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  • sean tremblay
    Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know it s hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing expresion or hearing inflection in
    Message 1 of 26 , May 29 8:45 PM
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      Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing expresion or hearing inflection in the voice.  I would say as I have been trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most important gifts and that is the gift of creation.  We are the only animal in the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or a kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a bit "Willfull" and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy.  The problem I have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all to reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb belts and kid nappings and so on and so forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it be trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by it from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land of canaan and murder!  That of course is the extreme,  If you are talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board. as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.  But what realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person may find himself in a state of bliss.  But this is not enlightenment this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because the pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without will is a contradiction in terms! Try baking a cake or writing a poem without will,  And I for one do not belive one can fuly awaken without it.  I avoid the term Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.  Good luck on your quest.
      Eat good food
      fall in love
      raise happy kids
      do meaningfull work

      Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
      Hi Sean -

      Yours is a reasonable response...
      and it speaks to the difficulty -
      or rather the impossibility of precise
      communication between two different
      levels of consciousness. (If you're
      interested, David Hawkins' book
      "Power vs Force" details his take
      on levels of consciousness) .

      The realization that "everything
      works under one law" does not negate
      free will, it elevates it. We can
      still choose between a cheeseburger
      and baked scallops, and exercise
      free will on the mundane level -
      the trance level, or the level
      that we've been social coerced
      to accept as "all there is".

      But when nondual realization (by
      any other name - enlightenment) breaks
      through, the personal ego gives way
      to the notion that the reasonsable
      and rational "self awareness" is...
      all there is to being alive.

      (Here's where precision of language
      begins to be impossible) Instead,
      personal self awareness is seen
      as a secondary or superficial awareness,
      (even called illusory in most
      eastern traditions)

      Enlightened Self Awareness is
      something entirely different.

      Self Awareness (caps intentional)
      shifts our perspective from being
      an isolated and independent "thinker",
      to a oneness or wholeness in which
      we now know that we are an "aspect"
      of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
      eternal, field of consciousness.

      The personal ego necessarily
      goes through the agony of complete
      collapse - giving way to the new
      realization that...hang on to your
      hat...there is a power greater
      than we are as individuals. And
      this "power" is beyond anything
      we formerly thought or imagined,
      different from personal ego..yet
      we are still a fully functional "part"
      of this whole unified field.

      This realization brings incredible
      joy and freedom - and enhanced
      free will, without the "should I or
      shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
      trusts completely in what "Is".
      And that translates to a completely
      free life, freedom from fear and
      doubt, and trust in one's own
      judgment (free will), because it is
      known that the choices are "guided"
      within the context of the whole
      of existence.

      Jeff

      --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
      <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:
      >
      > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self awareness,
      those are two qualities we posess for a reason
      >
      > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
      wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
      done".
      > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
      > do!"
      > Kir Li Molari
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > ------------ --------- --------- ---
      > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
      > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
      >



      Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
      Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.

    • Jeff Belyea
      Thanks, Sean. First, we agree on many points, and much of what may seem like differing points of view are more a matter of semantics. The church (especially)
      Message 2 of 26 , May 30 6:03 AM
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        Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
        on many points, and much of
        what may seem like differing
        points of view are more a
        matter of semantics.

        The church (especially) and
        most religious traditions have
        become a train wreck of the
        authentic teacher's original
        teachings. Here, we absolutely
        agree. There's no fun in
        fundamentalism. The fanatic
        religious view is the origin
        of just about all wars.

        Yes, too bad that the term
        "Enlightenment" has fallen into
        something more like entrapment
        in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".

        Your philosophy of:

        Eat good food
        fall in love
        raise happy kids
        do meaningful work

        is simply beautiful. There's
        an old Zen saying that goes
        something like, "Before awakening,
        chop wood, carry water. After
        awakening, chop wood, carry water."

        I think that there is a large
        audience for your "Scraped Knee
        School of Philosophy". Your writing
        style is unique and very appealing.
        I hope that you continue to
        develop that gift (inheritance).

        Do you keep a journal or write
        often? Considering a book? You
        use great analogies and very
        creative metaphors.

        Love, as always,

        Jeff

        PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:

        1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
        would you?

        2. A suggested perspective:

        Think of the battles in the gita
        and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
        of the old testament or the tight-ass
        writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
        rather than physical battles - in terms
        of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
        the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
        ...awakening.

        3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
        I went through the door. One of the great
        failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
        is that they leave the seeker outside
        the door of awakening - leaving them
        frustrated or waiting for their "reward
        in heaven" - after they die. What
        unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
        bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
        before I pull out my soapbox.


        --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
        <bethjams9@...> wrote:
        >
        > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
        it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing expresion
        or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
        trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
        course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most important
        gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
        the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
        conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or a
        kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
        bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
        probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a bit "Willfull"
        and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
        have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all to
        reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
        belts and kid nappings and so on and so
        > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
        sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it be
        trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by it
        from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land of
        canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
        talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
        as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
        realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
        enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
        may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
        this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because the
        pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
        not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
        disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
        will is a contradiction in terms! Try
        > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
        not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
        Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
        Good luck on your quest.
        > Eat good food
        > fall in love
        > raise happy kids
        > do meaningfull work
        >
        > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
        > Hi Sean -
        >
        > Yours is a reasonable response...
        > and it speaks to the difficulty -
        > or rather the impossibility of precise
        > communication between two different
        > levels of consciousness. (If you're
        > interested, David Hawkins' book
        > "Power vs Force" details his take
        > on levels of consciousness).
        >
        > The realization that "everything
        > works under one law" does not negate
        > free will, it elevates it. We can
        > still choose between a cheeseburger
        > and baked scallops, and exercise
        > free will on the mundane level -
        > the trance level, or the level
        > that we've been social coerced
        > to accept as "all there is".
        >
        > But when nondual realization (by
        > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
        > through, the personal ego gives way
        > to the notion that the reasonsable
        > and rational "self awareness" is...
        > all there is to being alive.
        >
        > (Here's where precision of language
        > begins to be impossible) Instead,
        > personal self awareness is seen
        > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
        > (even called illusory in most
        > eastern traditions)
        >
        > Enlightened Self Awareness is
        > something entirely different.
        >
        > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
        > shifts our perspective from being
        > an isolated and independent "thinker",
        > to a oneness or wholeness in which
        > we now know that we are an "aspect"
        > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
        > eternal, field of consciousness.
        >
        > The personal ego necessarily
        > goes through the agony of complete
        > collapse - giving way to the new
        > realization that...hang on to your
        > hat...there is a power greater
        > than we are as individuals. And
        > this "power" is beyond anything
        > we formerly thought or imagined,
        > different from personal ego..yet
        > we are still a fully functional "part"
        > of this whole unified field.
        >
        > This realization brings incredible
        > joy and freedom - and enhanced
        > free will, without the "should I or
        > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
        > trusts completely in what "Is".
        > And that translates to a completely
        > free life, freedom from fear and
        > doubt, and trust in one's own
        > judgment (free will), because it is
        > known that the choices are "guided"
        > within the context of the whole
        > of existence.
        >
        > Jeff
        >
        > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
        > <bethjams9@> wrote:
        > >
        > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
        awareness,
        > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
        > >
        > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
        > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
        > done".
        > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
        > > do!"
        > > Kir Li Molari
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > ---------------------------------
        > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
        > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
        > >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > ---------------------------------
        > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
        > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
        >
      • sean tremblay
        Jeff as a matter of fact I am writing. I ve been working on three different pieces, one I started while I was offshore as a way to keeping connected with my
        Message 3 of 26 , May 30 8:47 AM
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          Jeff as a matter of fact I am writing.  I've been working on three different pieces, one I started while I was offshore as a way to keeping connected with my kids, I would e-mail them a chapter every night as bed time stories.  I also have a horror story for lack of a better term it's a way of exercising demons and creating an exiting story in the process, certain characters are formed by aspects of my own psyche. I am also working on something more personal but that will take a while,  It's intimidating to lay yourself bare for all to read but it's something I admired in guy's like Brakowski.  The biggest huddle is being satisfied enough with a piece to submit.  We can be are own worse critics (but when I see allot of junk being published I suppose I can pull it off).
          Burritos
          Shrimp
          roasted potato's
          cilantro
          chopped peppers, Scotch bonnet, jalapeno etc.
          red onion
          balsamic, just a splash
          Spanish chili powder
          garlic
          Goya brand ranchero sauce
          In a skillet saute shrimp, peppers, and onion in olive oil add garlic and roast potatoes, splash with balsamic(or white wine) add chili powder to taste (if it looks good it tastes good) roll in large burrito add large amounts of whole leaf cilantro and cheese
          cover rolled burrito in a small stream of ranchero top with more cheese and bake at 350, buy time your ready to crack your second dos equis the burritos will be done.
          Congratulations on your awakening
          Please don't tell me the ending
          I'm still watching the movie 


          Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
          Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
          on many points, and much of
          what may seem like differing
          points of view are more a
          matter of semantics.

          The church (especially) and
          most religious traditions have
          become a train wreck of the
          authentic teacher's original
          teachings. Here, we absolutely
          agree. There's no fun in
          fundamentalism. The fanatic
          religious view is the origin
          of just about all wars.

          Yes, too bad that the term
          "Enlightenment" has fallen into
          something more like entrapment
          in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".

          Your philosophy of:

          Eat good food
          fall in love
          raise happy kids
          do meaningful work

          is simply beautiful. There's
          an old Zen saying that goes
          something like, "Before awakening,
          chop wood, carry water. After
          awakening, chop wood, carry water."

          I think that there is a large
          audience for your "Scraped Knee
          School of Philosophy". Your writing
          style is unique and very appealing.
          I hope that you continue to
          develop that gift (inheritance) .

          Do you keep a journal or write
          often? Considering a book? You
          use great analogies and very
          creative metaphors.

          Love, as always,

          Jeff

          PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:

          1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
          would you?

          2. A suggested perspective:

          Think of the battles in the gita
          and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
          of the old testament or the tight-ass
          writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
          rather than physical battles - in terms
          of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
          the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
          ...awakening.

          3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
          I went through the door. One of the great
          failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
          is that they leave the seeker outside
          the door of awakening - leaving them
          frustrated or waiting for their "reward
          in heaven" - after they die. What
          unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
          bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
          before I pull out my soapbox.

          --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
          <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:
          >
          > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
          it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing expresion
          or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
          trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
          course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most important
          gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
          the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
          conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or a
          kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
          bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
          probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a bit "Willfull"
          and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
          have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all to
          reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
          belts and kid nappings and so on and so
          > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
          sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it be
          trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by it
          from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land of
          canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
          talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
          as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
          realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
          enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
          may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
          this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because the
          pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
          not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
          disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
          will is a contradiction in terms! Try
          > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
          not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
          Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
          Good luck on your quest.
          > Eat good food
          > fall in love
          > raise happy kids
          > do meaningfull work
          >
          > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
          > Hi Sean -
          >
          > Yours is a reasonable response...
          > and it speaks to the difficulty -
          > or rather the impossibility of precise
          > communication between two different
          > levels of consciousness. (If you're
          > interested, David Hawkins' book
          > "Power vs Force" details his take
          > on levels of consciousness) .
          >
          > The realization that "everything
          > works under one law" does not negate
          > free will, it elevates it. We can
          > still choose between a cheeseburger
          > and baked scallops, and exercise
          > free will on the mundane level -
          > the trance level, or the level
          > that we've been social coerced
          > to accept as "all there is".
          >
          > But when nondual realization (by
          > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
          > through, the personal ego gives way
          > to the notion that the reasonsable
          > and rational "self awareness" is...
          > all there is to being alive.
          >
          > (Here's where precision of language
          > begins to be impossible) Instead,
          > personal self awareness is seen
          > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
          > (even called illusory in most
          > eastern traditions)
          >
          > Enlightened Self Awareness is
          > something entirely different.
          >
          > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
          > shifts our perspective from being
          > an isolated and independent "thinker",
          > to a oneness or wholeness in which
          > we now know that we are an "aspect"
          > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
          > eternal, field of consciousness.
          >
          > The personal ego necessarily
          > goes through the agony of complete
          > collapse - giving way to the new
          > realization that...hang on to your
          > hat...there is a power greater
          > than we are as individuals. And
          > this "power" is beyond anything
          > we formerly thought or imagined,
          > different from personal ego..yet
          > we are still a fully functional "part"
          > of this whole unified field.
          >
          > This realization brings incredible
          > joy and freedom - and enhanced
          > free will, without the "should I or
          > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
          > trusts completely in what "Is".
          > And that translates to a completely
          > free life, freedom from fear and
          > doubt, and trust in one's own
          > judgment (free will), because it is
          > known that the choices are "guided"
          > within the context of the whole
          > of existence.
          >
          > Jeff
          >
          > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
          > <bethjams9@> wrote:
          > >
          > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
          awareness,
          > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
          > >
          > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
          > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
          > done".
          > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
          > > do!"
          > > Kir Li Molari
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
          > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
          > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
          > >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > ------------ --------- --------- ---
          > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
          > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
          >



          Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.
          Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.

