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  • sean tremblay
    Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self awareness, those are two qualities we posess for a reason medit8ionsociety
    Message 1 of 26 , May 29, 2007
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      Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self awareness,  those are two qualities we posess for a reason

      medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
      "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be done".
      This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
      do!"
      Kir Li Molari



      Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
      with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.

    • medit8ionsociety
      ... those are two qualities we posess for a reason If you take away the will from free will, you re free. Swami Satchidananda ... Everything works under
      Message 2 of 26 , May 29, 2007
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        --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
        <bethjams9@...> wrote:
        >
        > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self awareness,
        those are two qualities we posess for a reason

        " If you take away the 'will' from free will, you're free."
        Swami Satchidananda

        >
        > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
        "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be done".
        > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
        > do!"
        > Kir Li Molari
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > ---------------------------------
        > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
        > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
        >
      • Jeff Belyea
        Hi Sean - Yours is a reasonable response... and it speaks to the difficulty - or rather the impossibility of precise communication between two different levels
        Message 3 of 26 , May 29, 2007
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          Hi Sean -

          Yours is a reasonable response...
          and it speaks to the difficulty -
          or rather the impossibility of precise
          communication between two different
          levels of consciousness. (If you're
          interested, David Hawkins' book
          "Power vs Force" details his take
          on levels of consciousness).

          The realization that "everything
          works under one law" does not negate
          free will, it elevates it. We can
          still choose between a cheeseburger
          and baked scallops, and exercise
          free will on the mundane level -
          the trance level, or the level
          that we've been social coerced
          to accept as "all there is".

          But when nondual realization (by
          any other name - enlightenment) breaks
          through, the personal ego gives way
          to the notion that the reasonsable
          and rational "self awareness" is...
          all there is to being alive.

          (Here's where precision of language
          begins to be impossible) Instead,
          personal self awareness is seen
          as a secondary or superficial awareness,
          (even called illusory in most
          eastern traditions)

          Enlightened Self Awareness is
          something entirely different.

          Self Awareness (caps intentional)
          shifts our perspective from being
          an isolated and independent "thinker",
          to a oneness or wholeness in which
          we now know that we are an "aspect"
          of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
          eternal, field of consciousness.

          The personal ego necessarily
          goes through the agony of complete
          collapse - giving way to the new
          realization that...hang on to your
          hat...there is a power greater
          than we are as individuals. And
          this "power" is beyond anything
          we formerly thought or imagined,
          different from personal ego..yet
          we are still a fully functional "part"
          of this whole unified field.

          This realization brings incredible
          joy and freedom - and enhanced
          free will, without the "should I or
          shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
          trusts completely in what "Is".
          And that translates to a completely
          free life, freedom from fear and
          doubt, and trust in one's own
          judgment (free will), because it is
          known that the choices are "guided"
          within the context of the whole
          of existence.

          Jeff

          --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
          <bethjams9@...> wrote:
          >
          > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self awareness,
          those are two qualities we posess for a reason
          >
          > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
          wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
          done".
          > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
          > do!"
          > Kir Li Molari
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > ---------------------------------
          > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
          > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
          >
        • sean tremblay
          Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know it s hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing expresion or hearing inflection in
          Message 4 of 26 , May 29, 2007
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            Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing expresion or hearing inflection in the voice.  I would say as I have been trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most important gifts and that is the gift of creation.  We are the only animal in the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or a kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a bit "Willfull" and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy.  The problem I have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all to reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb belts and kid nappings and so on and so forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it be trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by it from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land of canaan and murder!  That of course is the extreme,  If you are talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board. as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.  But what realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person may find himself in a state of bliss.  But this is not enlightenment this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because the pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without will is a contradiction in terms! Try baking a cake or writing a poem without will,  And I for one do not belive one can fuly awaken without it.  I avoid the term Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.  Good luck on your quest.
            Eat good food
            fall in love
            raise happy kids
            do meaningfull work

            Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
            Hi Sean -

            Yours is a reasonable response...
            and it speaks to the difficulty -
            or rather the impossibility of precise
            communication between two different
            levels of consciousness. (If you're
            interested, David Hawkins' book
            "Power vs Force" details his take
            on levels of consciousness) .

            The realization that "everything
            works under one law" does not negate
            free will, it elevates it. We can
            still choose between a cheeseburger
            and baked scallops, and exercise
            free will on the mundane level -
            the trance level, or the level
            that we've been social coerced
            to accept as "all there is".

            But when nondual realization (by
            any other name - enlightenment) breaks
            through, the personal ego gives way
            to the notion that the reasonsable
            and rational "self awareness" is...
            all there is to being alive.

            (Here's where precision of language
            begins to be impossible) Instead,
            personal self awareness is seen
            as a secondary or superficial awareness,
            (even called illusory in most
            eastern traditions)

            Enlightened Self Awareness is
            something entirely different.

            Self Awareness (caps intentional)
            shifts our perspective from being
            an isolated and independent "thinker",
            to a oneness or wholeness in which
            we now know that we are an "aspect"
            of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
            eternal, field of consciousness.

            The personal ego necessarily
            goes through the agony of complete
            collapse - giving way to the new
            realization that...hang on to your
            hat...there is a power greater
            than we are as individuals. And
            this "power" is beyond anything
            we formerly thought or imagined,
            different from personal ego..yet
            we are still a fully functional "part"
            of this whole unified field.

            This realization brings incredible
            joy and freedom - and enhanced
            free will, without the "should I or
            shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
            trusts completely in what "Is".
            And that translates to a completely
            free life, freedom from fear and
            doubt, and trust in one's own
            judgment (free will), because it is
            known that the choices are "guided"
            within the context of the whole
            of existence.

            Jeff

            --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
            <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:
            >
            > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self awareness,
            those are two qualities we posess for a reason
            >
            > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
            wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
            done".
            > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
            > do!"
            > Kir Li Molari
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > ------------ --------- --------- ---
            > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
            > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
            >



            Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
            Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.

          • Jeff Belyea
            Thanks, Sean. First, we agree on many points, and much of what may seem like differing points of view are more a matter of semantics. The church (especially)
            Message 5 of 26 , May 30, 2007
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              Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
              on many points, and much of
              what may seem like differing
              points of view are more a
              matter of semantics.

              The church (especially) and
              most religious traditions have
              become a train wreck of the
              authentic teacher's original
              teachings. Here, we absolutely
              agree. There's no fun in
              fundamentalism. The fanatic
              religious view is the origin
              of just about all wars.

              Yes, too bad that the term
              "Enlightenment" has fallen into
              something more like entrapment
              in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".

              Your philosophy of:

              Eat good food
              fall in love
              raise happy kids
              do meaningful work

              is simply beautiful. There's
              an old Zen saying that goes
              something like, "Before awakening,
              chop wood, carry water. After
              awakening, chop wood, carry water."

              I think that there is a large
              audience for your "Scraped Knee
              School of Philosophy". Your writing
              style is unique and very appealing.
              I hope that you continue to
              develop that gift (inheritance).

              Do you keep a journal or write
              often? Considering a book? You
              use great analogies and very
              creative metaphors.

              Love, as always,

              Jeff

              PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:

              1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
              would you?

              2. A suggested perspective:

              Think of the battles in the gita
              and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
              of the old testament or the tight-ass
              writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
              rather than physical battles - in terms
              of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
              the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
              ...awakening.

              3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
              I went through the door. One of the great
              failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
              is that they leave the seeker outside
              the door of awakening - leaving them
              frustrated or waiting for their "reward
              in heaven" - after they die. What
              unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
              bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
              before I pull out my soapbox.


              --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
              <bethjams9@...> wrote:
              >
              > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
              it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing expresion
              or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
              trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
              course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most important
              gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
              the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
              conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or a
              kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
              bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
              probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a bit "Willfull"
              and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
              have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all to
              reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
              belts and kid nappings and so on and so
              > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
              sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it be
              trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by it
              from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land of
              canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
              talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
              as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
              realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
              enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
              may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
              this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because the
              pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
              not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
              disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
              will is a contradiction in terms! Try
              > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
              not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
              Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
              Good luck on your quest.
              > Eat good food
              > fall in love
              > raise happy kids
              > do meaningfull work
              >
              > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
              > Hi Sean -
              >
              > Yours is a reasonable response...
              > and it speaks to the difficulty -
              > or rather the impossibility of precise
              > communication between two different
              > levels of consciousness. (If you're
              > interested, David Hawkins' book
              > "Power vs Force" details his take
              > on levels of consciousness).
              >
              > The realization that "everything
              > works under one law" does not negate
              > free will, it elevates it. We can
              > still choose between a cheeseburger
              > and baked scallops, and exercise
              > free will on the mundane level -
              > the trance level, or the level
              > that we've been social coerced
              > to accept as "all there is".
              >
              > But when nondual realization (by
              > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
              > through, the personal ego gives way
              > to the notion that the reasonsable
              > and rational "self awareness" is...
              > all there is to being alive.
              >
              > (Here's where precision of language
              > begins to be impossible) Instead,
              > personal self awareness is seen
              > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
              > (even called illusory in most
              > eastern traditions)
              >
              > Enlightened Self Awareness is
              > something entirely different.
              >
              > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
              > shifts our perspective from being
              > an isolated and independent "thinker",
              > to a oneness or wholeness in which
              > we now know that we are an "aspect"
              > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
              > eternal, field of consciousness.
              >
              > The personal ego necessarily
              > goes through the agony of complete
              > collapse - giving way to the new
              > realization that...hang on to your
              > hat...there is a power greater
              > than we are as individuals. And
              > this "power" is beyond anything
              > we formerly thought or imagined,
              > different from personal ego..yet
              > we are still a fully functional "part"
              > of this whole unified field.
              >
              > This realization brings incredible
              > joy and freedom - and enhanced
              > free will, without the "should I or
              > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
              > trusts completely in what "Is".
              > And that translates to a completely
              > free life, freedom from fear and
              > doubt, and trust in one's own
              > judgment (free will), because it is
              > known that the choices are "guided"
              > within the context of the whole
              > of existence.
              >
              > Jeff
              >
              > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
              > <bethjams9@> wrote:
              > >
              > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
              awareness,
              > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
              > >
              > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
              > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
              > done".
              > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
              > > do!"
              > > Kir Li Molari
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > ---------------------------------
              > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
              > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
              > >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > ---------------------------------
              > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
              > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
              >
            • sean tremblay
              Jeff as a matter of fact I am writing. I ve been working on three different pieces, one I started while I was offshore as a way to keeping connected with my
              Message 6 of 26 , May 30, 2007
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                Jeff as a matter of fact I am writing.  I've been working on three different pieces, one I started while I was offshore as a way to keeping connected with my kids, I would e-mail them a chapter every night as bed time stories.  I also have a horror story for lack of a better term it's a way of exercising demons and creating an exiting story in the process, certain characters are formed by aspects of my own psyche. I am also working on something more personal but that will take a while,  It's intimidating to lay yourself bare for all to read but it's something I admired in guy's like Brakowski.  The biggest huddle is being satisfied enough with a piece to submit.  We can be are own worse critics (but when I see allot of junk being published I suppose I can pull it off).
                Burritos
                Shrimp
                roasted potato's
                cilantro
                chopped peppers, Scotch bonnet, jalapeno etc.
                red onion
                balsamic, just a splash
                Spanish chili powder
                garlic
                Goya brand ranchero sauce
                In a skillet saute shrimp, peppers, and onion in olive oil add garlic and roast potatoes, splash with balsamic(or white wine) add chili powder to taste (if it looks good it tastes good) roll in large burrito add large amounts of whole leaf cilantro and cheese
                cover rolled burrito in a small stream of ranchero top with more cheese and bake at 350, buy time your ready to crack your second dos equis the burritos will be done.
                Congratulations on your awakening
                Please don't tell me the ending
                I'm still watching the movie 


                Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
                Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                on many points, and much of
                what may seem like differing
                points of view are more a
                matter of semantics.

                The church (especially) and
                most religious traditions have
                become a train wreck of the
                authentic teacher's original
                teachings. Here, we absolutely
                agree. There's no fun in
                fundamentalism. The fanatic
                religious view is the origin
                of just about all wars.

                Yes, too bad that the term
                "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                something more like entrapment
                in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".

                Your philosophy of:

                Eat good food
                fall in love
                raise happy kids
                do meaningful work

                is simply beautiful. There's
                an old Zen saying that goes
                something like, "Before awakening,
                chop wood, carry water. After
                awakening, chop wood, carry water."

                I think that there is a large
                audience for your "Scraped Knee
                School of Philosophy". Your writing
                style is unique and very appealing.
                I hope that you continue to
                develop that gift (inheritance) .

                Do you keep a journal or write
                often? Considering a book? You
                use great analogies and very
                creative metaphors.

                Love, as always,

                Jeff

                PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:

                1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                would you?

                2. A suggested perspective:

                Think of the battles in the gita
                and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                of the old testament or the tight-ass
                writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                rather than physical battles - in terms
                of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                ...awakening.

                3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                I went through the door. One of the great
                failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                is that they leave the seeker outside
                the door of awakening - leaving them
                frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                in heaven" - after they die. What
                unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                before I pull out my soapbox.

                --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:
                >
                > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
                it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing expresion
                or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
                trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
                course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most important
                gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
                the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
                conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or a
                kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
                bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
                probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a bit "Willfull"
                and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
                have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all to
                reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
                belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
                sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it be
                trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by it
                from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land of
                canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
                as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
                realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
                enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
                may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
                this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because the
                pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
                not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
                disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
                will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
                not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
                Good luck on your quest.
                > Eat good food
                > fall in love
                > raise happy kids
                > do meaningfull work
                >
                > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
                > Hi Sean -
                >
                > Yours is a reasonable response...
                > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                > or rather the impossibility of precise
                > communication between two different
                > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                > interested, David Hawkins' book
                > "Power vs Force" details his take
                > on levels of consciousness) .
                >
                > The realization that "everything
                > works under one law" does not negate
                > free will, it elevates it. We can
                > still choose between a cheeseburger
                > and baked scallops, and exercise
                > free will on the mundane level -
                > the trance level, or the level
                > that we've been social coerced
                > to accept as "all there is".
                >
                > But when nondual realization (by
                > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                > through, the personal ego gives way
                > to the notion that the reasonsable
                > and rational "self awareness" is...
                > all there is to being alive.
                >
                > (Here's where precision of language
                > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                > personal self awareness is seen
                > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                > (even called illusory in most
                > eastern traditions)
                >
                > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                > something entirely different.
                >
                > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                > shifts our perspective from being
                > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                > eternal, field of consciousness.
                >
                > The personal ego necessarily
                > goes through the agony of complete
                > collapse - giving way to the new
                > realization that...hang on to your
                > hat...there is a power greater
                > than we are as individuals. And
                > this "power" is beyond anything
                > we formerly thought or imagined,
                > different from personal ego..yet
                > we are still a fully functional "part"
                > of this whole unified field.
                >
                > This realization brings incredible
                > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                > free will, without the "should I or
                > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                > trusts completely in what "Is".
                > And that translates to a completely
                > free life, freedom from fear and
                > doubt, and trust in one's own
                > judgment (free will), because it is
                > known that the choices are "guided"
                > within the context of the whole
                > of existence.
                >
                > Jeff
                >
                > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                > >
                > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                awareness,
                > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                > >
                > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
                > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                > done".
                > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                > > do!"
                > > Kir Li Molari
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                > >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                >



                Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.
                Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.

              • Jeff Belyea
                Great, Sean. I d love to see some of your writing - not to critique, but to simply enjoy. Mucho gracias for the shrimp burrito recipe. Looks like a few more
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                  Great, Sean. I'd love to see some
                  of your writing - not to critique,
                  but to simply enjoy.

                  Mucho gracias for the shrimp burrito recipe.
                  Looks like a few more cold ones would
                  be necessary to get me past the jalapeno
                  and chili combine! Yeow! Sounds scrumptious.

                  When we were in the Baltimore area,
                  they used to serve chili-pepper hot
                  soft shell crabs with a pitcher of beer...

                  Next morning...wicked headache, and
                  a burn ring around the mouth. But, boy,
                  were they good (as much as I can remember).

                  About the movie:

                  The good thing is...no one can
                  tell you the ending. It must be
                  personally experienced. The joy
                  is in the journey as well as
                  the discovery...and as Rumi
                  wrote:

                  I kept knocking on the door
                  until I realized that I was
                  knocking from the inside.


                  --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                  <bethjams9@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Jeff as a matter of fact I am writing. I've been working on three
                  different pieces, one I started while I was offshore as a way to
                  keeping connected with my kids, I would e-mail them a chapter every
                  night as bed time stories. I also have a horror story for lack of a
                  better term it's a way of exercising demons and creating an exiting
                  story in the process, certain characters are formed by aspects of my
                  own psyche. I am also working on something more personal but that
                  will take a while, It's intimidating to lay yourself bare for all to
                  read but it's something I admired in guy's like Brakowski. The
                  biggest huddle is being satisfied enough with a piece to submit. We
                  can be are own worse critics (but when I see allot of junk being
                  published I suppose I can pull it off).
                  > Burritos
                  > Shrimp
                  > roasted potato's
                  > cilantro
                  > chopped peppers, Scotch bonnet, jalapeno etc.
                  > red onion
                  > balsamic, just a splash
                  > Spanish chili powder
                  > garlic
                  > Goya brand ranchero sauce
                  > In a skillet saute shrimp, peppers, and onion in olive oil add
                  garlic and roast potatoes, splash with balsamic(or white wine) add
                  chili powder to taste (if it looks good it tastes good) roll in large
                  burrito add large amounts of whole leaf cilantro and cheese
                  > cover rolled burrito in a small stream of ranchero top with more
                  cheese and bake at 350, buy time your ready to crack your second dos
                  equis the burritos will be done.
                  > Congratulations on your awakening
                  > Please don't tell me the ending
                  > I'm still watching the movie
                  >
                  >
                  > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
                  > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                  > on many points, and much of
                  > what may seem like differing
                  > points of view are more a
                  > matter of semantics.
                  >
                  > The church (especially) and
                  > most religious traditions have
                  > become a train wreck of the
                  > authentic teacher's original
                  > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                  > agree. There's no fun in
                  > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                  > religious view is the origin
                  > of just about all wars.
                  >
                  > Yes, too bad that the term
                  > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                  > something more like entrapment
                  > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                  >
                  > Your philosophy of:
                  >
                  > Eat good food
                  > fall in love
                  > raise happy kids
                  > do meaningful work
                  >
                  > is simply beautiful. There's
                  > an old Zen saying that goes
                  > something like, "Before awakening,
                  > chop wood, carry water. After
                  > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                  >
                  > I think that there is a large
                  > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                  > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                  > style is unique and very appealing.
                  > I hope that you continue to
                  > develop that gift (inheritance).
                  >
                  > Do you keep a journal or write
                  > often? Considering a book? You
                  > use great analogies and very
                  > creative metaphors.
                  >
                  > Love, as always,
                  >
                  > Jeff
                  >
                  > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                  >
                  > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                  > would you?
                  >
                  > 2. A suggested perspective:
                  >
                  > Think of the battles in the gita
                  > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                  > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                  > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                  > rather than physical battles - in terms
                  > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                  > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                  > ...awakening.
                  >
                  > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                  > I went through the door. One of the great
                  > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                  > is that they leave the seeker outside
                  > the door of awakening - leaving them
                  > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                  > in heaven" - after they die. What
                  > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                  > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                  > before I pull out my soapbox.
                  >
                  > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                  > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
                  > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                  expresion
                  > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
                  > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
                  > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                  important
                  > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
                  > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
                  > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or
                  a
                  > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
                  > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
                  > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                  bit "Willfull"
                  > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
                  > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all
                  to
                  > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
                  > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                  > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
                  > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it
                  be
                  > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by
                  it
                  > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land
                  of
                  > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                  > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
                  > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
                  > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
                  > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
                  > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
                  > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because
                  the
                  > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
                  > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
                  > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
                  > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                  > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
                  > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                  > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
                  > Good luck on your quest.
                  > > Eat good food
                  > > fall in love
                  > > raise happy kids
                  > > do meaningfull work
                  > >
                  > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                  > > Hi Sean -
                  > >
                  > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                  > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                  > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                  > > communication between two different
                  > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                  > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                  > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                  > > on levels of consciousness).
                  > >
                  > > The realization that "everything
                  > > works under one law" does not negate
                  > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                  > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                  > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                  > > free will on the mundane level -
                  > > the trance level, or the level
                  > > that we've been social coerced
                  > > to accept as "all there is".
                  > >
                  > > But when nondual realization (by
                  > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                  > > through, the personal ego gives way
                  > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                  > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                  > > all there is to being alive.
                  > >
                  > > (Here's where precision of language
                  > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                  > > personal self awareness is seen
                  > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                  > > (even called illusory in most
                  > > eastern traditions)
                  > >
                  > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                  > > something entirely different.
                  > >
                  > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                  > > shifts our perspective from being
                  > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                  > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                  > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                  > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                  > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                  > >
                  > > The personal ego necessarily
                  > > goes through the agony of complete
                  > > collapse - giving way to the new
                  > > realization that...hang on to your
                  > > hat...there is a power greater
                  > > than we are as individuals. And
                  > > this "power" is beyond anything
                  > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                  > > different from personal ego..yet
                  > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                  > > of this whole unified field.
                  > >
                  > > This realization brings incredible
                  > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                  > > free will, without the "should I or
                  > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                  > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                  > > And that translates to a completely
                  > > free life, freedom from fear and
                  > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                  > > judgment (free will), because it is
                  > > known that the choices are "guided"
                  > > within the context of the whole
                  > > of existence.
                  > >
                  > > Jeff
                  > >
                  > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                  > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                  > awareness,
                  > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                  > > >
                  > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                  > > done".
                  > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                  > > > do!"
                  > > > Kir Li Molari
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > ---------------------------------
                  > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                  > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                  > > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ---------------------------------
                  > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                  > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                  > >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > ---------------------------------
                  > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your
                  story.
                  > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
                  >
                • Aideen McKenna
                  You know what would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book. Aideen _____ From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
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                    You know what would be wonderful?  Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.

