  > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                  > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of
                                  Jeff Belyea
                                  > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                                  > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                  > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                                  > privately and we'll work out the details.
                                  >
                                  > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff% 40mindgoal. com> com
                                  >
                                  > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                  > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                  > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                                  > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                                  > >
                                  > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                                  > >
                                  > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                                  > > "anointed") is a combination
                                  > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                                  > > anointed.
                                  > >
                                  > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                  > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                  > america@yahoogroups .com, "Jeff Belyea"
                                  > > <jeff@> wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > I like it. Maybe...
                                  > > >
                                  > > > the fly gets annointed.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                  > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                  > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                                  > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > fly in the ointment
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                                  > > > in a "dialogue"
                                  > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                                  > > > > suggestions?
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                  > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                  > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                  > tremblay
                                  > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                                  > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                                  > book.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Aideen
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                                  > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                  > america@yahoogroups .com
                                  > > > > [mailto:meditations ocietyof
                                  > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                  > america@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
                                  > Of
                                  > > > Jeff
                                  > > > > Belyea
                                  > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                                  > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                                  > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                  > america@yahoogroups .com
                                  > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] The Facts of
                                  Life
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                                  > > > > > on many points, and much of
                                  > > > > > what may seem like differing
                                  > > > > > points of view are more a
                                  > > > > > matter of semantics.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > The church (especially) and
                                  > > > > > most religious traditions have
                                  > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                                  > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                                  > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                                  > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                                  > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                                  > > > > > religious view is the origin
                                  > > > > > of just about all wars.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                                  > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                                  > > > > > something more like entrapment
                                  > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Eat good food
                                  > > > > > fall in love
                                  > > > > > raise happy kids
                                  > > > > > do meaningful work
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                                  > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                                  > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                                  > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                                  > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > I think that there is a large
                                  > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                                  > > > > > School of Philosophy ". Your writing
                                  > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                                  > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                                  > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                                  > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                                  > > > > > use great analogies and very
                                  > > > > > creative metaphors.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Love, as always,
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Jeff
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                                  > > > > > would you?
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                                  > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                                  > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                                  > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                                  > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                                  > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                                  > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                                  > > > > > ...awakening.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                                  > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                                  > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                                  > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                                  > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                                  > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                                  > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                                  > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                                  > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                                  > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                  > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                  > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                  > > tremblay
                                  > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                                  also
                                  > > know
                                  > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                                  > > > > expresion
                                  > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                                  > been
                                  > > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                                  the "Soul"
                                  > > and
                                  > > > of
                                  > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                                  > > > > important
                                  > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                                  > animal
                                  > > in
                                  > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                                  > manifest
                                  > > > and
                                  > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                                  > > Davis
                                  > > > or
                                  > > > > a
                                  > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                                  > believe
                                  > > > the
                                  > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound
                                  crass
                                  > > it's
                                  > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                                  > > > > bit "Willfull"
                                  > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                                  > > problem
                                  > > > I
                                  > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                                  is
                                  > > all
                                  > > > > to
                                  > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                                  > > bomb
                                  > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                                  > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                                  > same
                                  > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                                  > let
                                  > > > it
                                  > > > > be
                                  > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                                  did
                                  > I
                                  > > by
                                  > > > > it
                                  > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                                  the
                                  > > > land
                                  > > > > of
                                  > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                                  are
                                  > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                                  on
                                  > > > board.
                                  > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                                  > But
                                  > > > what
                                  > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                                  > > sake
                                  > > > of
                                  > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                                  > > > person
                                  > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                                  > > > enlightenment
                                  > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                                  > > because
                                  > > > > the
                                  > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                                  > language
                                  > > > does
                                  > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                                  (Spiritualy)
                                  > So
                                  > > I
                                  > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                                  > > without
                                  > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                                  > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for
                                  one
                                  > > do
                                  > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                                  > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                                  > > > delusional.
                                  > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                                  > > > > > > Eat good food
                                  > > > > > > fall in love
                                  > > > > > > raise happy kids
                                  > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                                  > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                                  > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                                  > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                                  > > > > > > communication between two different
                                  > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                                  > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                                  > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                                  > > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                                  > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                                  > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                                  > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                                  > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                                  > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                                  > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                                  > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                                  > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                                  > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                                  > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                                  > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                                  > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                                  > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                                  > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                                  > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                                  > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                                  > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                                  > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                                  > > > > > > something entirely different.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                                  > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                                  > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                                  > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                                  > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                                  > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                                  > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                                  > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                                  > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                                  > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                                  > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                                  > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                                  > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                                  > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                                  > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                                  > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                                  > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                                  > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                                  > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                                  > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                                  > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                                  > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                                  > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                                  > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                                  > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                                  > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                                  > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                                  > > > > > > of existence.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Jeff
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                  > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                  > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                  > > > tremblay
                                  > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                                  > > > > > awareness,
                                  > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogrou p
                                  > <mailto:no_reply% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com>
                                  > > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                                  > > > > > > done".
                                  > > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                                  > > > > > > > do!"
                                  > > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                  > > > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                                  > > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                  > > > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                                  > > > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                  > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
                                  > > someone
                                  > > > > who knows.
                                  > > > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                  > > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers,
                                  > not
                                  > > > web links.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                  > > Got a little couch potato?
                                  > > Check out fun summer activities for kids.
                                  > >
                                  >

                                   

                                   


                                  Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.