        • Jeff Belyea
          Great, Sean. I d love to see some of your writing - not to critique, but to simply enjoy. Mucho gracias for the shrimp burrito recipe. Looks like a few more
          Message 4 of 26 , May 30 9:47 AM
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            Great, Sean. I'd love to see some
            of your writing - not to critique,
            but to simply enjoy.

            Mucho gracias for the shrimp burrito recipe.
            Looks like a few more cold ones would
            be necessary to get me past the jalapeno
            and chili combine! Yeow! Sounds scrumptious.

            When we were in the Baltimore area,
            they used to serve chili-pepper hot
            soft shell crabs with a pitcher of beer...

            Next morning...wicked headache, and
            a burn ring around the mouth. But, boy,
            were they good (as much as I can remember).

            About the movie:

            The good thing is...no one can
            tell you the ending. It must be
            personally experienced. The joy
            is in the journey as well as
            the discovery...and as Rumi
            wrote:

            I kept knocking on the door
            until I realized that I was
            knocking from the inside.


            --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
            <bethjams9@...> wrote:
            >
            > Jeff as a matter of fact I am writing. I've been working on three
            different pieces, one I started while I was offshore as a way to
            keeping connected with my kids, I would e-mail them a chapter every
            night as bed time stories. I also have a horror story for lack of a
            better term it's a way of exercising demons and creating an exiting
            story in the process, certain characters are formed by aspects of my
            own psyche. I am also working on something more personal but that
            will take a while, It's intimidating to lay yourself bare for all to
            read but it's something I admired in guy's like Brakowski. The
            biggest huddle is being satisfied enough with a piece to submit. We
            can be are own worse critics (but when I see allot of junk being
            published I suppose I can pull it off).
            > Burritos
            > Shrimp
            > roasted potato's
            > cilantro
            > chopped peppers, Scotch bonnet, jalapeno etc.
            > red onion
            > balsamic, just a splash
            > Spanish chili powder
            > garlic
            > Goya brand ranchero sauce
            > In a skillet saute shrimp, peppers, and onion in olive oil add
            garlic and roast potatoes, splash with balsamic(or white wine) add
            chili powder to taste (if it looks good it tastes good) roll in large
            burrito add large amounts of whole leaf cilantro and cheese
            > cover rolled burrito in a small stream of ranchero top with more
            cheese and bake at 350, buy time your ready to crack your second dos
            equis the burritos will be done.
            > Congratulations on your awakening
            > Please don't tell me the ending
            > I'm still watching the movie
            >
            >
            > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
            > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
            > on many points, and much of
            > what may seem like differing
            > points of view are more a
            > matter of semantics.
            >
            > The church (especially) and
            > most religious traditions have
            > become a train wreck of the
            > authentic teacher's original
            > teachings. Here, we absolutely
            > agree. There's no fun in
            > fundamentalism. The fanatic
            > religious view is the origin
            > of just about all wars.
            >
            > Yes, too bad that the term
            > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
            > something more like entrapment
            > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
            >
            > Your philosophy of:
            >
            > Eat good food
            > fall in love
            > raise happy kids
            > do meaningful work
            >
            > is simply beautiful. There's
            > an old Zen saying that goes
            > something like, "Before awakening,
            > chop wood, carry water. After
            > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
            >
            > I think that there is a large
            > audience for your "Scraped Knee
            > School of Philosophy". Your writing
            > style is unique and very appealing.
            > I hope that you continue to
            > develop that gift (inheritance).
            >
            > Do you keep a journal or write
            > often? Considering a book? You
            > use great analogies and very
            > creative metaphors.
            >
            > Love, as always,
            >
            > Jeff
            >
            > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
            >
            > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
            > would you?
            >
            > 2. A suggested perspective:
            >
            > Think of the battles in the gita
            > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
            > of the old testament or the tight-ass
            > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
            > rather than physical battles - in terms
            > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
            > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
            > ...awakening.
            >
            > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
            > I went through the door. One of the great
            > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
            > is that they leave the seeker outside
            > the door of awakening - leaving them
            > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
            > in heaven" - after they die. What
            > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
            > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
            > before I pull out my soapbox.
            >
            > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
            > <bethjams9@> wrote:
            > >
            > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
            > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
            expresion
            > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
            > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
            > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
            important
            > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
            > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
            > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or
            a
            > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
            > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
            > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
            bit "Willfull"
            > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
            > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all
            to
            > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
            > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
            > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
            > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it
            be
            > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by
            it
            > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land
            of
            > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
            > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
            > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
            > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
            > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
            > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
            > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because
            the
            > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
            > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
            > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
            > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
            > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
            > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
            > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
            > Good luck on your quest.
            > > Eat good food
            > > fall in love
            > > raise happy kids
            > > do meaningfull work
            > >
            > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
            > > Hi Sean -
            > >
            > > Yours is a reasonable response...
            > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
            > > or rather the impossibility of precise
            > > communication between two different
            > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
            > > interested, David Hawkins' book
            > > "Power vs Force" details his take
            > > on levels of consciousness).
            > >
            > > The realization that "everything
            > > works under one law" does not negate
            > > free will, it elevates it. We can
            > > still choose between a cheeseburger
            > > and baked scallops, and exercise
            > > free will on the mundane level -
            > > the trance level, or the level
            > > that we've been social coerced
            > > to accept as "all there is".
            > >
            > > But when nondual realization (by
            > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
            > > through, the personal ego gives way
            > > to the notion that the reasonsable
            > > and rational "self awareness" is...
            > > all there is to being alive.
            > >
            > > (Here's where precision of language
            > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
            > > personal self awareness is seen
            > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
            > > (even called illusory in most
            > > eastern traditions)
            > >
            > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
            > > something entirely different.
            > >
            > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
            > > shifts our perspective from being
            > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
            > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
            > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
            > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
            > > eternal, field of consciousness.
            > >
            > > The personal ego necessarily
            > > goes through the agony of complete
            > > collapse - giving way to the new
            > > realization that...hang on to your
            > > hat...there is a power greater
            > > than we are as individuals. And
            > > this "power" is beyond anything
            > > we formerly thought or imagined,
            > > different from personal ego..yet
            > > we are still a fully functional "part"
            > > of this whole unified field.
            > >
            > > This realization brings incredible
            > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
            > > free will, without the "should I or
            > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
            > > trusts completely in what "Is".
            > > And that translates to a completely
            > > free life, freedom from fear and
            > > doubt, and trust in one's own
            > > judgment (free will), because it is
            > > known that the choices are "guided"
            > > within the context of the whole
            > > of existence.
            > >
            > > Jeff
            > >
            > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
            > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
            > > >
            > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
            > awareness,
            > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
            > > >
            > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
            > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
            > > done".
            > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
            > > > do!"
            > > > Kir Li Molari
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > ---------------------------------
            > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
            > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
            > > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > ---------------------------------
            > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
            > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
            > >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > ---------------------------------
            > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your
            story.
            > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
            >
          • Aideen McKenna
            You know what would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book. Aideen _____ From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
            Message 5 of 26 , May 30 11:30 PM
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              You know what would be wonderful?  Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.

               

              Aideen

               


              From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
              Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
              To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] The Facts of Life

               

              Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
              on many points, and much of
              what may seem like differing
              points of view are more a
              matter of semantics.

              The church (especially) and
              most religious traditions have
              become a train wreck of the
              authentic teacher's original
              teachings. Here, we absolutely
              agree. There's no fun in
              fundamentalism. The fanatic
              religious view is the origin
              of just about all wars.

              Yes, too bad that the term
              "Enlightenment" has fallen into
              something more like entrapment
              in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".

              Your philosophy of:

              Eat good food
              fall in love
              raise happy kids
              do meaningful work

              is simply beautiful. There's
              an old Zen saying that goes
              something like, "Before awakening,
              chop wood, carry water. After
              awakening, chop wood, carry water."

              I think that there is a large
              audience for your "Scraped Knee
              School of Philosophy ". Your writing
              style is unique and very appealing.
              I hope that you continue to
              develop that gift (inheritance) .

              Do you keep a journal or write
              often? Considering a book? You
              use great analogies and very
              creative metaphors.

              Love, as always,

              Jeff

              PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:

              1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
              would you?

              2. A suggested perspective:

              Think of the battles in the gita
              and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
              of the old testament or the tight-ass
              writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
              rather than physical battles - in terms
              of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
              the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
              ...awakening.

              3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
              I went through the door. One of the great
              failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
              is that they leave the seeker outside
              the door of awakening - leaving them
              frustrated or waiting for their "reward
              in heaven" - after they die. What
              unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
              bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
              before I pull out my soapbox.

              --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
              <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:

              >
              > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
              it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing expresion
              or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
              trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
              course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most important
              gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
              the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
              conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or a
              kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
              bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
              probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a bit "Willfull"
              and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
              have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all to
              reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
              belts and kid nappings and so on and so
              > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
              sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it be
              trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by it
              from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land of
              canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
              talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
              as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
              realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
              enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
              may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
              this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because the
              pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
              not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
              disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
              will is a contradiction in terms! Try
              > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
              not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
              Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
              Good luck on your quest.
              > Eat good food
              > fall in love
              > raise happy kids
              > do meaningfull work
              >
              > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
              > Hi Sean -
              >
              > Yours is a reasonable response...
              > and it speaks to the difficulty -
              > or rather the impossibility of precise
              > communication between two different
              > levels of consciousness. (If you're
              > interested, David Hawkins' book
              > "Power vs Force" details his take
              > on levels of consciousness) .
              >
              > The realization that "everything
              > works under one law" does not negate
              > free will, it elevates it. We can
              > still choose between a cheeseburger
              > and baked scallops, and exercise
              > free will on the mundane level -
              > the trance level, or the level
              > that we've been social coerced
              > to accept as "all there is".
              >
              > But when nondual realization (by
              > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
              > through, the personal ego gives way
              > to the notion that the reasonsable
              > and rational "self awareness" is...
              > all there is to being alive.
              >
              > (Here's where precision of language
              > begins to be impossible) Instead,
              > personal self awareness is seen
              > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
              > (even called illusory in most
              > eastern traditions)
              >
              > Enlightened Self Awareness is
              > something entirely different.
              >
              > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
              > shifts our perspective from being
              > an isolated and independent "thinker",
              > to a oneness or wholeness in which
              > we now know that we are an "aspect"
              > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
              > eternal, field of consciousness.
              >
              > The personal ego necessarily
              > goes through the agony of complete
              > collapse - giving way to the new
              > realization that...hang on to your
              > hat...there is a power greater
              > than we are as individuals. And
              > this "power" is beyond anything
              > we formerly thought or imagined,
              > different from personal ego..yet
              > we are still a fully functional "part"
              > of this whole unified field.
              >
              > This realization brings incredible
              > joy and freedom - and enhanced
              > free will, without the "should I or
              > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
              > trusts completely in what "Is".
              > And that translates to a completely
              > free life, freedom from fear and
              > doubt, and trust in one's own
              > judgment (free will), because it is
              > known that the choices are "guided"
              > within the context of the whole
              > of existence.
              >
              > Jeff
              >
              > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com,
              sean tremblay
              > <bethjams9@> wrote:
              > >
              > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
              awareness,
              > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
              > >
              > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
              > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
              > done".
              > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
              > > do!"
              > > Kir Li Molari
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
              > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
              > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
              > >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > ------------ --------- --------- ---
              > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
              > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
              >

            • sean tremblay
              Thanks Aideen Aideen McKenna wrote: You know what would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book. Aideen
              Message 6 of 26 , May 31 5:14 AM
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                Thanks Aideen

                Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@...> wrote:
                You know what would be wonderful?  Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
                Aideen

                From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] The Facts of Life
                Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                on many points, and much of
                what may seem like differing
                points of view are more a
                matter of semantics.