                     

                    Aideen

                     


                    From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                    Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                    To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] The Facts of Life

                     

                    Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                    on many points, and much of
                    what may seem like differing
                    points of view are more a
                    matter of semantics.

                    The church (especially) and
                    most religious traditions have
                    become a train wreck of the
                    authentic teacher's original
                    teachings. Here, we absolutely
                    agree. There's no fun in
                    fundamentalism. The fanatic
                    religious view is the origin
                    of just about all wars.

                    Yes, too bad that the term
                    "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                    something more like entrapment
                    in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".

                    Your philosophy of:

                    Eat good food
                    fall in love
                    raise happy kids
                    do meaningful work

                    is simply beautiful. There's
                    an old Zen saying that goes
                    something like, "Before awakening,
                    chop wood, carry water. After
                    awakening, chop wood, carry water."

                    I think that there is a large
                    audience for your "Scraped Knee
                    School of Philosophy ". Your writing
                    style is unique and very appealing.
                    I hope that you continue to
                    develop that gift (inheritance) .

                    Do you keep a journal or write
                    often? Considering a book? You
                    use great analogies and very
                    creative metaphors.

                    Love, as always,

                    Jeff

                    PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:

                    1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                    would you?

                    2. A suggested perspective:

                    Think of the battles in the gita
                    and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                    of the old testament or the tight-ass
                    writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                    rather than physical battles - in terms
                    of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                    the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                    ...awakening.

                    3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                    I went through the door. One of the great
                    failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                    is that they leave the seeker outside
                    the door of awakening - leaving them
                    frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                    in heaven" - after they die. What
                    unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                    bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                    before I pull out my soapbox.

                    --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                    <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:

                    >
                    > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
                    it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing expresion
                    or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
                    trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
                    course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most important
                    gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
                    the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
                    conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or a
                    kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
                    bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
                    probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a bit "Willfull"
                    and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
                    have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all to
                    reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
                    belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                    > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
                    sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it be
                    trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by it
                    from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land of
                    canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                    talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
                    as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
                    realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
                    enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
                    may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
                    this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because the
                    pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
                    not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
                    disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
                    will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                    > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
                    not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                    Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
                    Good luck on your quest.
                    > Eat good food
                    > fall in love
                    > raise happy kids
                    > do meaningfull work
                    >
                    > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
                    > Hi Sean -
                    >
                    > Yours is a reasonable response...
                    > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                    > or rather the impossibility of precise
                    > communication between two different
                    > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                    > interested, David Hawkins' book
                    > "Power vs Force" details his take
                    > on levels of consciousness) .
                    >
                    > The realization that "everything
                    > works under one law" does not negate
                    > free will, it elevates it. We can
                    > still choose between a cheeseburger
                    > and baked scallops, and exercise
                    > free will on the mundane level -
                    > the trance level, or the level
                    > that we've been social coerced
                    > to accept as "all there is".
                    >
                    > But when nondual realization (by
                    > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                    > through, the personal ego gives way
                    > to the notion that the reasonsable
                    > and rational "self awareness" is...
                    > all there is to being alive.
                    >
                    > (Here's where precision of language
                    > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                    > personal self awareness is seen
                    > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                    > (even called illusory in most
                    > eastern traditions)
                    >
                    > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                    > something entirely different.
                    >
                    > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                    > shifts our perspective from being
                    > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                    > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                    > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                    > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                    > eternal, field of consciousness.
                    >
                    > The personal ego necessarily
                    > goes through the agony of complete
                    > collapse - giving way to the new
                    > realization that...hang on to your
                    > hat...there is a power greater
                    > than we are as individuals. And
                    > this "power" is beyond anything
                    > we formerly thought or imagined,
                    > different from personal ego..yet
                    > we are still a fully functional "part"
                    > of this whole unified field.
                    >
                    > This realization brings incredible
                    > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                    > free will, without the "should I or
                    > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                    > trusts completely in what "Is".
                    > And that translates to a completely
                    > free life, freedom from fear and
                    > doubt, and trust in one's own
                    > judgment (free will), because it is
                    > known that the choices are "guided"
                    > within the context of the whole
                    > of existence.
                    >
                    > Jeff
                    >
                    > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com,
                    sean tremblay
                    > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                    awareness,
                    > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                    > >
                    > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
                    > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                    > done".
                    > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                    > > do!"
                    > > Kir Li Molari
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                    > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                    > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                    > >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                    > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                    > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                    >

                  • sean tremblay
                    Thanks Aideen Aideen McKenna wrote: You know what would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book. Aideen
                    Message 9 of 26 , May 31, 2007
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                      Thanks Aideen

                      Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@...> wrote:
                      You know what would be wonderful?  Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
                      Aideen

                      From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                      Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                      To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                      Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] The Facts of Life
                      Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                      on many points, and much of
                      what may seem like differing
                      points of view are more a
                      matter of semantics.

                      The church (especially) and
                      most religious traditions have
                      become a train wreck of the
                      authentic teacher's original
                      teachings. Here, we absolutely
                      agree. There's no fun in
                      fundamentalism. The fanatic
                      religious view is the origin
                      of just about all wars.

                      Yes, too bad that the term
                      "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                      something more like entrapment
                      in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".

                      Your philosophy of:

                      Eat good food
                      fall in love
                      raise happy kids
                      do meaningful work

                      is simply beautiful. There's
                      an old Zen saying that goes
                      something like, "Before awakening,
                      chop wood, carry water. After
                      awakening, chop wood, carry water."

                      I think that there is a large
                      audience for your "Scraped Knee
                      School of Philosophy ". Your writing
                      style is unique and very appealing.
                      I hope that you continue to
                      develop that gift (inheritance) .

                      Do you keep a journal or write
                      often? Considering a book? You
                      use great analogies and very
                      creative metaphors.

                      Love, as always,

                      Jeff

                      PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:

                      1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                      would you?

                      2. A suggested perspective:

                      Think of the battles in the gita
                      and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                      of the old testament or the tight-ass
                      writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                      rather than physical battles - in terms
                      of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                      the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                      ...awakening.

                      3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                      I went through the door. One of the great
                      failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                      is that they leave the seeker outside
                      the door of awakening - leaving them
                      frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                      in heaven" - after they die. What
                      unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                      bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                      before I pull out my soapbox.

                      --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                      <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:
                      >
                      > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
                      it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing expresion
                      or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
                      trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
                      course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most important
                      gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
                      the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
                      conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or a
                      kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
                      bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
                      probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a bit "Willfull"
                      and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
                      have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all to
                      reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
                      belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                      > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
                      sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it be
                      trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by it
                      from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land of
                      canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                      talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
                      as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
                      realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
                      enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
                      may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
                      this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because the
                      pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
                      not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
                      disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
                      will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                      > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
                      not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                      Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
                      Good luck on your quest.
                      > Eat good food
                      > fall in love
                      > raise happy kids
                      > do meaningfull work
                      >
                      > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
                      > Hi Sean -
                      >
                      > Yours is a reasonable response...
                      > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                      > or rather the impossibility of precise
                      > communication between two different
                      > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                      > interested, David Hawkins' book
                      > "Power vs Force" details his take
                      > on levels of consciousness) .
                      >
                      > The realization that "everything
                      > works under one law" does not negate
                      > free will, it elevates it. We can
                      > still choose between a cheeseburger
                      > and baked scallops, and exercise
                      > free will on the mundane level -
                      > the trance level, or the level
                      > that we've been social coerced
                      > to accept as "all there is".
                      >
                      > But when nondual realization (by
                      > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                      > through, the personal ego gives way
                      > to the notion that the reasonsable
                      > and rational "self awareness" is...
                      > all there is to being alive.
                      >
                      > (Here's where precision of language
                      > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                      > personal self awareness is seen
                      > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                      > (even called illusory in most
                      > eastern traditions)
                      >
                      > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                      > something entirely different.
                      >
                      > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                      > shifts our perspective from being
                      > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                      > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                      > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                      > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                      > eternal, field of consciousness.
                      >
                      > The personal ego necessarily
                      > goes through the agony of complete
                      > collapse - giving way to the new
                      > realization that...hang on to your
                      > hat...there is a power greater
                      > than we are as individuals. And
                      > this "power" is beyond anything
                      > we formerly thought or imagined,
                      > different from personal ego..yet
                      > we are still a fully functional "part"
                      > of this whole unified field.
                      >
                      > This realization brings incredible
                      > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                      > free will, without the "should I or
                      > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                      > trusts completely in what "Is".
                      > And that translates to a completely
                      > free life, freedom from fear and
                      > doubt, and trust in one's own
                      > judgment (free will), because it is
                      > known that the choices are "guided"
                      > within the context of the whole
                      > of existence.
                      >
                      > Jeff
                      >
                      > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                      > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                      awareness,
                      > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                      > >
                      > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
                      > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                      > done".
                      > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                      > > do!"
                      > > Kir Li Molari
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                      > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                      > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                      > >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                      > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                      > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                      >


                      Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows.
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                    • Jeff Belyea
                      Interesting concept. Maybe in a dialogue format - like we are doing here. Any title suggestions? ... would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay
                      Message 10 of 26 , May 31, 2007
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                        Interesting concept. Maybe in a "dialogue"
                        format - like we are doing here. Any title
                        suggestions?