                                • sean tremblay
                                  My Grandfather Rene augustas Tremblay came from Quebec city and settled in Cape Elizebeth Maine in the late 30 s. According to family legend all Tremblay s
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                                    My Grandfather Rene augustas Tremblay came from Quebec city and settled in Cape Elizebeth Maine in the late 30's.  According to family legend all Tremblay's decend from one Peirre Tremblay, who apperently was a very busy man when he arrived in Canada in the late 1600's.

                                    Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@...> wrote:
                                    I’m originally from Montreal , Quebec , where the name “Tremblay” was, for many years, the one that filled the most columns in the phone directory.
                                    I’ve now lived on the west coast for more years than I was in Quebec , & I docilely fill in “Canadian”.  However … Quebec sometimes rather ferociously tries to separate & I can’t help but wish them well.  I’ll always feel homesick for the place.

                                    From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of sean tremblay
                                    Sent: June 1, 2007 7:09 PM
                                    To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                    Subject: RE: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                    I am from Maine but I currently reside in Williamsburg Virginia ,  I consider myself an expatriot and on government forms I check the "other" block and write in Mainer as my nationality and country of origin.

                                    Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@telus. net> wrote:
                                    You’re both close to Paradise , in more than one respect.
                                    “Visionary” does have a nicer ring than “elderly”, for some reason.

                                    From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                                    Sent: June 1, 2007 4:59 PM
                                    To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                    Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                    You bet. I like your vision.
                                    How about, "A suggestion from
                                    a visionary Canadian lady".

                                    Sean is in Maine (close to Canada ),
                                    and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise ).

                                    Thanks,

                                    Jeff

                                    --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                                    <aideenmck@. ..> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be- a-
                                    movie
                                    > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                                    suggestion
                                    > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > _____
                                    >
                                    > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                    > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of
                                    Jeff Belyea
                                    > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                                    > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                    > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                                    > privately and we'll work out the details.
                                    >
                                    > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff% 40mindgoal. com> com
                                    >
                                    > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                    > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                    > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                                    > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                                    > >
                                    > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                                    > >
                                    > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                                    > > "anointed") is a combination
                                    > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                                    > > anointed.
                                    > >
                                    > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                    > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                    > america@yahoogroups .com, "Jeff Belyea"
                                    > > <jeff@> wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I like it. Maybe...
                                    > > >
                                    > > > the fly gets annointed.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                    > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                    > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                                    > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > fly in the ointment
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                                    > > > in a "dialogue"
                                    > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                                    > > > > suggestions?
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                    > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                    > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                    > tremblay
                                    > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                                    > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                                    > book.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Aideen
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                                    > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                    > america@yahoogroups .com
                                    > > > > [mailto:meditations ocietyof
                                    > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                    > america@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
                                    > Of
                                    > > > Jeff
                                    > > > > Belyea
                                    > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                                    > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                                    > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                    > america@yahoogroups .com
                                    > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] The Facts of
                                    Life
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                                    > > > > > on many points, and much of
                                    > > > > > what may seem like differing
                                    > > > > > points of view are more a
                                    > > > > > matter of semantics.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > The church (especially) and
                                    > > > > > most religious traditions have
                                    > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                                    > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                                    > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                                    > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                                    > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                                    > > > > > religious view is the origin
                                    > > > > > of just about all wars.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                                    > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                                    > > > > > something more like entrapment
                                    > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Eat good food
                                    > > > > > fall in love
                                    > > > > > raise happy kids
                                    > > > > > do meaningful work
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                                    > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                                    > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                                    > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                                    > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > I think that there is a large
                                    > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                                    > > > > > School of Philosophy ". Your writing
                                    > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                                    > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                                    > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                                    > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                                    > > > > > use great analogies and very
                                    > > > > > creative metaphors.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Love, as always,
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Jeff
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                                    > > > > > would you?
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                                    > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                                    > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                                    > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                                    > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                                    > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                                    > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                                    > > > > > ...awakening.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                                    > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                                    > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                                    > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                                    > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                                    > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                                    > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                                    > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                                    > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                                    > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                    > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                    > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                    > > tremblay
                                    > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                                    also
                                    > > know
                                    > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                                    > > > > expresion
                                    > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                                    > been
                                    > > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                                    the "Soul"
                                    > > and
                                    > > > of
                                    > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                                    > > > > important
                                    > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                                    > animal
                                    > > in
                                    > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                                    > manifest
                                    > > > and
                                    > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                                    > > Davis
                                    > > > or
                                    > > > > a
                                    > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                                    > believe
                                    > > > the
                                    > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound
                                    crass
                                    > > it's
                                    > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                                    > > > > bit "Willfull"
                                    > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                                    > > problem
                                    > > > I
                                    > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                                    is
                                    > > all
                                    > > > > to
                                    > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                                    > > bomb
                                    > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                                    > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                                    > same
                                    > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                                    > let
                                    > > > it
                                    > > > > be
                                    > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                                    did
                                    > I
                                    > > by
                                    > > > > it
                                    > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                                    the
                                    > > > land
                                    > > > > of
                                    > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                                    are
                                    > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                                    on
                                    > > > board.
                                    > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                                    > But
                                    > > > what
                                    > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                                    > > sake
                                    > > > of
                                    > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                                    > > > person
                                    > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                                    > > > enlightenment
                                    > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                                    > > because
                                    > > > > the
                                    > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                                    > language
                                    > > > does
                                    > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                                    (Spiritualy)
                                    > So
                                    > > I
                                    > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                                    > > without
                                    > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                                    > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for
                                    one
                                    > > do
                                    > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                                    > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                                    > > > delusional.
                                    > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                                    > > > > > > Eat good food
                                    > > > > > > fall in love
                                    > > > > > > raise happy kids
                                    > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                                    > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                                    > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                                    > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                                    > > > > > > communication between two different
                                    > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                                    > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                                    > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                                    > > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                                    > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                                    > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                                    > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                                    > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                                    > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                                    > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                                    > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                                    > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                                    > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                                    > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                                    > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                                    > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                                    > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                                    > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                                    > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                                    > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                                    > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                                    > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                                    > > > > > > something entirely different.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                                    > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                                    > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                                    > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                                    > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                                    > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                                    > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                                    > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                                    > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                                    > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                                    > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                                    > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                                    > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                                    > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                                    > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                                    > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                                    > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                                    > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                                    > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                                    > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                                    > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                                    > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                                    > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                                    > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                                    > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                                    > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                                    > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                                    > > > > > > of existence.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > Jeff
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                    > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                    > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                    > > > tremblay
                                    > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                                    > > > > > awareness,
                                    > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogrou p
                                    > <mailto:no_reply% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com>
                                    > > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                                    > > > > > > done".
                                    > > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                                    > > > > > > > do!"
                                    > > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > >
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                                    > > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
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                                  • medit8ionsociety
                                    T The Facts of Life Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will
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                                      T