                The church (especially) and
                most religious traditions have
                become a train wreck of the
                authentic teacher's original
                teachings. Here, we absolutely
                agree. There's no fun in
                fundamentalism. The fanatic
                religious view is the origin
                of just about all wars.

                Yes, too bad that the term
                "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                something more like entrapment
                in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".

                Your philosophy of:

                Eat good food
                fall in love
                raise happy kids
                do meaningful work

                is simply beautiful. There's
                an old Zen saying that goes
                something like, "Before awakening,
                chop wood, carry water. After
                awakening, chop wood, carry water."

                I think that there is a large
                audience for your "Scraped Knee
                School of Philosophy ". Your writing
                style is unique and very appealing.
                I hope that you continue to
                develop that gift (inheritance) .

                Do you keep a journal or write
                often? Considering a book? You
                use great analogies and very
                creative metaphors.

                Love, as always,

                Jeff

                PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:

                1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                would you?

                2. A suggested perspective:

                Think of the battles in the gita
                and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                of the old testament or the tight-ass
                writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                rather than physical battles - in terms
                of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                ...awakening.

                3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                I went through the door. One of the great
                failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                is that they leave the seeker outside
                the door of awakening - leaving them
                frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                in heaven" - after they die. What
                unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                before I pull out my soapbox.

                --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:
                >
                > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
                it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing expresion
                or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
                trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
                course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most important
                gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
                the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
                conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or a
                kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
                bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
                probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a bit "Willfull"
                and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
                have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all to
                reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
                belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
                sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it be
                trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by it
                from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land of
                canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
                as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
                realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
                enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
                may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
                this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because the
                pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
                not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
                disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
                will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
                not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
                Good luck on your quest.
                > Eat good food
                > fall in love
                > raise happy kids
                > do meaningfull work
                >
                > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
                > Hi Sean -
                >
                > Yours is a reasonable response...
                > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                > or rather the impossibility of precise
                > communication between two different
                > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                > interested, David Hawkins' book
                > "Power vs Force" details his take
                > on levels of consciousness) .
                >
                > The realization that "everything
                > works under one law" does not negate
                > free will, it elevates it. We can
                > still choose between a cheeseburger
                > and baked scallops, and exercise
                > free will on the mundane level -
                > the trance level, or the level
                > that we've been social coerced
                > to accept as "all there is".
                >
                > But when nondual realization (by
                > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                > through, the personal ego gives way
                > to the notion that the reasonsable
                > and rational "self awareness" is...
                > all there is to being alive.
                >
                > (Here's where precision of language
                > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                > personal self awareness is seen
                > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                > (even called illusory in most
                > eastern traditions)
                >
                > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                > something entirely different.
                >
                > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                > shifts our perspective from being
                > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                > eternal, field of consciousness.
                >
                > The personal ego necessarily
                > goes through the agony of complete
                > collapse - giving way to the new
                > realization that...hang on to your
                > hat...there is a power greater
                > than we are as individuals. And
                > this "power" is beyond anything
                > we formerly thought or imagined,
                > different from personal ego..yet
                > we are still a fully functional "part"
                > of this whole unified field.
                >
                > This realization brings incredible
                > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                > free will, without the "should I or
                > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                > trusts completely in what "Is".
                > And that translates to a completely
                > free life, freedom from fear and
                > doubt, and trust in one's own
                > judgment (free will), because it is
                > known that the choices are "guided"
                > within the context of the whole
                > of existence.
                >
                > Jeff
                >
                > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                > >
                > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                awareness,
                > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                > >
                > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
                > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                > done".
                > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                > > do!"
                > > Kir Li Molari
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                > >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                >


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              • Jeff Belyea
                Interesting concept. Maybe in a dialogue format - like we are doing here. Any title suggestions? ... would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay
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                  Interesting concept. Maybe in a "dialogue"
                  format - like we are doing here. Any title
                  suggestions?

                  --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                  <bethjams9@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Thanks Aideen
                  >
                  > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@...> wrote: You know what
                  would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
                  >
                  > Aideen
                  >
                  >
                  > ---------------------------------
                  >
                  > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                  [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
                  Belyea
                  > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                  > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                  > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
                  >
                  >
                  > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                  > on many points, and much of
                  > what may seem like differing
                  > points of view are more a
                  > matter of semantics.
                  >
                  > The church (especially) and
                  > most religious traditions have
                  > become a train wreck of the
                  > authentic teacher's original
                  > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                  > agree. There's no fun in
                  > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                  > religious view is the origin
                  > of just about all wars.
                  >
                  > Yes, too bad that the term
                  > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                  > something more like entrapment
                  > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                  >
                  > Your philosophy of:
                  >
                  > Eat good food
                  > fall in love
                  > raise happy kids
                  > do meaningful work
                  >
                  > is simply beautiful. There's
                  > an old Zen saying that goes
                  > something like, "Before awakening,
                  > chop wood, carry water. After
                  > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                  >
                  > I think that there is a large
                  > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                  > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                  > style is unique and very appealing.
                  > I hope that you continue to
                  > develop that gift (inheritance).
                  >
                  > Do you keep a journal or write
                  > often? Considering a book? You
                  > use great analogies and very
                  > creative metaphors.
                  >
                  > Love, as always,
                  >
                  > Jeff
                  >
                  > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                  >
                  > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                  > would you?
                  >
                  > 2. A suggested perspective:
                  >
                  > Think of the battles in the gita
                  > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                  > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                  > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                  > rather than physical battles - in terms
                  > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                  > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                  > ...awakening.
                  >
                  > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                  > I went through the door. One of the great
                  > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                  > is that they leave the seeker outside
                  > the door of awakening - leaving them
                  > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                  > in heaven" - after they die. What
                  > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                  > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                  > before I pull out my soapbox.
                  >
                  > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                  > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
                  > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                  expresion
                  > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
                  > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
                  > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                  important
                  > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
                  > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
                  > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or
                  a
                  > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
                  > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
                  > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                  bit "Willfull"
                  > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
                  > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all
                  to
                  > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
                  > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                  > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
                  > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it
                  be
                  > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by
                  it
                  > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land
                  of
                  > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                  > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
                  > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
                  > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
                  > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
                  > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
                  > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because
                  the
                  > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
                  > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
                  > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
                  > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                  > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
                  > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                  > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
                  > Good luck on your quest.
                  > > Eat good food
                  > > fall in love
                  > > raise happy kids
                  > > do meaningfull work
                  > >
                  > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                  > > Hi Sean -
                  > >
                  > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                  > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                  > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                  > > communication between two different
                  > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                  > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                  > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                  > > on levels of consciousness).
                  > >
                  > > The realization that "everything
                  > > works under one law" does not negate
                  > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                  > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                  > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                  > > free will on the mundane level -
                  > > the trance level, or the level
                  > > that we've been social coerced
                  > > to accept as "all there is".
                  > >
                  > > But when nondual realization (by
                  > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                  > > through, the personal ego gives way
                  > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                  > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                  > > all there is to being alive.
                  > >
                  > > (Here's where precision of language
                  > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                  > > personal self awareness is seen
                  > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                  > > (even called illusory in most
                  > > eastern traditions)
                  > >
                  > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                  > > something entirely different.
                  > >
                  > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                  > > shifts our perspective from being
                  > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                  > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                  > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                  > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                  > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                  > >
                  > > The personal ego necessarily
                  > > goes through the agony of complete
                  > > collapse - giving way to the new
                  > > realization that...hang on to your
                  > > hat...there is a power greater
                  > > than we are as individuals. And
                  > > this "power" is beyond anything
                  > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                  > > different from personal ego..yet
                  > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                  > > of this whole unified field.
                  > >
                  > > This realization brings incredible
                  > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                  > > free will, without the "should I or
                  > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                  > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                  > > And that translates to a completely
                  > > free life, freedom from fear and
                  > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                  > > judgment (free will), because it is
                  > > known that the choices are "guided"
                  > > within the context of the whole
                  > > of existence.
                  > >
                  > > Jeff
                  > >
                  > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                  > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                  > awareness,
                  > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                  > > >
                  > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                  > > done".
                  > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                  > > > do!"
                  > > > Kir Li Molari
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > ---------------------------------
                  > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                  > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                  > > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ---------------------------------
                  > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                  > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                  > >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > ---------------------------------
                  > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone
                  who knows.
                  > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                  >
                • sean tremblay
                  fly in the ointment Jeff Belyea wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe in a dialogue format - like we are doing here. Any title
                  Message 8 of 26 , May 31 8:18 PM
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                    fly in the ointment

                    Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
                    Interesting concept. Maybe in a "dialogue"
                    format - like we are doing here. Any title
                    suggestions?

                    --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                    <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:
                    >
                    > Thanks Aideen
                    >
                    > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@. ..> wrote: You know what
                    would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
                    >
                    > Aideen
                    >
                    >
                    > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                    >
                    > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                    [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
                    Belyea
                    > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                    > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                    > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
                    >
                    >
                    > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                    > on many points, and much of
                    > what may seem like differing
                    > points of view are more a
                    > matter of semantics.
                    >
                    > The church (especially) and
                    > most religious traditions have
                    > become a train wreck of the
                    > authentic teacher's original
                    > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                    > agree. There's no fun in
                    > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                    > religious view is the origin
                    > of just about all wars.
                    >
                    > Yes, too bad that the term
                    > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                    > something more like entrapment
                    > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                    >
                    > Your philosophy of:
                    >
                    > Eat good food
                    > fall in love
                    > raise happy kids
                    > do meaningful work
                    >
                    > is simply beautiful. There's
                    > an old Zen saying that goes
                    > something like, "Before awakening,
                    > chop wood, carry water. After
                    > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                    >
                    > I think that there is a large
                    > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                    > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                    > style is unique and very appealing.
                    > I hope that you continue to
                    > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                    >
                    > Do you keep a journal or write
                    > often? Considering a book? You
                    > use great analogies and very
                    > creative metaphors.
                    >
                    > Love, as always,
                    >
                    > Jeff
                    >
                    > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                    >
                    > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                    > would you?
                    >
                    > 2. A suggested perspective:
                    >
                    > Think of the battles in the gita
                    > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                    > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                    > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                    > rather than physical battles - in terms
                    > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                    > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                    > ...awakening.
                    >
                    > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                    > I went through the door. One of the great
                    > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                    > is that they leave the seeker outside
                    > the door of awakening - leaving them
                    > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                    > in heaven" - after they die. What
                    > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                    > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                    > before I pull out my soapbox.
                    >
                    > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                    > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
                    > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                    expresion
                    > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
                    > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
                    > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                    important
                    > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
                    > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
                    > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or
                    a
                    > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
                    > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
                    > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                    bit "Willfull"
                    > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
                    > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all
                    to
                    > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
                    > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                    > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
                    > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it
                    be
                    > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by
                    it
                    > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land
                    of
                    > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                    > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
                    > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
                    > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
                    > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
                    > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
                    > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because
                    the
                    > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
                    > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
                    > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
                    > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                    > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
                    > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                    > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
                    > Good luck on your quest.
                    > > Eat good food
                    > > fall in love
                    > > raise happy kids
                    > > do meaningfull work
                    > >
                    > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                    > > Hi Sean -
                    > >
                    > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                    > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                    > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                    > > communication between two different
                    > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                    > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                    > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                    > > on levels of consciousness) .
                    > >
                    > > The realization that "everything
                    > > works under one law" does not negate
                    > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                    > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                    > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                    > > free will on the mundane level -
                    > > the trance level, or the level
                    > > that we've been social coerced
                    > > to accept as "all there is".
                    > >
                    > > But when nondual realization (by
                    > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                    > > through, the personal ego gives way
                    > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                    > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                    > > all there is to being alive.
                    > >
                    > > (Here's where precision of language
                    > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                    > > personal self awareness is seen
                    > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                    > > (even called illusory in most
                    > > eastern traditions)
                    > >
                    > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                    > > something entirely different.
                    > >
                    > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                    > > shifts our perspective from being
                    > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                    > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                    > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                    > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                    > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                    > >
                    > > The personal ego necessarily
                    > > goes through the agony of complete
                    > > collapse - giving way to the new
                    > > realization that...hang on to your
                    > > hat...there is a power greater
                    > > than we are as individuals. And
                    > > this "power" is beyond anything
                    > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                    > > different from personal ego..yet
                    > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                    > > of this whole unified field.
                    > >
                    > > This realization brings incredible
                    > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                    > > free will, without the "should I or
                    > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                    > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                    > > And that translates to a completely
                    > > free life, freedom from fear and
                    > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                    > > judgment (free will), because it is
                    > > known that the choices are "guided"
                    > > within the context of the whole
                    > > of existence.
                    > >
                    > > Jeff
                    > >
                    > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                    > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                    > awareness,
                    > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                    > > >
                    > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
                    > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                    > > done".
                    > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                    > > > do!"
                    > > > Kir Li Molari
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                    > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                    > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                    > > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                    > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                    > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                    > >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                    > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone
                    who knows.
                    > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                    >