                        --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                        <bethjams9@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Thanks Aideen
                        >
                        > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@...> wrote: You know what
                        would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
                        >
                        > Aideen
                        >
                        >
                        > ---------------------------------
                        >
                        > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                        [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
                        Belyea
                        > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                        > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                        > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
                        >
                        >
                        > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                        > on many points, and much of
                        > what may seem like differing
                        > points of view are more a
                        > matter of semantics.
                        >
                        > The church (especially) and
                        > most religious traditions have
                        > become a train wreck of the
                        > authentic teacher's original
                        > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                        > agree. There's no fun in
                        > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                        > religious view is the origin
                        > of just about all wars.
                        >
                        > Yes, too bad that the term
                        > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                        > something more like entrapment
                        > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                        >
                        > Your philosophy of:
                        >
                        > Eat good food
                        > fall in love
                        > raise happy kids
                        > do meaningful work
                        >
                        > is simply beautiful. There's
                        > an old Zen saying that goes
                        > something like, "Before awakening,
                        > chop wood, carry water. After
                        > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                        >
                        > I think that there is a large
                        > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                        > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                        > style is unique and very appealing.
                        > I hope that you continue to
                        > develop that gift (inheritance).
                        >
                        > Do you keep a journal or write
                        > often? Considering a book? You
                        > use great analogies and very
                        > creative metaphors.
                        >
                        > Love, as always,
                        >
                        > Jeff
                        >
                        > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                        >
                        > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                        > would you?
                        >
                        > 2. A suggested perspective:
                        >
                        > Think of the battles in the gita
                        > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                        > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                        > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                        > rather than physical battles - in terms
                        > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                        > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                        > ...awakening.
                        >
                        > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                        > I went through the door. One of the great
                        > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                        > is that they leave the seeker outside
                        > the door of awakening - leaving them
                        > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                        > in heaven" - after they die. What
                        > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                        > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                        > before I pull out my soapbox.
                        >
                        > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                        > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
                        > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                        expresion
                        > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
                        > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
                        > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                        important
                        > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
                        > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
                        > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or
                        a
                        > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
                        > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
                        > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                        bit "Willfull"
                        > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
                        > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all
                        to
                        > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
                        > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                        > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
                        > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it
                        be
                        > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by
                        it
                        > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land
                        of
                        > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                        > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
                        > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
                        > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
                        > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
                        > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
                        > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because
                        the
                        > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
                        > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
                        > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
                        > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                        > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
                        > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                        > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
                        > Good luck on your quest.
                        > > Eat good food
                        > > fall in love
                        > > raise happy kids
                        > > do meaningfull work
                        > >
                        > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                        > > Hi Sean -
                        > >
                        > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                        > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                        > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                        > > communication between two different
                        > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                        > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                        > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                        > > on levels of consciousness).
                        > >
                        > > The realization that "everything
                        > > works under one law" does not negate
                        > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                        > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                        > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                        > > free will on the mundane level -
                        > > the trance level, or the level
                        > > that we've been social coerced
                        > > to accept as "all there is".
                        > >
                        > > But when nondual realization (by
                        > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                        > > through, the personal ego gives way
                        > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                        > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                        > > all there is to being alive.
                        > >
                        > > (Here's where precision of language
                        > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                        > > personal self awareness is seen
                        > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                        > > (even called illusory in most
                        > > eastern traditions)
                        > >
                        > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                        > > something entirely different.
                        > >
                        > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                        > > shifts our perspective from being
                        > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                        > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                        > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                        > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                        > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                        > >
                        > > The personal ego necessarily
                        > > goes through the agony of complete
                        > > collapse - giving way to the new
                        > > realization that...hang on to your
                        > > hat...there is a power greater
                        > > than we are as individuals. And
                        > > this "power" is beyond anything
                        > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                        > > different from personal ego..yet
                        > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                        > > of this whole unified field.
                        > >
                        > > This realization brings incredible
                        > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                        > > free will, without the "should I or
                        > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                        > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                        > > And that translates to a completely
                        > > free life, freedom from fear and
                        > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                        > > judgment (free will), because it is
                        > > known that the choices are "guided"
                        > > within the context of the whole
                        > > of existence.
                        > >
                        > > Jeff
                        > >
                        > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                        > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                        > awareness,
                        > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                        > > >
                        > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                        > > done".
                        > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                        > > > do!"
                        > > > Kir Li Molari
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > ---------------------------------
                        > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                        > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > ---------------------------------
                        > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                        > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                        > >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > ---------------------------------
                        > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone
                        who knows.
                        > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                        >
                      • sean tremblay
                        fly in the ointment Jeff Belyea wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe in a dialogue format - like we are doing here. Any title
                        Message 11 of 26 , May 31, 2007
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                          fly in the ointment

                          Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
                          Interesting concept. Maybe in a "dialogue"
                          format - like we are doing here. Any title
                          suggestions?

                          --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                          <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:
                          >
                          > Thanks Aideen
                          >
                          > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@. ..> wrote: You know what
                          would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
                          >
                          > Aideen
                          >
                          >
                          > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                          >
                          > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                          [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
                          Belyea
                          > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                          > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                          > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
                          >
                          >
                          > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                          > on many points, and much of
                          > what may seem like differing
                          > points of view are more a
                          > matter of semantics.
                          >
                          > The church (especially) and
                          > most religious traditions have
                          > become a train wreck of the
                          > authentic teacher's original
                          > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                          > agree. There's no fun in
                          > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                          > religious view is the origin
                          > of just about all wars.
                          >
                          > Yes, too bad that the term
                          > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                          > something more like entrapment
                          > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                          >
                          > Your philosophy of:
                          >
                          > Eat good food
                          > fall in love
                          > raise happy kids
                          > do meaningful work
                          >
                          > is simply beautiful. There's
                          > an old Zen saying that goes
                          > something like, "Before awakening,
                          > chop wood, carry water. After
                          > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                          >
                          > I think that there is a large
                          > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                          > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                          > style is unique and very appealing.
                          > I hope that you continue to
                          > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                          >
                          > Do you keep a journal or write
                          > often? Considering a book? You
                          > use great analogies and very
                          > creative metaphors.
                          >
                          > Love, as always,
                          >
                          > Jeff
                          >
                          > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                          >
                          > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                          > would you?
                          >
                          > 2. A suggested perspective:
                          >
                          > Think of the battles in the gita
                          > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                          > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                          > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                          > rather than physical battles - in terms
                          > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                          > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                          > ...awakening.
                          >
                          > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                          > I went through the door. One of the great
                          > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                          > is that they leave the seeker outside
                          > the door of awakening - leaving them
                          > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                          > in heaven" - after they die. What
                          > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                          > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                          > before I pull out my soapbox.
                          >
                          > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                          > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
                          > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                          expresion
                          > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
                          > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
                          > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                          important
                          > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
                          > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
                          > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or
                          a
                          > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
                          > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
                          > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                          bit "Willfull"
                          > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
                          > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all
                          to
                          > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
                          > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                          > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
                          > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it
                          be
                          > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by
                          it
                          > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land
                          of
                          > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                          > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
                          > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
                          > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
                          > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
                          > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
                          > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because
                          the
                          > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
                          > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
                          > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
                          > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                          > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
                          > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                          > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
                          > Good luck on your quest.
                          > > Eat good food
                          > > fall in love
                          > > raise happy kids
                          > > do meaningfull work
                          > >
                          > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                          > > Hi Sean -
                          > >
                          > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                          > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                          > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                          > > communication between two different
                          > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                          > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                          > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                          > > on levels of consciousness) .
                          > >
                          > > The realization that "everything
                          > > works under one law" does not negate
                          > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                          > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                          > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                          > > free will on the mundane level -
                          > > the trance level, or the level
                          > > that we've been social coerced
                          > > to accept as "all there is".
                          > >
                          > > But when nondual realization (by
                          > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                          > > through, the personal ego gives way
                          > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                          > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                          > > all there is to being alive.
                          > >
                          > > (Here's where precision of language
                          > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                          > > personal self awareness is seen
                          > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                          > > (even called illusory in most
                          > > eastern traditions)
                          > >
                          > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                          > > something entirely different.
                          > >
                          > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                          > > shifts our perspective from being
                          > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                          > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                          > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                          > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                          > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                          > >
                          > > The personal ego necessarily
                          > > goes through the agony of complete
                          > > collapse - giving way to the new
                          > > realization that...hang on to your
                          > > hat...there is a power greater
                          > > than we are as individuals. And
                          > > this "power" is beyond anything
                          > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                          > > different from personal ego..yet
                          > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                          > > of this whole unified field.
                          > >
                          > > This realization brings incredible
                          > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                          > > free will, without the "should I or
                          > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                          > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                          > > And that translates to a completely
                          > > free life, freedom from fear and
                          > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                          > > judgment (free will), because it is
                          > > known that the choices are "guided"
                          > > within the context of the whole
                          > > of existence.
                          > >
                          > > Jeff
                          > >
                          > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                          > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                          > awareness,
                          > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                          > > >
                          > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
                          > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                          > > done".
                          > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                          > > > do!"
                          > > > Kir Li Molari
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                          > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                          > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                          > > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                          > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                          > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                          > >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                          > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone
                          who knows.
                          > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                          >



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                        • Jeff Belyea
                          I like it. Maybe... the fly gets annointed. ... in a dialogue ... Jeff ... of ... and ... or ... the ... I ... it ... land ... board. ... what ... of ...
                          Message 12 of 26 , Jun 1, 2007
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                            I like it. Maybe...