                                      The Facts of Life

                                       

                                      Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will all of your thoughts. It will happen to everyone and everything. It is literally sense-less to focus your attention on these temporary things.

                                       

                                      Meditate and witness the ever-present and unending. Now, and happily ever-after.

                                       

                                      Kir Li Molari

                                       

                                    • dan330033
                                      Ends now. Dissolves now. So die now. And be ... ... T The Facts of Life Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your
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                                        Ends now.  Dissolves now.

                                        So die now.

                                        And be ...


                                        ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

                                        T

                                        The Facts of Life

                                         

                                        Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will all of your thoughts. It will happen to everyone and everything. It is literally sense-less to focus your attention on these temporary things.

                                         

                                        Meditate and witness the ever-present and unending. Now, and happily ever-after.

                                         

                                        Kir Li Molari

                                         

                                      • medit8ionsociety
                                        Thanks Sri Danji! Bringing light into the present...What a present! ... Ends now. Dissolves now. So die now. And be ... ... T The Facts of Life Your vision,
                                        Message 19 of 26 , Apr 16, 2014
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                                          Thanks Sri Danji! Bringing light into the present...What a present!


                                          ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <dan330033@...> wrote :

                                          Ends now.  Dissolves now.

                                          So die now.

                                          And be ...


                                          ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

                                          T

                                          The Facts of Life

                                           

                                          Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will all of your thoughts. It will happen to everyone and everything. It is literally sense-less to focus your attention on these temporary things.

                                           

                                          Meditate and witness the ever-present and unending. Now, and happily ever-after.

                                           

                                          Kir Li Molari

                                           

                                        • dan330033
                                          Yes! This present involves no time. So, it includes everything we conventionally call past and future. The doesn t mean I know everything that ever
                                          Message 20 of 26 , Apr 18, 2014
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                                            Yes!

                                            This present involves no time.

                                            So, it includes everything we conventionally call "past" and "future."

                                            The doesn't mean I know everything that ever happened or will happen.

                                            It means that I don't know anything, and don't need to.

                                            :-)


                                            Swami Satchitananda would approve, as this not-knowing-anything doesn't seem to be harming my health - at least what's left of it ...  :-)



                                            ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

                                            Thanks Sri Danji! Bringing light into the present...What a present!


                                            ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <dan330033@...> wrote :

                                            Ends now.  Dissolves now.

                                            So die now.

                                            And be ...


                                            ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

                                            T

                                            The Facts of Life

                                             

                                            Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will all of your thoughts. It will happen to everyone and everything. It is literally sense-less to focus your attention on these temporary things.

                                             

                                            Meditate and witness the ever-present and unending. Now, and happily ever-after.

                                             

                                            Kir Li Molari

                                             

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