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                  • Jeff Belyea
                    I like it. Maybe... the fly gets annointed. ... in a dialogue ... Jeff ... of ... and ... or ... the ... I ... it ... land ... board. ... what ... of ...
                    Message 9 of 26 , Jun 1, 2007
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                      I like it. Maybe...

                      the fly gets annointed.

                      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                      <bethjams9@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > fly in the ointment
                      >
                      > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                      in a "dialogue"
                      > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                      > suggestions?
                      >
                      > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                      > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Thanks Aideen
                      > >
                      > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                      > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
                      > >
                      > > Aideen
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ---------------------------------
                      > >
                      > > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                      > [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                      Jeff
                      > Belyea
                      > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                      > > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                      > > on many points, and much of
                      > > what may seem like differing
                      > > points of view are more a
                      > > matter of semantics.
                      > >
                      > > The church (especially) and
                      > > most religious traditions have
                      > > become a train wreck of the
                      > > authentic teacher's original
                      > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                      > > agree. There's no fun in
                      > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                      > > religious view is the origin
                      > > of just about all wars.
                      > >
                      > > Yes, too bad that the term
                      > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                      > > something more like entrapment
                      > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                      > >
                      > > Your philosophy of:
                      > >
                      > > Eat good food
                      > > fall in love
                      > > raise happy kids
                      > > do meaningful work
                      > >
                      > > is simply beautiful. There's
                      > > an old Zen saying that goes
                      > > something like, "Before awakening,
                      > > chop wood, carry water. After
                      > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                      > >
                      > > I think that there is a large
                      > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                      > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                      > > style is unique and very appealing.
                      > > I hope that you continue to
                      > > develop that gift (inheritance).
                      > >
                      > > Do you keep a journal or write
                      > > often? Considering a book? You
                      > > use great analogies and very
                      > > creative metaphors.
                      > >
                      > > Love, as always,
                      > >
                      > > Jeff
                      > >
                      > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                      > >
                      > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                      > > would you?
                      > >
                      > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                      > >
                      > > Think of the battles in the gita
                      > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                      > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                      > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                      > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                      > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                      > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                      > > ...awakening.
                      > >
                      > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                      > > I went through the door. One of the great
                      > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                      > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                      > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                      > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                      > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                      > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                      > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                      > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                      > >
                      > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                      > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
                      > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                      > expresion
                      > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
                      > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and
                      of
                      > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                      > important
                      > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
                      > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest
                      and
                      > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis
                      or
                      > a
                      > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe
                      the
                      > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
                      > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                      > bit "Willfull"
                      > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem
                      I
                      > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all
                      > to
                      > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
                      > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                      > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
                      > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let
                      it
                      > be
                      > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by
                      > it
                      > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the
                      land
                      > of
                      > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                      > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on
                      board.
                      > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But
                      what
                      > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake
                      of
                      > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                      person
                      > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                      enlightenment
                      > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because
                      > the
                      > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language
                      does
                      > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
                      > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
                      > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                      > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
                      > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                      > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                      delusional.
                      > > Good luck on your quest.
                      > > > Eat good food
                      > > > fall in love
                      > > > raise happy kids
                      > > > do meaningfull work
                      > > >
                      > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                      > > > Hi Sean -
                      > > >
                      > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                      > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                      > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                      > > > communication between two different
                      > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                      > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                      > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                      > > > on levels of consciousness).
                      > > >
                      > > > The realization that "everything
                      > > > works under one law" does not negate
                      > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                      > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                      > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                      > > > free will on the mundane level -
                      > > > the trance level, or the level
                      > > > that we've been social coerced
                      > > > to accept as "all there is".
                      > > >
                      > > > But when nondual realization (by
                      > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                      > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                      > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                      > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                      > > > all there is to being alive.
                      > > >
                      > > > (Here's where precision of language
                      > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                      > > > personal self awareness is seen
                      > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                      > > > (even called illusory in most
                      > > > eastern traditions)
                      > > >
                      > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                      > > > something entirely different.
                      > > >
                      > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                      > > > shifts our perspective from being
                      > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                      > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                      > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                      > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                      > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                      > > >
                      > > > The personal ego necessarily
                      > > > goes through the agony of complete
                      > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                      > > > realization that...hang on to your
                      > > > hat...there is a power greater
                      > > > than we are as individuals. And
                      > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                      > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                      > > > different from personal ego..yet
                      > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                      > > > of this whole unified field.
                      > > >
                      > > > This realization brings incredible
                      > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                      > > > free will, without the "should I or
                      > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                      > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                      > > > And that translates to a completely
                      > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                      > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                      > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                      > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                      > > > within the context of the whole
                      > > > of existence.
                      > > >
                      > > > Jeff
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                      tremblay
                      > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                      > > awareness,
                      > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                      > > > >
                      > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                      > > > done".
                      > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                      > > > > do!"
                      > > > > Kir Li Molari
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ---------------------------------
                      > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                      > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                      > > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > ---------------------------------
                      > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                      > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                      > > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ---------------------------------
                      > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone
                      > who knows.
                      > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                      > >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ---------------------------------
                      > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
                      web links.
                      >
                    • Jeff Belyea
                      Just for clarification: Annointed (usally spelled anointed ) is a combination word, meaning - annoyed and anointed. ... tremblay ... know ... and ... in ...
                      Message 10 of 26 , Jun 1, 2007
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                        Just for clarification:

                        "Annointed" (usally spelled
                        "anointed") is a combination
                        word, meaning - annoyed and
                        anointed.

                        --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
                        <jeff@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > I like it. Maybe...
                        >
                        > the fly gets annointed.
                        >
                        > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                        > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > fly in the ointment
                        > >
                        > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                        > in a "dialogue"
                        > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                        > > suggestions?
                        > >
                        > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                        > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > Thanks Aideen
                        > > >
                        > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                        > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
                        > > >
                        > > > Aideen
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > ---------------------------------
                        > > >
                        > > > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                        > > [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                        > Jeff
                        > > Belyea
                        > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                        > > > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                        > > > on many points, and much of
                        > > > what may seem like differing
                        > > > points of view are more a
                        > > > matter of semantics.
                        > > >
                        > > > The church (especially) and
                        > > > most religious traditions have
                        > > > become a train wreck of the
                        > > > authentic teacher's original
                        > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                        > > > agree. There's no fun in
                        > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                        > > > religious view is the origin
                        > > > of just about all wars.
                        > > >
                        > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                        > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                        > > > something more like entrapment
                        > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                        > > >
                        > > > Your philosophy of:
                        > > >
                        > > > Eat good food
                        > > > fall in love
                        > > > raise happy kids
                        > > > do meaningful work
                        > > >
                        > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                        > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                        > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                        > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                        > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                        > > >
                        > > > I think that there is a large
                        > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                        > > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                        > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                        > > > I hope that you continue to
                        > > > develop that gift (inheritance).
                        > > >
                        > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                        > > > often? Considering a book? You
                        > > > use great analogies and very
                        > > > creative metaphors.
                        > > >
                        > > > Love, as always,
                        > > >
                        > > > Jeff
                        > > >
                        > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                        > > >
                        > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                        > > > would you?
                        > > >
                        > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                        > > >
                        > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                        > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                        > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                        > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                        > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                        > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                        > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                        > > > ...awakening.
                        > > >
                        > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                        > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                        > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                        > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                        > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                        > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                        > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                        > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                        > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                        > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                        > > >
                        > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                        tremblay
                        > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also
                        know
                        > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                        > > expresion
                        > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
                        > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul"
                        and
                        > of
                        > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                        > > important
                        > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal
                        in
                        > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest
                        > and
                        > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                        Davis
                        > or
                        > > a
                        > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe
                        > the
                        > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass
                        it's
                        > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                        > > bit "Willfull"
                        > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                        problem
                        > I
                        > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is
                        all
                        > > to
                        > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                        bomb
                        > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                        > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
                        > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let
                        > it
                        > > be
                        > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I
                        by
                        > > it
                        > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the
                        > land
                        > > of
                        > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                        > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on
                        > board.
                        > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But
                        > what
                        > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                        sake
                        > of
                        > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                        > person
                        > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                        > enlightenment
                        > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                        because
                        > > the
                        > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language
                        > does
                        > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So
                        I
                        > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                        without
                        > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                        > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one
                        do
                        > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                        > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                        > delusional.
                        > > > Good luck on your quest.
                        > > > > Eat good food
                        > > > > fall in love
                        > > > > raise happy kids
                        > > > > do meaningfull work
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                        > > > > Hi Sean -
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                        > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                        > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                        > > > > communication between two different
                        > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                        > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                        > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                        > > > > on levels of consciousness).
                        > > > >
                        > > > > The realization that "everything
                        > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                        > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                        > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                        > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                        > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                        > > > > the trance level, or the level
                        > > > > that we've been social coerced
                        > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                        > > > >
                        > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                        > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                        > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                        > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                        > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                        > > > > all there is to being alive.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                        > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                        > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                        > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                        > > > > (even called illusory in most
                        > > > > eastern traditions)
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                        > > > > something entirely different.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                        > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                        > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                        > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                        > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                        > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                        > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                        > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                        > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                        > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                        > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                        > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                        > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                        > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                        > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                        > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                        > > > > of this whole unified field.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > This realization brings incredible
                        > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                        > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                        > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                        > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                        > > > > And that translates to a completely
                        > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                        > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                        > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                        > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                        > > > > within the context of the whole
                        > > > > of existence.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Jeff
                        > > > >
                        > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                        > tremblay
                        > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                        > > > awareness,
                        > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                        > > > > done".
                        > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                        > > > > > do!"
                        > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > ---------------------------------
                        > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                        > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > ---------------------------------
                        > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                        > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                        > > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > ---------------------------------
                        > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
                        someone
                        > > who knows.
                        > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > ---------------------------------
                        > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
                        > web links.
                        > >
                        >
                      • sean tremblay
                        I dig it, maybe there s a publisher in the chat group Jeff Belyea wrote: Just for clarification: Annointed (usally spelled
                        Message 11 of 26 , Jun 1, 2007
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                          I dig it,  maybe there's a publisher in the chat group

                          Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
                          Just for clarification:

                          "Annointed" (usally spelled
                          "anointed") is a combination
                          word, meaning - annoyed and
                          anointed.