                            the fly gets annointed.

                            --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                            <bethjams9@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > fly in the ointment
                            >
                            > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                            in a "dialogue"
                            > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                            > suggestions?
                            >
                            > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                            > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > Thanks Aideen
                            > >
                            > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                            > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
                            > >
                            > > Aideen
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > ---------------------------------
                            > >
                            > > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                            > [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                            Jeff
                            > Belyea
                            > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                            > > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                            > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                            > > on many points, and much of
                            > > what may seem like differing
                            > > points of view are more a
                            > > matter of semantics.
                            > >
                            > > The church (especially) and
                            > > most religious traditions have
                            > > become a train wreck of the
                            > > authentic teacher's original
                            > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                            > > agree. There's no fun in
                            > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                            > > religious view is the origin
                            > > of just about all wars.
                            > >
                            > > Yes, too bad that the term
                            > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                            > > something more like entrapment
                            > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                            > >
                            > > Your philosophy of:
                            > >
                            > > Eat good food
                            > > fall in love
                            > > raise happy kids
                            > > do meaningful work
                            > >
                            > > is simply beautiful. There's
                            > > an old Zen saying that goes
                            > > something like, "Before awakening,
                            > > chop wood, carry water. After
                            > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                            > >
                            > > I think that there is a large
                            > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                            > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                            > > style is unique and very appealing.
                            > > I hope that you continue to
                            > > develop that gift (inheritance).
                            > >
                            > > Do you keep a journal or write
                            > > often? Considering a book? You
                            > > use great analogies and very
                            > > creative metaphors.
                            > >
                            > > Love, as always,
                            > >
                            > > Jeff
                            > >
                            > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                            > >
                            > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                            > > would you?
                            > >
                            > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                            > >
                            > > Think of the battles in the gita
                            > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                            > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                            > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                            > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                            > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                            > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                            > > ...awakening.
                            > >
                            > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                            > > I went through the door. One of the great
                            > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                            > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                            > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                            > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                            > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                            > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                            > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                            > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                            > >
                            > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                            > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
                            > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                            > expresion
                            > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
                            > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and
                            of
                            > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                            > important
                            > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
                            > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest
                            and
                            > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis
                            or
                            > a
                            > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe
                            the
                            > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
                            > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                            > bit "Willfull"
                            > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem
                            I
                            > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all
                            > to
                            > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
                            > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                            > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
                            > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let
                            it
                            > be
                            > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by
                            > it
                            > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the
                            land
                            > of
                            > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                            > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on
                            board.
                            > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But
                            what
                            > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake
                            of
                            > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                            person
                            > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                            enlightenment
                            > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because
                            > the
                            > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language
                            does
                            > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
                            > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
                            > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                            > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
                            > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                            > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                            delusional.
                            > > Good luck on your quest.
                            > > > Eat good food
                            > > > fall in love
                            > > > raise happy kids
                            > > > do meaningfull work
                            > > >
                            > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                            > > > Hi Sean -
                            > > >
                            > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                            > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                            > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                            > > > communication between two different
                            > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                            > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                            > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                            > > > on levels of consciousness).
                            > > >
                            > > > The realization that "everything
                            > > > works under one law" does not negate
                            > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                            > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                            > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                            > > > free will on the mundane level -
                            > > > the trance level, or the level
                            > > > that we've been social coerced
                            > > > to accept as "all there is".
                            > > >
                            > > > But when nondual realization (by
                            > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                            > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                            > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                            > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                            > > > all there is to being alive.
                            > > >
                            > > > (Here's where precision of language
                            > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                            > > > personal self awareness is seen
                            > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                            > > > (even called illusory in most
                            > > > eastern traditions)
                            > > >
                            > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                            > > > something entirely different.
                            > > >
                            > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                            > > > shifts our perspective from being
                            > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                            > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                            > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                            > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                            > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                            > > >
                            > > > The personal ego necessarily
                            > > > goes through the agony of complete
                            > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                            > > > realization that...hang on to your
                            > > > hat...there is a power greater
                            > > > than we are as individuals. And
                            > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                            > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                            > > > different from personal ego..yet
                            > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                            > > > of this whole unified field.
                            > > >
                            > > > This realization brings incredible
                            > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                            > > > free will, without the "should I or
                            > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                            > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                            > > > And that translates to a completely
                            > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                            > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                            > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                            > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                            > > > within the context of the whole
                            > > > of existence.
                            > > >
                            > > > Jeff
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                            tremblay
                            > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                            > > awareness,
                            > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                            > > > >
                            > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                            > > > done".
                            > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                            > > > > do!"
                            > > > > Kir Li Molari
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > ---------------------------------
                            > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                            > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                            > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > ---------------------------------
                            > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                            > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > ---------------------------------
                            > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone
                            > who knows.
                            > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                            > >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > ---------------------------------
                            > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
                            web links.
                            >
                          • Jeff Belyea
                            Just for clarification: Annointed (usally spelled anointed ) is a combination word, meaning - annoyed and anointed. ... tremblay ... know ... and ... in ...
                            Message 13 of 26 , Jun 1, 2007
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                              Just for clarification:

                              "Annointed" (usally spelled
                              "anointed") is a combination
                              word, meaning - annoyed and
                              anointed.

                              --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
                              <jeff@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > I like it. Maybe...
                              >
                              > the fly gets annointed.
                              >
                              > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                              > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > fly in the ointment
                              > >
                              > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                              > in a "dialogue"
                              > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                              > > suggestions?
                              > >
                              > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                              > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > Thanks Aideen
                              > > >
                              > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                              > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
                              > > >
                              > > > Aideen
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > ---------------------------------
                              > > >
                              > > > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                              > > [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                              > Jeff
                              > > Belyea
                              > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                              > > > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                              > > > on many points, and much of
                              > > > what may seem like differing
                              > > > points of view are more a
                              > > > matter of semantics.
                              > > >
                              > > > The church (especially) and
                              > > > most religious traditions have
                              > > > become a train wreck of the
                              > > > authentic teacher's original
                              > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                              > > > agree. There's no fun in
                              > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                              > > > religious view is the origin
                              > > > of just about all wars.
                              > > >
                              > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                              > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                              > > > something more like entrapment
                              > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                              > > >
                              > > > Your philosophy of:
                              > > >
                              > > > Eat good food
                              > > > fall in love
                              > > > raise happy kids
                              > > > do meaningful work
                              > > >
                              > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                              > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                              > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                              > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                              > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                              > > >
                              > > > I think that there is a large
                              > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                              > > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                              > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                              > > > I hope that you continue to
                              > > > develop that gift (inheritance).
                              > > >
                              > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                              > > > often? Considering a book? You
                              > > > use great analogies and very
                              > > > creative metaphors.
                              > > >
                              > > > Love, as always,
                              > > >
                              > > > Jeff
                              > > >
                              > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                              > > >
                              > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                              > > > would you?
                              > > >
                              > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                              > > >
                              > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                              > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                              > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                              > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                              > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                              > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                              > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                              > > > ...awakening.
                              > > >
                              > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                              > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                              > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                              > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                              > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                              > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                              > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                              > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                              > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                              > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                              > > >
                              > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                              tremblay
                              > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also
                              know
                              > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                              > > expresion
                              > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
                              > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul"
                              and
                              > of
                              > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                              > > important
                              > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal
                              in
                              > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest
                              > and
                              > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                              Davis
                              > or
                              > > a
                              > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe
                              > the
                              > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass
                              it's
                              > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                              > > bit "Willfull"
                              > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                              problem
                              > I
                              > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is
                              all
                              > > to
                              > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                              bomb
                              > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                              > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
                              > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let
                              > it
                              > > be
                              > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I
                              by
                              > > it
                              > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the
                              > land
                              > > of
                              > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                              > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on
                              > board.
                              > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But
                              > what
                              > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                              sake
                              > of
                              > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                              > person
                              > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                              > enlightenment
                              > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                              because
                              > > the
                              > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language
                              > does
                              > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So
                              I
                              > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                              without
                              > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                              > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one
                              do
                              > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                              > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                              > delusional.
                              > > > Good luck on your quest.
                              > > > > Eat good food
                              > > > > fall in love
                              > > > > raise happy kids
                              > > > > do meaningfull work
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                              > > > > Hi Sean -
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                              > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                              > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                              > > > > communication between two different
                              > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                              > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                              > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                              > > > > on levels of consciousness).
                              > > > >
                              > > > > The realization that "everything
                              > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                              > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                              > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                              > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                              > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                              > > > > the trance level, or the level
                              > > > > that we've been social coerced
                              > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                              > > > >
                              > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                              > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                              > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                              > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                              > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                              > > > > all there is to being alive.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                              > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                              > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                              > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                              > > > > (even called illusory in most
                              > > > > eastern traditions)
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                              > > > > something entirely different.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                              > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                              > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                              > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                              > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                              > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                              > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                              > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                              > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                              > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                              > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                              > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                              > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                              > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                              > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                              > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                              > > > > of this whole unified field.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > This realization brings incredible
                              > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                              > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                              > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                              > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                              > > > > And that translates to a completely
                              > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                              > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                              > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                              > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                              > > > > within the context of the whole
                              > > > > of existence.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Jeff
                              > > > >
                              > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                              > tremblay
                              > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                              > > > awareness,
                              > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                              > > > > done".
                              > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                              > > > > > do!"
                              > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > ---------------------------------
                              > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                              > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > ---------------------------------
                              > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                              > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                              > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > ---------------------------------
                              > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
                              someone
                              > > who knows.
                              > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > ---------------------------------
                              > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
                              > web links.
                              > >
                              >
                            • sean tremblay
                              I dig it, maybe there s a publisher in the chat group Jeff Belyea wrote: Just for clarification: Annointed (usally spelled
                              Message 14 of 26 , Jun 1, 2007
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                                I dig it,  maybe there's a publisher in the chat group

                                Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
                                Just for clarification:

                                "Annointed" (usally spelled
                                "anointed") is a combination
                                word, meaning - annoyed and
                                anointed.