                          --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
                          <jeff@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > I like it. Maybe...
                          >
                          > the fly gets annointed.
                          >
                          > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                          > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > fly in the ointment
                          > >
                          > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                          > in a "dialogue"
                          > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                          > > suggestions?
                          > >
                          > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                          > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > Thanks Aideen
                          > > >
                          > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                          > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
                          > > >
                          > > > Aideen
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                          > > >
                          > > > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                          > > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of
                          > Jeff
                          > > Belyea
                          > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                          > > > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                          > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                          > > > on many points, and much of
                          > > > what may seem like differing
                          > > > points of view are more a
                          > > > matter of semantics.
                          > > >
                          > > > The church (especially) and
                          > > > most religious traditions have
                          > > > become a train wreck of the
                          > > > authentic teacher's original
                          > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                          > > > agree. There's no fun in
                          > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                          > > > religious view is the origin
                          > > > of just about all wars.
                          > > >
                          > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                          > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                          > > > something more like entrapment
                          > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                          > > >
                          > > > Your philosophy of:
                          > > >
                          > > > Eat good food
                          > > > fall in love
                          > > > raise happy kids
                          > > > do meaningful work
                          > > >
                          > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                          > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                          > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                          > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                          > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                          > > >
                          > > > I think that there is a large
                          > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                          > > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                          > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                          > > > I hope that you continue to
                          > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                          > > >
                          > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                          > > > often? Considering a book? You
                          > > > use great analogies and very
                          > > > creative metaphors.
                          > > >
                          > > > Love, as always,
                          > > >
                          > > > Jeff
                          > > >
                          > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                          > > >
                          > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                          > > > would you?
                          > > >
                          > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                          > > >
                          > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                          > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                          > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                          > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                          > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                          > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                          > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                          > > > ...awakening.
                          > > >
                          > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                          > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                          > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                          > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                          > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                          > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                          > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                          > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                          > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                          > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                          > > >
                          > > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
                          tremblay
                          > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also
                          know
                          > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                          > > expresion
                          > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
                          > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul"
                          and
                          > of
                          > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                          > > important
                          > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal
                          in
                          > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest
                          > and
                          > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                          Davis
                          > or
                          > > a
                          > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe
                          > the
                          > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass
                          it's
                          > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                          > > bit "Willfull"
                          > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                          problem
                          > I
                          > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is
                          all
                          > > to
                          > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                          bomb
                          > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                          > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
                          > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let
                          > it
                          > > be
                          > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I
                          by
                          > > it
                          > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the
                          > land
                          > > of
                          > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                          > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on
                          > board.
                          > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But
                          > what
                          > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                          sake
                          > of
                          > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                          > person
                          > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                          > enlightenment
                          > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                          because
                          > > the
                          > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language
                          > does
                          > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So
                          I
                          > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                          without
                          > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                          > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one
                          do
                          > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                          > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                          > delusional.
                          > > > Good luck on your quest.
                          > > > > Eat good food
                          > > > > fall in love
                          > > > > raise happy kids
                          > > > > do meaningfull work
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                          > > > > Hi Sean -
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                          > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                          > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                          > > > > communication between two different
                          > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                          > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                          > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                          > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                          > > > >
                          > > > > The realization that "everything
                          > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                          > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                          > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                          > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                          > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                          > > > > the trance level, or the level
                          > > > > that we've been social coerced
                          > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                          > > > >
                          > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                          > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                          > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                          > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                          > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                          > > > > all there is to being alive.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                          > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                          > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                          > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                          > > > > (even called illusory in most
                          > > > > eastern traditions)
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                          > > > > something entirely different.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                          > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                          > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                          > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                          > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                          > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                          > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                          > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                          > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                          > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                          > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                          > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                          > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                          > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                          > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                          > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                          > > > > of this whole unified field.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > This realization brings incredible
                          > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                          > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                          > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                          > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                          > > > > And that translates to a completely
                          > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                          > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                          > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                          > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                          > > > > within the context of the whole
                          > > > > of existence.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Jeff
                          > > > >
                          > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
                          > tremblay
                          > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                          > > > awareness,
                          > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
                          > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                          > > > > done".
                          > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                          > > > > > do!"
                          > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                          > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                          > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                          > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                          > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                          > > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                          > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
                          someone
                          > > who knows.
                          > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                          > > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                          > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
                          > web links.
                          > >
                          >



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                          Sean - I have a publisher. Email me privately and we ll work out the details. jeff@mindgoal.com ... tremblay ... book. ... Of ... been ... animal ... manifest
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                            Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                            privately and we'll work out the details.

                            jeff@...

                            --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                            <bethjams9@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                            >
                            > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote: Just for clarification:
                            >
                            > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                            > "anointed") is a combination
                            > word, meaning - annoyed and
                            > anointed.
                            >
                            > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
                            > <jeff@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > I like it. Maybe...
                            > >
                            > > the fly gets annointed.
                            > >
                            > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                            > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > fly in the ointment
                            > > >
                            > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                            > > in a "dialogue"
                            > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                            > > > suggestions?
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                            tremblay
                            > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Thanks Aideen
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                            > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                            book.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Aideen
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > ---------------------------------
                            > > > >
                            > > > > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                            Of
                            > > Jeff
                            > > > Belyea
                            > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                            > > > > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                            > > > > on many points, and much of
                            > > > > what may seem like differing
                            > > > > points of view are more a
                            > > > > matter of semantics.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > The church (especially) and
                            > > > > most religious traditions have
                            > > > > become a train wreck of the
                            > > > > authentic teacher's original
                            > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                            > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                            > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                            > > > > religious view is the origin
                            > > > > of just about all wars.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                            > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                            > > > > something more like entrapment
                            > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Your philosophy of:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Eat good food
                            > > > > fall in love
                            > > > > raise happy kids
                            > > > > do meaningful work
                            > > > >
                            > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                            > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                            > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                            > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                            > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                            > > > >
                            > > > > I think that there is a large
                            > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                            > > > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                            > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                            > > > > I hope that you continue to
                            > > > > develop that gift (inheritance).
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                            > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                            > > > > use great analogies and very
                            > > > > creative metaphors.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Love, as always,
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Jeff
                            > > > >
                            > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                            > > > > would you?
                            > > > >
                            > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                            > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                            > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                            > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                            > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                            > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                            > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                            > > > > ...awakening.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                            > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                            > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                            > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                            > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                            > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                            > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                            > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                            > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                            > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                            > tremblay
                            > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also
                            > know
                            > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                            > > > expresion
                            > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                            been
                            > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul"
                            > and
                            > > of
                            > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                            > > > important
                            > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                            animal
                            > in
                            > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                            manifest
                            > > and
                            > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                            > Davis
                            > > or
                            > > > a
                            > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                            believe
                            > > the
                            > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass
                            > it's
                            > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                            > > > bit "Willfull"
                            > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                            > problem
                            > > I
                            > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is
                            > all
                            > > > to
                            > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                            > bomb
                            > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                            > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                            same
                            > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                            let
                            > > it
                            > > > be
                            > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did
                            I
                            > by
                            > > > it
                            > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the
                            > > land
                            > > > of
                            > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                            > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on
                            > > board.
                            > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                            But
                            > > what
                            > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                            > sake
                            > > of
                            > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                            > > person
                            > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                            > > enlightenment
                            > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                            > because
                            > > > the
                            > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                            language
                            > > does
                            > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy)
                            So
                            > I
                            > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                            > without
                            > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                            > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one
                            > do
                            > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                            > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                            > > delusional.
                            > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                            > > > > > Eat good food
                            > > > > > fall in love
                            > > > > > raise happy kids
                            > > > > > do meaningfull work
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                            > > > > > Hi Sean -
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                            > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                            > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                            > > > > > communication between two different
                            > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                            > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                            > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                            > > > > > on levels of consciousness).
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > The realization that "everything
                            > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                            > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                            > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                            > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                            > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                            > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                            > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                            > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                            > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                            > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                            > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                            > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                            > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                            > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                            > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                            > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                            > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                            > > > > > eastern traditions)
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                            > > > > > something entirely different.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                            > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                            > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                            > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                            > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                            > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                            > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                            > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                            > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                            > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                            > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                            > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                            > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                            > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                            > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                            > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                            > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                            > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                            > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                            > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                            > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                            > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                            > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                            > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                            > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                            > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                            > > > > > within the context of the whole
                            > > > > > of existence.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Jeff
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                            > > tremblay
                            > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                            > > > > awareness,
                            > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                            > > > > > done".
                            > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                            > > > > > > do!"
                            > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > ---------------------------------
                            > > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                            > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > ---------------------------------
                            > > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                            > > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > ---------------------------------
                            > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
                            > someone
                            > > > who knows.
                            > > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                            > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > ---------------------------------
                            > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers,
                            not
                            > > web links.
                            > > >
                            > >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > ---------------------------------
                            > Got a little couch potato?
                            > Check out fun summer activities for kids.
                            >
                          • Aideen McKenna
                            When you two are on Oprah discussing your smash about-to-be-a-movie bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a suggestion from some
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                              When you two are on “Oprah” discussing your smash about-to-be-a-movie bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a suggestion from some elderly Canadian lady.

                               


                              From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                              Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                              To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)

                               

                              Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                              privately and we'll work out the details.

                              jeff@mindgoal. com

                              --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                              <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:

                              >
                              > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                              >
                              > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote: Just for clarification:
                              >
                              > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                              > "anointed") is a combination
                              > word, meaning - annoyed and
                              > anointed.
                              >
                              > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com,
                              "Jeff Belyea"
                              > <jeff@> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > I like it. Maybe...
                              > >
                              > > the fly gets annointed.
                              > >
                              > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com,
                              sean tremblay
                              > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > fly in the ointment
                              > > >
                              > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                              > > in a "dialogue"
                              > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                              > > > suggestions?
                              > > >
                              > > > --- In
                              href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
                              tremblay
                              > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Thanks Aideen
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                              > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                              book.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Aideen
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                              > > > >
                              > > > > From:
                              href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                              > > > [mailto:
                              href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf
                              Of
                              > > Jeff
                              > > > Belyea
                              > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                              > > > > To:
                              href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                              > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of
                              w:st="on"> America ] The Facts of Life
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                              > > > > on many points, and much of
                              > > > > what may seem like differing
                              > > > > points of view are more a
                              > > > > matter of semantics.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > The church (especially) and
                              > > > > most religious traditions have
                              > > > > become a train wreck of the
                              > > > > authentic teacher's original
                              > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                              > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                              > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                              > > > > religious view is the origin
                              > > > > of just about all wars.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                              > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                              > > > > something more like entrapment
                              > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Your philosophy of:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Eat good food
                              > > > > fall in love
                              > > > > raise happy kids
                              > > > > do meaningful work
                              > > > >
                              > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                              > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                              > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                              > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                              > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                              > > > >
                              > > > > I think that there is a large
                              > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                              > > > > School
                              of Philosophy ". Your writing
                              > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                              > > > > I hope that you continue to
                              > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                              > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                              > > > > use great analogies and very
                              > > > > creative metaphors.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Love, as always,
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Jeff
                              > > > >
                              > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                              > > > > would you?
                              > > > >
                              > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                              > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                              > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                              > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                              > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                              > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                              > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                              > > > > ...awakening.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                              > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                              > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                              > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                              > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                              > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                              > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                              > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                              > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                              > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > --- In
                              href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
                              > tremblay
                              > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                              also
                              > know
                              > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                              > > > expresion
                              > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                              been
                              > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                              the "Soul"
                              > and
                              > > of
                              > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the
                              humanities most
                              > > > important
                              > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                              animal
                              > in
                              > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                              manifest
                              > > and
                              > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                              > Davis
                              > > or
                              > > > a
                              > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                              believe
                              > > the
                              > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I
                              sound crass
                              > it's
                              > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                              > > > bit "Willfull"
                              > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                              > problem
                              > > I
                              > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                              is
                              > all
                              > > > to
                              > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality
                              that leads to
                              > bomb
                              > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                              > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I
                              read of the
                              same
                              > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                              let
                              > > it
                              > > > be
                              > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                              did
                              I
                              > by
                              > > > it
                              > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                              the
                              > > land
                              > > > of
                              > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                              are
                              > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                              on
                              > > board.
                              > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                              But
                              > > what
                              > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                              > sake
                              > > of
                              > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                              > > person
                              > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                              > > enlightenment
                              > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                              > because
                              > > > the
                              > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                              language
                              > > does
                              > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                              (Spiritualy)
                              So
                              > I
                              > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                              > without
                              > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                              > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I
                              for one
                              > do
                              > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                              > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                              > > delusional.
                              > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                              > > > > > Eat good food
                              > > > > > fall in love
                              > > > > > raise happy kids
                              > > > > > do meaningfull work
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                              > > > > > Hi Sean -
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                              > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                              > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                              > > > > > communication between two different
                              > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                              > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                              > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                              > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > The realization that "everything
                              > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                              > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                              > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                              > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                              > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                              > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                              > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                              > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                              > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                              > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                              > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                              > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                              > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                              > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                              > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                              > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                              > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                              > > > > > eastern traditions)
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                              > > > > > something entirely different.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                              > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                              > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                              > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                              > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                              > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                              > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                              > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                              > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                              > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                              > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                              > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                              > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                              > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                              > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                              > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                              > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                              > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                              > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                              > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                              > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                              > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                              > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                              > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                              > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                              > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                              > > > > > within the context of the whole
                              > > > > > of existence.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Jeff
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > --- In
                              href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
                              > > tremblay
                              > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will
                              and self
                              > > > > awareness,
                              > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <
                              href="mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com">no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
                              > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ...
                              "Thy will be
                              > > > > > done".
                              > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or
                              can
                              > > > > > > do!"
                              > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > >
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                              forecast
                              > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
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                              > > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
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                              > someone
                              > > > who knows.
                              > > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                              > > > >
                              > > >
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                              > > >
                              > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                              > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers,
                              not
                              > > web links.
                              > > >
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                              >
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                              > Check out fun summer activities for kids.
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                            • Jeff Belyea
                              You bet. I like your vision. How about, A suggestion from a visionary Canadian lady . Sean is in Maine (close to Canada), and I m in Florida (close to
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                                You bet. I like your vision.
                                How about, "A suggestion from
                                a visionary Canadian lady".

                                Sean is in Maine (close to Canada),
                                and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise).

                                Thanks,

                                Jeff

                                --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                                <aideenmck@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be-a-
                                movie
                                > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                                suggestion
                                > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > _____
                                >
                                > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                                > [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                                Jeff Belyea
                                > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                                > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                                > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                                > privately and we'll work out the details.
                                >
                                > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff%40mindgoal.com> com
                                >
                                > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > america@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                                > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                                > >
                                > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                                > >
                                > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                                > > "anointed") is a combination
                                > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                                > > anointed.
                                > >
                                > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > america@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
                                > > <jeff@> wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > I like it. Maybe...
                                > > >
                                > > > the fly gets annointed.
                                > > >
                                > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > america@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                                > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > fly in the ointment
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                                > > > in a "dialogue"
                                > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                                > > > > suggestions?
                                > > > >
                                > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > america@yahoogroups.com, sean
                                > tremblay
                                > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                                > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                                > book.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Aideen
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > ---------------------------------
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > america@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > > [mailto:meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > america@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                                > Of
                                > > > Jeff
                                > > > > Belyea
                                > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                                > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > america@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of
                                Life
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                                > > > > > on many points, and much of
                                > > > > > what may seem like differing
                                > > > > > points of view are more a
                                > > > > > matter of semantics.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > The church (especially) and
                                > > > > > most religious traditions have
                                > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                                > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                                > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                                > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                                > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                                > > > > > religious view is the origin
                                > > > > > of just about all wars.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                                > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                                > > > > > something more like entrapment
                                > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Eat good food
                                > > > > > fall in love
                                > > > > > raise happy kids
                                > > > > > do meaningful work
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                                > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                                > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                                > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                                > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > I think that there is a large
                                > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                                > > > > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                                > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                                > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                                > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance).
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                                > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                                > > > > > use great analogies and very
                                > > > > > creative metaphors.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Love, as always,
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Jeff
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                                > > > > > would you?
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                                > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                                > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                                > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                                > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                                > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                                > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                                > > > > > ...awakening.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                                > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                                > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                                > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                                > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                                > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                                > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                                > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                                > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                                > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > america@yahoogroups.com, sean
                                > > tremblay
                                > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                                also
                                > > know
                                > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                                > > > > expresion
                                > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                                > been
                                > > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                                the "Soul"
                                > > and
                                > > > of
                                > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                                > > > > important
                                > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                                > animal
                                > > in
                                > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                                > manifest
                                > > > and
                                > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                                > > Davis
                                > > > or
                                > > > > a
                                > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                                > believe
                                > > > the
                                > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound
                                crass
                                > > it's
                                > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                                > > > > bit "Willfull"
                                > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                                > > problem
                                > > > I
                                > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                                is
                                > > all
                                > > > > to
                                > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                                > > bomb
                                > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                                > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                                > same
                                > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                                > let
                                > > > it
                                > > > > be
                                > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                                did
                                > I
                                > > by
                                > > > > it
                                > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                                the
                                > > > land
                                > > > > of
                                > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                                are
                                > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                                on
                                > > > board.
                                > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                                > But
                                > > > what
                                > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                                > > sake
                                > > > of
                                > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                                > > > person
                                > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                                > > > enlightenment
                                > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                                > > because
                                > > > > the
                                > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                                > language
                                > > > does
                                > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                                (Spiritualy)
                                > So
                                > > I
                                > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                                > > without
                                > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                                > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for
                                one
                                > > do
                                > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                                > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                                > > > delusional.
                                > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                                > > > > > > Eat good food
                                > > > > > > fall in love
                                > > > > > > raise happy kids
                                > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                                > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                                > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                                > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                                > > > > > > communication between two different
                                > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                                > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                                > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                                > > > > > > on levels of consciousness).
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                                > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                                > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                                > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                                > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                                > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                                > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                                > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                                > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                                > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                                > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                                > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                                > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                                > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                                > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                                > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                                > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                                > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                                > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                                > > > > > > something entirely different.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                                > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                                > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                                > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                                > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                                > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                                > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                                > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                                > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                                > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                                > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                                > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                                > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                                > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                                > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                                > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                                > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                                > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                                > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                                > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                                > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                                > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                                > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                                > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                                > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                                > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                                > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                                > > > > > > of existence.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > Jeff
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > america@yahoogroups.com, sean
                                > > > tremblay
                                > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                                > > > > > awareness,
                                > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup
                                > <mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> s.com>
                                > > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                                > > > > > > done".
                                > > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                                > > > > > > > do!"
                                > > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > ---------------------------------
                                > > > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                                > > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                                > > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > ---------------------------------
                                > > > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                                > > > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > ---------------------------------
                                > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
                                > > someone
                                > > > > who knows.
                                > > > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > ---------------------------------
                                > > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers,
                                > not
                                > > > web links.
                                > > > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > ---------------------------------
                                > > Got a little couch potato?
                                > > Check out fun summer activities for kids.
                                > >
                                >
                              • Aideen McKenna
                                You re both close to Paradise, in more than one respect. Visionary does have a nicer ring than elderly , for some reason. _____ From:
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                                  You’re both close to Paradise , in more than one respect.

                                  “Visionary” does have a nicer ring than “elderly”, for some reason.

                                   


                                  From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                                  Sent: June 1, 2007 4:59 PM
                                  To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)

                                   

                                  You bet. I like your vision.
                                  How about, "A suggestion from
                                  a visionary Canadian lady".

                                  Sean is in Maine (close to Canada ),
                                  and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise ).

                                  Thanks,

                                  Jeff

                                  --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                                  <aideenmck@. ..> wrote:

                                  >
                                  > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be- a-
                                  movie
                                  > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                                  suggestion
                                  > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > _____
                                  >
                                  > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                  > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com]
                                  On Behalf Of
                                  Jeff Belyea
                                  > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                                  > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                  > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                                  > privately and we'll work out the details.
                                  >
                                  > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff% 40mindgoal. com> com
                                  >
                                  > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                  > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                  > america@yahoogroups .com,
                                  sean tremblay
                                  > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                                  > >
                                  > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                                  > >
                                  > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                                  > > "anointed") is a combination
                                  > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                                  > > anointed.
                                  > >
                                  > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                  > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                  > america@yahoogroups .com,
                                  "Jeff Belyea"
                                  > > <jeff@> wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > I like it. Maybe...
                                  > > >
                                  > > > the fly gets annointed.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                  > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                  > america@yahoogroups .com,
                                  sean tremblay
                                  > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > fly in the ointment
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                                  > > > in a "dialogue"
                                  > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                                  > > > > suggestions?
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                  > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                  > america@yahoogroups .com,
                                  sean
                                  > tremblay
                                  > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                                  > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay
                                  co-writing a
                                  > book.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Aideen
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                                  > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                  > america@yahoogroups .com
                                  > > > > [mailto:meditations ocietyof
                                  > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                  > america@yahoogroups .com]
                                  On Behalf
                                  > Of
                                  > > > Jeff
                                  > > > > Belyea
                                  > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                                  > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                                  > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                  > america@yahoogroups .com
                                  > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of
                                  w:st="on"> America ] The Facts of
                                  Life
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                                  > > > > > on many points, and much of
                                  > > > > > what may seem like differing
                                  > > > > > points of view are more a
                                  > > > > > matter of semantics.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > The church (especially) and
                                  > > > > > most religious traditions have
                                  > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                                  > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                                  > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                                  > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                                  > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                                  > > > > > religious view is the origin
                                  > > > > > of just about all wars.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                                  > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                                  > > > > > something more like entrapment
                                  > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Eat good food
                                  > > > > > fall in love
                                  > > > > > raise happy kids
                                  > > > > > do meaningful work
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                                  > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                                  > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                                  > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                                  > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > I think that there is a large
                                  > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                                  > > > > > School
                                  of Philosophy ". Your writing
                                  > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                                  > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                                  > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                                  > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                                  > > > > > use great analogies and very
                                  > > > > > creative metaphors.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Love, as always,
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Jeff
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                                  > > > > > would you?
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                                  > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                                  > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                                  > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                                  > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                                  > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                                  > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                                  > > > > > ...awakening.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                                  > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                                  > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                                  > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                                  > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                                  > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                                  > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                                  > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                                  > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                                  > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                  > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                  > america@yahoogroups .com,
                                  sean
                                  > > tremblay
                                  > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your
                                  saying, I
                                  also
                                  > > know
                                  > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without
                                  seeing
                                  > > > > expresion
                                  > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I
                                  have
                                  > been
                                  > > > > > trying to articulate that the
                                  "Individuality" and
                                  the "Soul"
                                  > > and
                                  > > > of
                                  > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the
                                  humanities most
                                  > > > > important
                                  > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the
                                  only
                                  > animal
                                  > > in
                                  > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                                  > manifest
                                  > > > and
                                  > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or
                                  Miles
                                  > > Davis
                                  > > > or
                                  > > > > a
                                  > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what
                                  I
                                  > believe
                                  > > > the
                                  > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at
                                  time I sound
                                  crass
                                  > > it's
                                  > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                                  > > > > bit "Willfull"
                                  > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy.
                                  The
                                  > > problem
                                  > > > I
                                  > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the
                                  statement
                                  is
                                  > > all
                                  > > > > to
                                  > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala"
                                  mentality that leads to
                                  > > bomb
                                  > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                                  > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told
                                  when I read of the
                                  > same
                                  > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole
                                  karma
                                  > let
                                  > > > it
                                  > > > > be
                                  > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either
                                  nor
                                  did
                                  > I
                                  > > by
                                  > > > > it
                                  > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth
                                  into
                                  the
                                  > > > land
                                  > > > > of
                                  > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If
                                  you
                                  are
                                  > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose
                                  I'm
                                  on
                                  > > > board.
                                  > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone
                                  elses.
                                  > But
                                  > > > what
                                  > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will
                                  for the
                                  > > sake
                                  > > > of
                                  > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and
                                  that
                                  > > > person
                                  > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                                  > > > enlightenment
                                  > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and
                                  just
                                  > > because
                                  > > > > the
                                  > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                                  > language
                                  > > > does
                                  > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                                  (Spiritualy)
                                  > So
                                  > > I
                                  > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that
                                  freedom
                                  > > without
                                  > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                                  > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And
                                  I for
                                  one
                                  > > do
                                  > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the
                                  term
                                  > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                                  > > > delusional.
                                  > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                                  > > > > > > Eat good food
                                  > > > > > > fall in love
                                  > > > > > > raise happy kids
                                  > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                                  > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                                  > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                                  > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                                  > > > > > > communication between two different
                                  > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                                  > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                                  > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                                  > > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                                  > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                                  > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                                  > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                                  > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                                  > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                                  > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                                  > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                                  > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                                  > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                                  > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                                  > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                                  > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                                  > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                                  > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                                  > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                                  > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                                  > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                                  > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                                  > > > > > > something entirely different.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                                  > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                                  > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                                  > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                                  > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                                  > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                                  > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                                  > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                                  > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                                  > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                                  > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                                  > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                                  > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                                  > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                                  > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                                  > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                                  > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                                  > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                                  > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                                  > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                                  > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                                  > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                                  > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                                  > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                                  > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                                  > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                                  > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                                  > > > > > > of existence.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Jeff
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                  > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                  > america@yahoogroups .com,
                                  sean
                                  > > > tremblay
                                  > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free
                                  will and self
                                  > > > > > awareness,
                                  > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogrou p
                                  > <mailto:no_reply% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com>
                                  > > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ...
                                  "Thy will be
                                  > > > > > > done".
                                  > > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do
                                  ... or can
                                  > > > > > > > do!"
                                  > > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                  > > > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the
                                  forecast
                                  > > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                                  > > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                  > > > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                                  > > > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo!
                                  Search.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                  > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers
                                  from
                                  > > someone
                                  > > > > who knows.
                                  > > > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                  > > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives
                                  answers,
                                  > not
                                  > > > web links.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                  > > Got a little couch potato?
                                  > > Check out fun summer activities for kids.
                                  > >
                                  >