                                --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
                                <jeff@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > I like it. Maybe...
                                >
                                > the fly gets annointed.
                                >
                                > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                                > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > fly in the ointment
                                > >
                                > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                                > in a "dialogue"
                                > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                                > > suggestions?
                                > >
                                > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                                > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > Thanks Aideen
                                > > >
                                > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                                > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
                                > > >
                                > > > Aideen
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                > > >
                                > > > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                > > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of
                                > Jeff
                                > > Belyea
                                > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                                > > > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                                > > > on many points, and much of
                                > > > what may seem like differing
                                > > > points of view are more a
                                > > > matter of semantics.
                                > > >
                                > > > The church (especially) and
                                > > > most religious traditions have
                                > > > become a train wreck of the
                                > > > authentic teacher's original
                                > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                                > > > agree. There's no fun in
                                > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                                > > > religious view is the origin
                                > > > of just about all wars.
                                > > >
                                > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                                > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                                > > > something more like entrapment
                                > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                                > > >
                                > > > Your philosophy of:
                                > > >
                                > > > Eat good food
                                > > > fall in love
                                > > > raise happy kids
                                > > > do meaningful work
                                > > >
                                > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                                > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                                > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                                > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                                > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                                > > >
                                > > > I think that there is a large
                                > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                                > > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                                > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                                > > > I hope that you continue to
                                > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                                > > >
                                > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                                > > > often? Considering a book? You
                                > > > use great analogies and very
                                > > > creative metaphors.
                                > > >
                                > > > Love, as always,
                                > > >
                                > > > Jeff
                                > > >
                                > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                                > > >
                                > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                                > > > would you?
                                > > >
                                > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                                > > >
                                > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                                > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                                > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                                > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                                > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                                > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                                > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                                > > > ...awakening.
                                > > >
                                > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                                > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                                > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                                > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                                > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                                > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                                > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                                > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                                > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                                > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                                > > >
                                > > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
                                tremblay
                                > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also
                                know
                                > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                                > > expresion
                                > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
                                > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul"
                                and
                                > of
                                > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                                > > important
                                > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal
                                in
                                > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest
                                > and
                                > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                                Davis
                                > or
                                > > a
                                > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe
                                > the
                                > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass
                                it's
                                > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                                > > bit "Willfull"
                                > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                                problem
                                > I
                                > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is
                                all
                                > > to
                                > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                                bomb
                                > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                                > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
                                > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let
                                > it
                                > > be
                                > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I
                                by
                                > > it
                                > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the
                                > land
                                > > of
                                > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                                > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on
                                > board.
                                > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But
                                > what
                                > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                                sake
                                > of
                                > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                                > person
                                > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                                > enlightenment
                                > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                                because
                                > > the
                                > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language
                                > does
                                > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So
                                I
                                > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                                without
                                > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                                > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one
                                do
                                > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                                > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                                > delusional.
                                > > > Good luck on your quest.
                                > > > > Eat good food
                                > > > > fall in love
                                > > > > raise happy kids
                                > > > > do meaningfull work
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                                > > > > Hi Sean -
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                                > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                                > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                                > > > > communication between two different
                                > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                                > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                                > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                                > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                                > > > >
                                > > > > The realization that "everything
                                > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                                > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                                > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                                > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                                > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                                > > > > the trance level, or the level
                                > > > > that we've been social coerced
                                > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                                > > > >
                                > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                                > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                                > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                                > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                                > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                                > > > > all there is to being alive.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                                > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                                > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                                > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                                > > > > (even called illusory in most
                                > > > > eastern traditions)
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                                > > > > something entirely different.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                                > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                                > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                                > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                                > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                                > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                                > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                                > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                                > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                                > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                                > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                                > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                                > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                                > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                                > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                                > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                                > > > > of this whole unified field.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > This realization brings incredible
                                > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                                > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                                > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                                > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                                > > > > And that translates to a completely
                                > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                                > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                                > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                                > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                                > > > > within the context of the whole
                                > > > > of existence.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Jeff
                                > > > >
                                > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
                                > tremblay
                                > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                                > > > awareness,
                                > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
                                > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                                > > > > done".
                                > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                                > > > > > do!"
                                > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                                > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                                > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                                > > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
                                someone
                                > > who knows.
                                > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
                                > web links.
                                > >
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                                  Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                                  privately and we'll work out the details.

                                  jeff@...

                                  --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                                  <bethjams9@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                                  >
                                  > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote: Just for clarification:
                                  >
                                  > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                                  > "anointed") is a combination
                                  > word, meaning - annoyed and
                                  > anointed.
                                  >
                                  > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
                                  > <jeff@> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > I like it. Maybe...
                                  > >
                                  > > the fly gets annointed.
                                  > >
                                  > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                                  > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > fly in the ointment
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                                  > > in a "dialogue"
                                  > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                                  > > > suggestions?
                                  > > >
                                  > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                                  tremblay
                                  > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Thanks Aideen
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                                  > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                                  book.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Aideen
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > ---------------------------------
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                                  Of
                                  > > Jeff
                                  > > > Belyea
                                  > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                                  > > > > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                                  > > > > on many points, and much of
                                  > > > > what may seem like differing
                                  > > > > points of view are more a
                                  > > > > matter of semantics.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > The church (especially) and
                                  > > > > most religious traditions have
                                  > > > > become a train wreck of the
                                  > > > > authentic teacher's original
                                  > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                                  > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                                  > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                                  > > > > religious view is the origin
                                  > > > > of just about all wars.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                                  > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                                  > > > > something more like entrapment
                                  > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Your philosophy of:
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Eat good food
                                  > > > > fall in love
                                  > > > > raise happy kids
                                  > > > > do meaningful work
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                                  > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                                  > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                                  > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                                  > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > I think that there is a large
                                  > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                                  > > > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                                  > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                                  > > > > I hope that you continue to
                                  > > > > develop that gift (inheritance).
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                                  > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                                  > > > > use great analogies and very
                                  > > > > creative metaphors.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Love, as always,
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Jeff
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                                  > > > > would you?
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                                  > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                                  > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                                  > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                                  > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                                  > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                                  > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                                  > > > > ...awakening.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                                  > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                                  > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                                  > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                                  > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                                  > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                                  > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                                  > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                                  > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                                  > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                                  > tremblay
                                  > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also
                                  > know
                                  > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                                  > > > expresion
                                  > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                                  been
                                  > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul"
                                  > and
                                  > > of
                                  > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                                  > > > important
                                  > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                                  animal
                                  > in
                                  > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                                  manifest
                                  > > and
                                  > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                                  > Davis
                                  > > or
                                  > > > a
                                  > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                                  believe
                                  > > the
                                  > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass
                                  > it's
                                  > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                                  > > > bit "Willfull"
                                  > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                                  > problem
                                  > > I
                                  > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is
                                  > all
                                  > > > to
                                  > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                                  > bomb
                                  > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                                  > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                                  same
                                  > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                                  let
                                  > > it
                                  > > > be
                                  > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did
                                  I
                                  > by
                                  > > > it
                                  > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the
                                  > > land
                                  > > > of
                                  > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
                                  > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on
                                  > > board.
                                  > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                                  But
                                  > > what
                                  > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                                  > sake
                                  > > of
                                  > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                                  > > person
                                  > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                                  > > enlightenment
                                  > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                                  > because
                                  > > > the
                                  > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                                  language
                                  > > does
                                  > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy)
                                  So
                                  > I
                                  > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                                  > without
                                  > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                                  > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one
                                  > do
                                  > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                                  > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                                  > > delusional.
                                  > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                                  > > > > > Eat good food
                                  > > > > > fall in love
                                  > > > > > raise happy kids
                                  > > > > > do meaningfull work
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                                  > > > > > Hi Sean -
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                                  > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                                  > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                                  > > > > > communication between two different
                                  > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                                  > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                                  > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                                  > > > > > on levels of consciousness).
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > The realization that "everything
                                  > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                                  > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                                  > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                                  > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                                  > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                                  > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                                  > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                                  > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                                  > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                                  > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                                  > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                                  > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                                  > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                                  > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                                  > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                                  > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                                  > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                                  > > > > > eastern traditions)
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                                  > > > > > something entirely different.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                                  > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                                  > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                                  > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                                  > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                                  > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                                  > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                                  > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                                  > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                                  > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                                  > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                                  > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                                  > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                                  > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                                  > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                                  > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                                  > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                                  > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                                  > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                                  > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                                  > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                                  > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                                  > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                                  > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                                  > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                                  > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                                  > > > > > within the context of the whole
                                  > > > > > of existence.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Jeff
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
                                  > > tremblay
                                  > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                                  > > > > awareness,
                                  > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                                  > > > > > done".
                                  > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                                  > > > > > > do!"
                                  > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > ---------------------------------
                                  > > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                                  > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > ---------------------------------
                                  > > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                                  > > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > ---------------------------------
                                  > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
                                  > someone
                                  > > > who knows.
                                  > > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > ---------------------------------
                                  > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers,
                                  not
                                  > > web links.
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ---------------------------------
                                  > Got a little couch potato?
                                  > Check out fun summer activities for kids.
                                  >
                                • Aideen McKenna
                                  When you two are on Oprah discussing your smash about-to-be-a-movie bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a suggestion from some
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                                    When you two are on “Oprah” discussing your smash about-to-be-a-movie bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a suggestion from some elderly Canadian lady.

                                     


                                    From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                                    Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                                    To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)

                                     

                                    Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                                    privately and we'll work out the details.