                                • sean tremblay
                                  I am from Maine but I currently reside in Williamsburg Virginia, I consider myself an expatriot and on government forms I check the other block and write in
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                                    I am from Maine but I currently reside in Williamsburg Virginia,  I consider myself an expatriot and on government forms I check the "other" block and write in Mainer as my nationality and country of origin.

                                    Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@...> wrote:
                                    You’re both close to Paradise , in more than one respect.
                                    “Visionary” does have a nicer ring than “elderly”, for some reason.

                                    From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                                    Sent: June 1, 2007 4:59 PM
                                    To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                    Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                    You bet. I like your vision.
                                    How about, "A suggestion from
                                    a visionary Canadian lady".

                                    Sean is in Maine (close to Canada ),
                                    and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise ).

                                    Thanks,

                                    Jeff

                                    --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                                    <aideenmck@. ..> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be- a-
                                    movie
                                    > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                                    suggestion
                                    > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > _____
                                    >
                                    > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                    > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of
                                    Jeff Belyea
                                    > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                                    > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                    > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                                    > privately and we'll work out the details.
                                    >
                                    > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff% 40mindgoal. com> com
                                    >
                                    > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                    > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                    > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                                    > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                                    > >
                                    > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                                    > >
                                    > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                                    > > "anointed") is a combination
                                    > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                                    > > anointed.
                                    > >
                                    > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                    > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                    > america@yahoogroups .com, "Jeff Belyea"
                                    > > <jeff@> wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I like it. Maybe...
                                    > > >
                                    > > > the fly gets annointed.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                    > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                    > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                                    > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > fly in the ointment
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                                    > > > in a "dialogue"
                                    > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                                    > > > > suggestions?
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                    > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                    > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                    > tremblay
                                    > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                                    > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                                    > book.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Aideen
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                                    > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                    > america@yahoogroups .com
                                    > > > > [mailto:meditations ocietyof
                                    > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                    > america@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
                                    > Of
                                    > > > Jeff
                                    > > > > Belyea
                                    > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                                    > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                                    > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                    > america@yahoogroups .com
                                    > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] The Facts of
                                    Life
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                                    > > > > > on many points, and much of
                                    > > > > > what may seem like differing
                                    > > > > > points of view are more a
                                    > > > > > matter of semantics.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > The church (especially) and
                                    > > > > > most religious traditions have
                                    > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                                    > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                                    > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                                    > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                                    > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                                    > > > > > religious view is the origin
                                    > > > > > of just about all wars.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                                    > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                                    > > > > > something more like entrapment
                                    > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Eat good food
                                    > > > > > fall in love
                                    > > > > > raise happy kids
                                    > > > > > do meaningful work
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                                    > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                                    > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                                    > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                                    > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > I think that there is a large
                                    > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                                    > > > > > School of Philosophy ". Your writing
                                    > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                                    > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                                    > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                                    > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                                    > > > > > use great analogies and very
                                    > > > > > creative metaphors.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Love, as always,
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Jeff
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                                    > > > > > would you?
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                                    > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                                    > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                                    > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                                    > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                                    > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                                    > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                                    > > > > > ...awakening.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                                    > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                                    > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                                    > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                                    > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                                    > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                                    > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                                    > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                                    > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                                    > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                    > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                    > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                    > > tremblay
                                    > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                                    also
                                    > > know
                                    > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                                    > > > > expresion
                                    > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                                    > been
                                    > > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                                    the "Soul"
                                    > > and
                                    > > > of
                                    > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                                    > > > > important
                                    > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                                    > animal
                                    > > in
                                    > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                                    > manifest
                                    > > > and
                                    > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                                    > > Davis
                                    > > > or
                                    > > > > a
                                    > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                                    > believe
                                    > > > the
                                    > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound
                                    crass
                                    > > it's
                                    > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                                    > > > > bit "Willfull"
                                    > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                                    > > problem
                                    > > > I
                                    > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                                    is
                                    > > all
                                    > > > > to
                                    > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                                    > > bomb
                                    > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                                    > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                                    > same
                                    > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                                    > let
                                    > > > it
                                    > > > > be
                                    > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                                    did
                                    > I
                                    > > by
                                    > > > > it
                                    > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                                    the
                                    > > > land
                                    > > > > of
                                    > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                                    are
                                    > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                                    on
                                    > > > board.
                                    > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                                    > But
                                    > > > what
                                    > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                                    > > sake
                                    > > > of
                                    > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                                    > > > person
                                    > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                                    > > > enlightenment
                                    > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                                    > > because
                                    > > > > the
                                    > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                                    > language
                                    > > > does
                                    > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                                    (Spiritualy)
                                    > So
                                    > > I
                                    > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                                    > > without
                                    > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                                    > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for
                                    one
                                    > > do
                                    > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                                    > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                                    > > > delusional.
                                    > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                                    > > > > > > Eat good food
                                    > > > > > > fall in love
                                    > > > > > > raise happy kids
                                    > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                                    > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                                    > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                                    > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                                    > > > > > > communication between two different
                                    > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                                    > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                                    > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                                    > > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                                    > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                                    > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                                    > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                                    > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                                    > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                                    > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                                    > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                                    > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                                    > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                                    > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                                    > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                                    > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                                    > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                                    > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                                    > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                                    > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                                    > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                                    > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                                    > > > > > > something entirely different.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                                    > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                                    > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                                    > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                                    > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                                    > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                                    > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                                    > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                                    > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                                    > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                                    > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                                    > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                                    > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                                    > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                                    > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                                    > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                                    > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                                    > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                                    > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                                    > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                                    > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                                    > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                                    > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                                    > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                                    > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                                    > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                                    > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                                    > > > > > > of existence.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > Jeff
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                    > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                    > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                    > > > tremblay
                                    > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                                    > > > > > awareness,
                                    > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogrou p
                                    > <mailto:no_reply% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com>
                                    > > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                                    > > > > > > done".
                                    > > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                                    > > > > > > > do!"
                                    > > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > >
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                                  • Aideen McKenna
                                    I m originally from Montreal, Quebec, where the name Tremblay was, for many years, the one that filled the most columns in the phone directory. I ve now
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                                      I’m originally from Montreal , Quebec , where the name “Tremblay” was, for many years, the one that filled the most columns in the phone directory.

                                      I’ve now lived on the west coast for more years than I was in Quebec , & I docilely fill in “Canadian”.  However … Quebec sometimes rather ferociously tries to separate & I can’t help but wish them well.  I’ll always feel homesick for the place.

                                       


                                      From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of sean tremblay
                                      Sent: June 1, 2007 7:09 PM
                                      To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: RE: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)

                                       

                                      I am from Maine but I currently reside in Williamsburg Virginia ,  I consider myself an expatriot and on government forms I check the "other" block and write in Mainer as my nationality and country of origin.

                                      Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@telus. net> wrote:

                                      You’re both close to Paradise , in more than one respect.

                                      “Visionary” does have a nicer ring than “elderly”, for some reason.


                                      From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                                      Sent: June 1, 2007 4:59 PM
                                      To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                      Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)

                                      You bet. I like your vision.
                                      How about, "A suggestion from
                                      a visionary Canadian lady".

                                      Sean is in Maine (close to Canada ),
                                      and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise ).