                                    jeff@mindgoal. com

                                    --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
                                    <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:

                                    >
                                    > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                                    >
                                    > Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote: Just for clarification:
                                    >
                                    > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                                    > "anointed") is a combination
                                    > word, meaning - annoyed and
                                    > anointed.
                                    >
                                    > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com,
                                    "Jeff Belyea"
                                    > <jeff@> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > I like it. Maybe...
                                    > >
                                    > > the fly gets annointed.
                                    > >
                                    > > --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com,
                                    sean tremblay
                                    > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > fly in the ointment
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                                    > > in a "dialogue"
                                    > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                                    > > > suggestions?
                                    > > >
                                    > > > --- In
                                    href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
                                    tremblay
                                    > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Thanks Aideen
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                                    > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                                    book.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Aideen
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > From:
                                    href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                    > > > [mailto:
                                    href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf
                                    Of
                                    > > Jeff
                                    > > > Belyea
                                    > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                                    > > > > To:
                                    href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                    > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of
                                    w:st="on"> America ] The Facts of Life
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                                    > > > > on many points, and much of
                                    > > > > what may seem like differing
                                    > > > > points of view are more a
                                    > > > > matter of semantics.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > The church (especially) and
                                    > > > > most religious traditions have
                                    > > > > become a train wreck of the
                                    > > > > authentic teacher's original
                                    > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                                    > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                                    > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                                    > > > > religious view is the origin
                                    > > > > of just about all wars.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                                    > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                                    > > > > something more like entrapment
                                    > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Your philosophy of:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Eat good food
                                    > > > > fall in love
                                    > > > > raise happy kids
                                    > > > > do meaningful work
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                                    > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                                    > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                                    > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                                    > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > I think that there is a large
                                    > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                                    > > > > School
                                    of Philosophy ". Your writing
                                    > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                                    > > > > I hope that you continue to
                                    > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                                    > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                                    > > > > use great analogies and very
                                    > > > > creative metaphors.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Love, as always,
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Jeff
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                                    > > > > would you?
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                                    > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                                    > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                                    > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                                    > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                                    > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                                    > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                                    > > > > ...awakening.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                                    > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                                    > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                                    > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                                    > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                                    > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                                    > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                                    > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                                    > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                                    > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > --- In
                                    href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
                                    > tremblay
                                    > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                                    also
                                    > know
                                    > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                                    > > > expresion
                                    > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                                    been
                                    > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                                    the "Soul"
                                    > and
                                    > > of
                                    > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the
                                    humanities most
                                    > > > important
                                    > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                                    animal
                                    > in
                                    > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                                    manifest
                                    > > and
                                    > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                                    > Davis
                                    > > or
                                    > > > a
                                    > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                                    believe
                                    > > the
                                    > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I
                                    sound crass
                                    > it's
                                    > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                                    > > > bit "Willfull"
                                    > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                                    > problem
                                    > > I
                                    > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                                    is
                                    > all
                                    > > > to
                                    > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality
                                    that leads to
                                    > bomb
                                    > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                                    > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I
                                    read of the
                                    same
                                    > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                                    let
                                    > > it
                                    > > > be
                                    > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                                    did
                                    I
                                    > by
                                    > > > it
                                    > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                                    the
                                    > > land
                                    > > > of
                                    > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                                    are
                                    > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                                    on
                                    > > board.
                                    > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                                    But
                                    > > what
                                    > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                                    > sake
                                    > > of
                                    > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                                    > > person
                                    > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                                    > > enlightenment
                                    > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                                    > because
                                    > > > the
                                    > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                                    language
                                    > > does
                                    > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                                    (Spiritualy)
                                    So
                                    > I
                                    > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                                    > without
                                    > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                                    > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I
                                    for one
                                    > do
                                    > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                                    > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                                    > > delusional.
                                    > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                                    > > > > > Eat good food
                                    > > > > > fall in love
                                    > > > > > raise happy kids
                                    > > > > > do meaningfull work
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                                    > > > > > Hi Sean -
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                                    > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                                    > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                                    > > > > > communication between two different
                                    > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                                    > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                                    > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                                    > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > The realization that "everything
                                    > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                                    > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                                    > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                                    > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                                    > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                                    > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                                    > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                                    > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                                    > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                                    > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                                    > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                                    > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                                    > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                                    > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                                    > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                                    > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                                    > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                                    > > > > > eastern traditions)
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                                    > > > > > something entirely different.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                                    > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                                    > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                                    > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                                    > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                                    > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                                    > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                                    > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                                    > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                                    > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                                    > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                                    > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                                    > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                                    > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                                    > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                                    > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                                    > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                                    > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                                    > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                                    > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                                    > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                                    > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                                    > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                                    > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                                    > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                                    > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                                    > > > > > within the context of the whole
                                    > > > > > of existence.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Jeff
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > --- In
                                    href="mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com">meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean
                                    > > tremblay
                                    > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will
                                    and self
                                    > > > > awareness,
                                    > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <
                                    href="mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com">no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
                                    > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ...
                                    "Thy will be
                                    > > > > > done".
                                    > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or
                                    can
                                    > > > > > > do!"
                                    > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                    > > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the
                                    forecast
                                    > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                    > > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                                    > > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                    > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
                                    > someone
                                    > > > who knows.
                                    > > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                    > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers,
                                    not
                                    > > web links.
                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                    > Got a little couch potato?
                                    > Check out fun summer activities for kids.
                                    >

                                  • Jeff Belyea
                                    You bet. I like your vision. How about, A suggestion from a visionary Canadian lady . Sean is in Maine (close to Canada), and I m in Florida (close to
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                                      You bet. I like your vision.
                                      How about, "A suggestion from
                                      a visionary Canadian lady".

                                      Sean is in Maine (close to Canada),
                                      and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise).

                                      Thanks,

                                      Jeff

                                      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                                      <aideenmck@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be-a-
                                      movie
                                      > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                                      suggestion
                                      > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > _____
                                      >
                                      > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                                      > [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                                      Jeff Belyea
                                      > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                                      > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                                      > privately and we'll work out the details.
                                      >
                                      > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff%40mindgoal.com> com
                                      >
                                      > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                      > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > america@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                                      > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                                      > >
                                      > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                                      > >
                                      > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                                      > > "anointed") is a combination
                                      > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                                      > > anointed.
                                      > >
                                      > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                      > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > america@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
                                      > > <jeff@> wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > I like it. Maybe...
                                      > > >
                                      > > > the fly gets annointed.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                      > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > america@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                                      > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > fly in the ointment
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                                      > > > in a "dialogue"
                                      > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                                      > > > > suggestions?
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                      > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > america@yahoogroups.com, sean
                                      > tremblay
                                      > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                                      > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                                      > book.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Aideen
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > ---------------------------------
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                                      > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > america@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > > [mailto:meditationsocietyof
                                      > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > america@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                                      > Of
                                      > > > Jeff
                                      > > > > Belyea
                                      > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                                      > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                                      > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > america@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of
                                      Life
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                                      > > > > > on many points, and much of
                                      > > > > > what may seem like differing
                                      > > > > > points of view are more a
                                      > > > > > matter of semantics.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > The church (especially) and
                                      > > > > > most religious traditions have
                                      > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                                      > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                                      > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                                      > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                                      > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                                      > > > > > religious view is the origin
                                      > > > > > of just about all wars.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                                      > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                                      > > > > > something more like entrapment
                                      > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Eat good food
                                      > > > > > fall in love
                                      > > > > > raise happy kids
                                      > > > > > do meaningful work
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                                      > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                                      > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                                      > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                                      > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > I think that there is a large
                                      > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                                      > > > > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
                                      > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                                      > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                                      > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance).
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                                      > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                                      > > > > > use great analogies and very
                                      > > > > > creative metaphors.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Love, as always,
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Jeff
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                                      > > > > > would you?
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                                      > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                                      > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                                      > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                                      > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                                      > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                                      > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                                      > > > > > ...awakening.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                                      > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                                      > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                                      > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                                      > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                                      > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                                      > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                                      > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                                      > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                                      > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                      > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > america@yahoogroups.com, sean
                                      > > tremblay
                                      > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                                      also
                                      > > know
                                      > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                                      > > > > expresion
                                      > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                                      > been
                                      > > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                                      the "Soul"
                                      > > and
                                      > > > of
                                      > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                                      > > > > important
                                      > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                                      > animal
                                      > > in
                                      > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                                      > manifest
                                      > > > and
                                      > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                                      > > Davis
                                      > > > or
                                      > > > > a
                                      > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                                      > believe
                                      > > > the
                                      > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound
                                      crass
                                      > > it's
                                      > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                                      > > > > bit "Willfull"
                                      > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                                      > > problem
                                      > > > I
                                      > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                                      is
                                      > > all
                                      > > > > to
                                      > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                                      > > bomb
                                      > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                                      > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                                      > same
                                      > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                                      > let
                                      > > > it
                                      > > > > be
                                      > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                                      did
                                      > I
                                      > > by
                                      > > > > it
                                      > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                                      the
                                      > > > land
                                      > > > > of
                                      > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                                      are
                                      > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                                      on
                                      > > > board.
                                      > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                                      > But
                                      > > > what
                                      > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                                      > > sake
                                      > > > of
                                      > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                                      > > > person
                                      > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                                      > > > enlightenment
                                      > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                                      > > because
                                      > > > > the
                                      > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                                      > language
                                      > > > does
                                      > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                                      (Spiritualy)
                                      > So
                                      > > I
                                      > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                                      > > without
                                      > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                                      > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for
                                      one
                                      > > do
                                      > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                                      > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                                      > > > delusional.
                                      > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                                      > > > > > > Eat good food
                                      > > > > > > fall in love
                                      > > > > > > raise happy kids
                                      > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                                      > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                                      > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                                      > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                                      > > > > > > communication between two different
                                      > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                                      > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                                      > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                                      > > > > > > on levels of consciousness).
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                                      > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                                      > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                                      > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                                      > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                                      > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                                      > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                                      > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                                      > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                                      > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                                      > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                                      > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                                      > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                                      > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                                      > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                                      > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                                      > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                                      > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                                      > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                                      > > > > > > something entirely different.
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                                      > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                                      > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                                      > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                                      > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                                      > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                                      > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                                      > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                                      > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                                      > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                                      > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                                      > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                                      > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                                      > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                                      > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                                      > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                                      > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                                      > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                                      > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                                      > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                                      > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                                      > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                                      > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                                      > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                                      > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                                      > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                                      > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                                      > > > > > > of existence.
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Jeff
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                      > <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > america@yahoogroups.com, sean
                                      > > > tremblay
                                      > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                                      > > > > > awareness,
                                      > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup
                                      > <mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> s.com>
                                      > > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                                      > > > > > > done".
                                      > > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                                      > > > > > > > do!"
                                      > > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >
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                                      > > > > > > >
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                                      > > > > > >
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                                      > > > > > >
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                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
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                                      > > someone
                                      > > > > who knows.
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                                      > > > >
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                                      > not
                                      > > > web links.
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                                      > > Check out fun summer activities for kids.
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                                    • Aideen McKenna
                                      You re both close to Paradise, in more than one respect. Visionary does have a nicer ring than elderly , for some reason. _____ From:
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                                        You’re both close to Paradise , in more than one respect.