                                      Thanks,

                                      Jeff

                                      --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                                      <aideenmck@. ..> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be- a-
                                      movie
                                      > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                                      suggestion
                                      > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > _____
                                      >
                                      > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                      > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of
                                      Jeff Belyea
                                      > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                                      > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                      > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                                      > privately and we'll work out the details.
                                      >
                                      > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff% 40mindgoal. com> com
                                      >
                                      > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                      > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                      > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                                      > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                                      > >
                                      > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                                      > >
                                      > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                                      > > "anointed") is a combination
                                      > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                                      > > anointed.
                                      > >
                                      > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                      > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                      > america@yahoogroups .com, "Jeff Belyea"
                                      > > <jeff@> wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > I like it. Maybe...
                                      > > >
                                      > > > the fly gets annointed.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                      > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                      > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                                      > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > fly in the ointment
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                                      > > > in a "dialogue"
                                      > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                                      > > > > suggestions?
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                      > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                      > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                      > tremblay
                                      > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                                      > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                                      > book.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Aideen
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                                      > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                      > america@yahoogroups .com
                                      > > > > [mailto:meditations ocietyof
                                      > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                      > america@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
                                      > Of
                                      > > > Jeff
                                      > > > > Belyea
                                      > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                                      > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                                      > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                      > america@yahoogroups .com
                                      > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] The Facts of
                                      Life
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                                      > > > > > on many points, and much of
                                      > > > > > what may seem like differing
                                      > > > > > points of view are more a
                                      > > > > > matter of semantics.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > The church (especially) and
                                      > > > > > most religious traditions have
                                      > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                                      > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                                      > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                                      > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                                      > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                                      > > > > > religious view is the origin
                                      > > > > > of just about all wars.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                                      > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                                      > > > > > something more like entrapment
                                      > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Eat good food
                                      > > > > > fall in love
                                      > > > > > raise happy kids
                                      > > > > > do meaningful work
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                                      > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                                      > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                                      > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                                      > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > I think that there is a large
                                      > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                                      > > > > > School of Philosophy ". Your writing
                                      > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                                      > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                                      > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                                      > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                                      > > > > > use great analogies and very
                                      > > > > > creative metaphors.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Love, as always,
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Jeff
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                                      > > > > > would you?
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                                      > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                                      > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                                      > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                                      > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                                      > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                                      > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                                      > > > > > ...awakening.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                                      > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                                      > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                                      > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                                      > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                                      > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                                      > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                                      > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                                      > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                                      > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                      > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                      > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                      > > tremblay
                                      > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                                      also
                                      > > know
                                      > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                                      > > > > expresion
                                      > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                                      > been
                                      > > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                                      the "Soul"
                                      > > and
                                      > > > of
                                      > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                                      > > > > important
                                      > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                                      > animal
                                      > > in
                                      > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                                      > manifest
                                      > > > and
                                      > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                                      > > Davis
                                      > > > or
                                      > > > > a
                                      > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                                      > believe
                                      > > > the
                                      > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound
                                      crass
                                      > > it's
                                      > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                                      > > > > bit "Willfull"
                                      > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                                      > > problem
                                      > > > I
                                      > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                                      is
                                      > > all
                                      > > > > to
                                      > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                                      > > bomb
                                      > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                                      > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                                      > same
                                      > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                                      > let
                                      > > > it
                                      > > > > be
                                      > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                                      did
                                      > I
                                      > > by
                                      > > > > it
                                      > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                                      the
                                      > > > land
                                      > > > > of
                                      > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                                      are
                                      > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                                      on
                                      > > > board.
                                      > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                                      > But
                                      > > > what
                                      > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                                      > > sake
                                      > > > of
                                      > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                                      > > > person
                                      > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                                      > > > enlightenment
                                      > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                                      > > because
                                      > > > > the
                                      > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                                      > language
                                      > > > does
                                      > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                                      (Spiritualy)
                                      > So
                                      > > I
                                      > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                                      > > without
                                      > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                                      > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for
                                      one
                                      > > do
                                      > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                                      > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                                      > > > delusional.
                                      > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                                      > > > > > > Eat good food
                                      > > > > > > fall in love
                                      > > > > > > raise happy kids
                                      > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                                      > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                                      > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                                      > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                                      > > > > > > communication between two different
                                      > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                                      > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                                      > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                                      > > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                                      > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                                      > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                                      > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                                      > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                                      > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                                      > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                                      > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                                      > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                                      > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                                      > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                                      > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                                      > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                                      > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                                      > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                                      > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                                      > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                                      > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                                      > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                                      > > > > > > something entirely different.
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                                      > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                                      > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                                      > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                                      > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                                      > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                                      > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                                      > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                                      > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                                      > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                                      > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                                      > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                                      > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                                      > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                                      > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                                      > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                                      > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                                      > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                                      > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                                      > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                                      > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                                      > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                                      > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                                      > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                                      > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                                      > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                                      > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                                      > > > > > > of existence.
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Jeff
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                      > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                      > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                      > > > tremblay
                                      > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                                      > > > > > awareness,
                                      > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogrou p
                                      > <mailto:no_reply% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com>
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                                    • sean tremblay
                                      My Grandfather Rene augustas Tremblay came from Quebec city and settled in Cape Elizebeth Maine in the late 30 s. According to family legend all Tremblay s
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                                        My Grandfather Rene augustas Tremblay came from Quebec city and settled in Cape Elizebeth Maine in the late 30's.  According to family legend all Tremblay's decend from one Peirre Tremblay, who apperently was a very busy man when he arrived in Canada in the late 1600's.

                                        Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@...> wrote:
                                        I’m originally from Montreal , Quebec , where the name “Tremblay” was, for many years, the one that filled the most columns in the phone directory.
                                        I’ve now lived on the west coast for more years than I was in Quebec , & I docilely fill in “Canadian”.  However … Quebec sometimes rather ferociously tries to separate & I can’t help but wish them well.  I’ll always feel homesick for the place.

                                        From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of sean tremblay
                                        Sent: June 1, 2007 7:09 PM
                                        To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                        Subject: RE: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                        I am from Maine but I currently reside in Williamsburg Virginia ,  I consider myself an expatriot and on government forms I check the "other" block and write in Mainer as my nationality and country of origin.

                                        Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@telus. net> wrote:
                                        You’re both close to Paradise , in more than one respect.
                                        “Visionary” does have a nicer ring than “elderly”, for some reason.

                                        From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                                        Sent: June 1, 2007 4:59 PM
                                        To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                        Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                        You bet. I like your vision.
                                        How about, "A suggestion from
                                        a visionary Canadian lady".

                                        Sean is in Maine (close to Canada ),
                                        and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise ).

                                        Thanks,

                                        Jeff

                                        --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                                        <aideenmck@. ..> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be- a-
                                        movie
                                        > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                                        suggestion
                                        > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > _____
                                        >
                                        > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                        > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of
                                        Jeff Belyea
                                        > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                                        > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                        > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                                        > privately and we'll work out the details.
                                        >
                                        > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff% 40mindgoal. com> com
                                        >
                                        > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                        > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                                        > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                                        > >
                                        > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                                        > >
                                        > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                                        > > "anointed") is a combination
                                        > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                                        > > anointed.
                                        > >
                                        > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                        > america@yahoogroups .com, "Jeff Belyea"
                                        > > <jeff@> wrote:
                                        > > >
                                        > > > I like it. Maybe...
                                        > > >
                                        > > > the fly gets annointed.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                        > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                                        > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > fly in the ointment
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                                        > > > in a "dialogue"
                                        > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                                        > > > > suggestions?
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                        > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                        > tremblay
                                        > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                                        > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                                        > book.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Aideen
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                        > america@yahoogroups .com
                                        > > > > [mailto:meditations ocietyof
                                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                        > america@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
                                        > Of
                                        > > > Jeff
                                        > > > > Belyea
                                        > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                                        > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                        > america@yahoogroups .com
                                        > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] The Facts of
                                        Life
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                                        > > > > > on many points, and much of
                                        > > > > > what may seem like differing
                                        > > > > > points of view are more a
                                        > > > > > matter of semantics.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > The church (especially) and
                                        > > > > > most religious traditions have
                                        > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                                        > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                                        > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                                        > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                                        > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                                        > > > > > religious view is the origin
                                        > > > > > of just about all wars.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                                        > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                                        > > > > > something more like entrapment
                                        > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Eat good food
                                        > > > > > fall in love
                                        > > > > > raise happy kids
                                        > > > > > do meaningful work
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                                        > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                                        > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                                        > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                                        > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > I think that there is a large
                                        > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                                        > > > > > School of Philosophy ". Your writing
                                        > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                                        > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                                        > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                                        > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                                        > > > > > use great analogies and very
                                        > > > > > creative metaphors.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Love, as always,
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Jeff
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                                        > > > > > would you?
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                                        > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                                        > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                                        > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                                        > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                                        > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                                        > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                                        > > > > > ...awakening.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                                        > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                                        > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                                        > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                                        > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                                        > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                                        > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                                        > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                                        > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                                        > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                        > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                        > > tremblay
                                        > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                                        also
                                        > > know
                                        > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                                        > > > > expresion
                                        > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                                        > been
                                        > > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                                        the "Soul"
                                        > > and
                                        > > > of
                                        > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                                        > > > > important
                                        > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                                        > animal
                                        > > in
                                        > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                                        > manifest
                                        > > > and
                                        > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                                        > > Davis
                                        > > > or
                                        > > > > a
                                        > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                                        > believe
                                        > > > the
                                        > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound
                                        crass
                                        > > it's
                                        > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                                        > > > > bit "Willfull"
                                        > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                                        > > problem
                                        > > > I
                                        > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                                        is
                                        > > all
                                        > > > > to
                                        > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                                        > > bomb
                                        > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                                        > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                                        > same
                                        > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                                        > let
                                        > > > it
                                        > > > > be
                                        > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                                        did
                                        > I
                                        > > by
                                        > > > > it
                                        > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                                        the
                                        > > > land
                                        > > > > of
                                        > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                                        are
                                        > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                                        on
                                        > > > board.
                                        > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                                        > But
                                        > > > what
                                        > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                                        > > sake
                                        > > > of
                                        > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                                        > > > person
                                        > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                                        > > > enlightenment
                                        > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                                        > > because
                                        > > > > the
                                        > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                                        > language
                                        > > > does
                                        > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                                        (Spiritualy)
                                        > So
                                        > > I
                                        > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                                        > > without
                                        > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                                        > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for
                                        one
                                        > > do
                                        > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                                        > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                                        > > > delusional.
                                        > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                                        > > > > > > Eat good food
                                        > > > > > > fall in love
                                        > > > > > > raise happy kids
                                        > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                                        > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                                        > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                                        > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                                        > > > > > > communication between two different
                                        > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                                        > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                                        > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                                        > > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                                        > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                                        > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                                        > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                                        > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                                        > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                                        > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                                        > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                                        > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                                        > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                                        > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                                        > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                                        > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                                        > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                                        > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                                        > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                                        > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                                        > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                                        > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                                        > > > > > > something entirely different.
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                                        > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                                        > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                                        > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                                        > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                                        > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                                        > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                                        > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                                        > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                                        > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                                        > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                                        > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                                        > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                                        > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                                        > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                                        > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                                        > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                                        > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                                        > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                                        > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                                        > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                                        > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                                        > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                                        > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                                        > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                                        > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                                        > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                                        > > > > > > of existence.
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Jeff
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                        > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                        > > > tremblay
                                        > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                                        > > > > > awareness,
                                        > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogrou p
                                        > <mailto:no_reply% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com>
                                        > > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                                        > > > > > > done".
                                        > > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                                        > > > > > > > do!"
                                        > > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > >
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                                        > > > > > > >
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                                      • medit8ionsociety
                                        T The Facts of Life Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will
                                        Message 19 of 26 , Apr 14, 2014
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                                          T

                                          The Facts of Life

                                           

                                          Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will all of your thoughts. It will happen to everyone and everything. It is literally sense-less to focus your attention on these temporary things.

                                           

                                          Meditate and witness the ever-present and unending. Now, and happily ever-after.

                                           

                                          Kir Li Molari

                                           

                                        • dan330033
                                          Ends now. Dissolves now. So die now. And be ... ... T The Facts of Life Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your
                                          Message 20 of 26 , Apr 16, 2014
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                                            Ends now.  Dissolves now.

                                            So die now.

                                            And be ...


                                            ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

                                            T

                                            The Facts of Life

                                             

                                            Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will all of your thoughts. It will happen to everyone and everything. It is literally sense-less to focus your attention on these temporary things.

                                             

                                            Meditate and witness the ever-present and unending. Now, and happily ever-after.

                                             

                                            Kir Li Molari

                                             

                                          • medit8ionsociety
                                            Thanks Sri Danji! Bringing light into the present...What a present! ... Ends now. Dissolves now. So die now. And be ... ... T The Facts of Life Your vision,
                                            Message 21 of 26 , Apr 16, 2014
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                                              Thanks Sri Danji! Bringing light into the present...What a present!


                                              ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <dan330033@...> wrote :

                                              Ends now.  Dissolves now.

                                              So die now.

                                              And be ...


                                              ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

                                              T

                                              The Facts of Life

                                               

                                              Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will all of your thoughts. It will happen to everyone and everything. It is literally sense-less to focus your attention on these temporary things.

                                               

                                              Meditate and witness the ever-present and unending. Now, and happily ever-after.

                                               

                                              Kir Li Molari

                                               

                                            • dan330033
                                              Yes! This present involves no time. So, it includes everything we conventionally call past and future. The doesn t mean I know everything that ever
                                              Message 22 of 26 , Apr 18, 2014
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                                                Yes!

                                                This present involves no time.

                                                So, it includes everything we conventionally call "past" and "future."

                                                The doesn't mean I know everything that ever happened or will happen.

                                                It means that I don't know anything, and don't need to.

                                                :-)


                                                Swami Satchitananda would approve, as this not-knowing-anything doesn't seem to be harming my health - at least what's left of it ...  :-)



                                                ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

                                                Thanks Sri Danji! Bringing light into the present...What a present!


                                                ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <dan330033@...> wrote :

                                                Ends now.  Dissolves now.

                                                So die now.

                                                And be ...


                                                ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

                                                T

                                                The Facts of Life

                                                 

                                                Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will all of your thoughts. It will happen to everyone and everything. It is literally sense-less to focus your attention on these temporary things.

                                                 

                                                Meditate and witness the ever-present and unending. Now, and happily ever-after.

                                                 

                                                Kir Li Molari

                                                 

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