                                        “Visionary” does have a nicer ring than “elderly”, for some reason.

                                         


                                        From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                                        Sent: June 1, 2007 4:59 PM
                                        To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)

                                         

                                        You bet. I like your vision.
                                        How about, "A suggestion from
                                        a visionary Canadian lady".

                                        Sean is in Maine (close to Canada ),
                                        and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise ).

                                        Thanks,

                                        Jeff

                                        --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                                        <aideenmck@. ..> wrote:

                                        >
                                        > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be- a-
                                        movie
                                        > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                                        suggestion
                                        > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > _____
                                        >
                                        > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                        > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com]
                                        On Behalf Of
                                        Jeff Belyea
                                        > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                                        > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                        > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                                        > privately and we'll work out the details.
                                        >
                                        > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff% 40mindgoal. com> com
                                        >
                                        > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                        > america@yahoogroups .com,
                                        sean tremblay
                                        > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                                        > >
                                        > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                                        > >
                                        > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                                        > > "anointed") is a combination
                                        > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                                        > > anointed.
                                        > >
                                        > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                        > america@yahoogroups .com,
                                        "Jeff Belyea"
                                        > > <jeff@> wrote:
                                        > > >
                                        > > > I like it. Maybe...
                                        > > >
                                        > > > the fly gets annointed.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                        > america@yahoogroups .com,
                                        sean tremblay
                                        > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > fly in the ointment
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                                        > > > in a "dialogue"
                                        > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                                        > > > > suggestions?
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                        > america@yahoogroups .com,
                                        sean
                                        > tremblay
                                        > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                                        > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay
                                        co-writing a
                                        > book.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Aideen
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                        > america@yahoogroups .com
                                        > > > > [mailto:meditations ocietyof
                                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                        > america@yahoogroups .com]
                                        On Behalf
                                        > Of
                                        > > > Jeff
                                        > > > > Belyea
                                        > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                                        > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                        > america@yahoogroups .com
                                        > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of
                                        w:st="on"> America ] The Facts of
                                        Life
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                                        > > > > > on many points, and much of
                                        > > > > > what may seem like differing
                                        > > > > > points of view are more a
                                        > > > > > matter of semantics.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > The church (especially) and
                                        > > > > > most religious traditions have
                                        > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                                        > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                                        > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                                        > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                                        > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                                        > > > > > religious view is the origin
                                        > > > > > of just about all wars.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                                        > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                                        > > > > > something more like entrapment
                                        > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Eat good food
                                        > > > > > fall in love
                                        > > > > > raise happy kids
                                        > > > > > do meaningful work
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                                        > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                                        > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                                        > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                                        > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > I think that there is a large
                                        > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                                        > > > > > School
                                        of Philosophy ". Your writing
                                        > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                                        > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                                        > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                                        > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                                        > > > > > use great analogies and very
                                        > > > > > creative metaphors.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Love, as always,
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Jeff
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                                        > > > > > would you?
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                                        > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                                        > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                                        > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                                        > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                                        > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                                        > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                                        > > > > > ...awakening.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                                        > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                                        > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                                        > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                                        > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                                        > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                                        > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                                        > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                                        > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                                        > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                        > america@yahoogroups .com,
                                        sean
                                        > > tremblay
                                        > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your
                                        saying, I
                                        also
                                        > > know
                                        > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without
                                        seeing
                                        > > > > expresion
                                        > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I
                                        have
                                        > been
                                        > > > > > trying to articulate that the
                                        "Individuality" and
                                        the "Soul"
                                        > > and
                                        > > > of
                                        > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the
                                        humanities most
                                        > > > > important
                                        > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the
                                        only
                                        > animal
                                        > > in
                                        > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                                        > manifest
                                        > > > and
                                        > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or
                                        Miles
                                        > > Davis
                                        > > > or
                                        > > > > a
                                        > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what
                                        I
                                        > believe
                                        > > > the
                                        > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at
                                        time I sound
                                        crass
                                        > > it's
                                        > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                                        > > > > bit "Willfull"
                                        > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy.
                                        The
                                        > > problem
                                        > > > I
                                        > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the
                                        statement
                                        is
                                        > > all
                                        > > > > to
                                        > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala"
                                        mentality that leads to
                                        > > bomb
                                        > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                                        > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told
                                        when I read of the
                                        > same
                                        > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole
                                        karma
                                        > let
                                        > > > it
                                        > > > > be
                                        > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either
                                        nor
                                        did
                                        > I
                                        > > by
                                        > > > > it
                                        > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth
                                        into
                                        the
                                        > > > land
                                        > > > > of
                                        > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If
                                        you
                                        are
                                        > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose
                                        I'm
                                        on
                                        > > > board.
                                        > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone
                                        elses.
                                        > But
                                        > > > what
                                        > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will
                                        for the
                                        > > sake
                                        > > > of
                                        > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and
                                        that
                                        > > > person
                                        > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                                        > > > enlightenment
                                        > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and
                                        just
                                        > > because
                                        > > > > the
                                        > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                                        > language
                                        > > > does
                                        > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                                        (Spiritualy)
                                        > So
                                        > > I
                                        > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that
                                        freedom
                                        > > without
                                        > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                                        > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And
                                        I for
                                        one
                                        > > do
                                        > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the
                                        term
                                        > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                                        > > > delusional.
                                        > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                                        > > > > > > Eat good food
                                        > > > > > > fall in love
                                        > > > > > > raise happy kids
                                        > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                                        > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                                        > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                                        > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                                        > > > > > > communication between two different
                                        > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                                        > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                                        > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                                        > > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                                        > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                                        > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                                        > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                                        > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                                        > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                                        > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                                        > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                                        > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                                        > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                                        > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                                        > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                                        > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                                        > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                                        > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                                        > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                                        > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                                        > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                                        > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                                        > > > > > > something entirely different.
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                                        > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                                        > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                                        > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                                        > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                                        > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                                        > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                                        > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                                        > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                                        > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                                        > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                                        > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                                        > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                                        > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                                        > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                                        > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                                        > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                                        > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                                        > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                                        > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                                        > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                                        > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                                        > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                                        > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                                        > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                                        > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                                        > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                                        > > > > > > of existence.
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Jeff
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                        > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                        > america@yahoogroups .com,
                                        sean
                                        > > > tremblay
                                        > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free
                                        will and self
                                        > > > > > awareness,
                                        > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogrou p
                                        > <mailto:no_reply% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com>
                                        > > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ...
                                        "Thy will be
                                        > > > > > > done".
                                        > > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do
                                        ... or can
                                        > > > > > > > do!"
                                        > > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                        > > > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the
                                        forecast
                                        > > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                        > > > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                                        > > > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo!
                                        Search.
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                        > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers
                                        from
                                        > > someone
                                        > > > > who knows.
                                        > > > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                        > > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives
                                        answers,
                                        > not
                                        > > > web links.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                        > > Got a little couch potato?
                                        > > Check out fun summer activities for kids.
                                        > >
                                        >

                                      • sean tremblay
                                        I am from Maine but I currently reside in Williamsburg Virginia, I consider myself an expatriot and on government forms I check the other block and write in
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                                          I am from Maine but I currently reside in Williamsburg Virginia,  I consider myself an expatriot and on government forms I check the "other" block and write in Mainer as my nationality and country of origin.

                                          Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@...> wrote:
                                          You’re both close to Paradise , in more than one respect.
                                          “Visionary” does have a nicer ring than “elderly”, for some reason.

                                          From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                                          Sent: June 1, 2007 4:59 PM
                                          To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                          Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                          You bet. I like your vision.
                                          How about, "A suggestion from
                                          a visionary Canadian lady".

                                          Sean is in Maine (close to Canada ),
                                          and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise ).

                                          Thanks,

                                          Jeff

                                          --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                                          <aideenmck@. ..> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be- a-
                                          movie
                                          > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                                          suggestion
                                          > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > _____
                                          >
                                          > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                          > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of
                                          Jeff Belyea
                                          > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                                          > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                          > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                                          > privately and we'll work out the details.
                                          >
                                          > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff% 40mindgoal. com> com
                                          >
                                          > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                          > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                                          > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                                          > >
                                          > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                                          > >
                                          > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                                          > > "anointed") is a combination
                                          > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                                          > > anointed.
                                          > >
                                          > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                          > america@yahoogroups .com, "Jeff Belyea"
                                          > > <jeff@> wrote:
                                          > > >
                                          > > > I like it. Maybe...
                                          > > >
                                          > > > the fly gets annointed.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                          > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                                          > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > fly in the ointment
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                                          > > > in a "dialogue"
                                          > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                                          > > > > suggestions?
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                          > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                          > tremblay
                                          > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                                          > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                                          > book.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Aideen
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                          > america@yahoogroups .com
                                          > > > > [mailto:meditations ocietyof
                                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                          > america@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
                                          > Of
                                          > > > Jeff
                                          > > > > Belyea
                                          > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                                          > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                          > america@yahoogroups .com
                                          > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] The Facts of
                                          Life
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                                          > > > > > on many points, and much of
                                          > > > > > what may seem like differing
                                          > > > > > points of view are more a
                                          > > > > > matter of semantics.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > The church (especially) and
                                          > > > > > most religious traditions have
                                          > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                                          > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                                          > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                                          > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                                          > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                                          > > > > > religious view is the origin
                                          > > > > > of just about all wars.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                                          > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                                          > > > > > something more like entrapment
                                          > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Eat good food
                                          > > > > > fall in love
                                          > > > > > raise happy kids
                                          > > > > > do meaningful work
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                                          > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                                          > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                                          > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                                          > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > I think that there is a large
                                          > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                                          > > > > > School of Philosophy ". Your writing
                                          > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                                          > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                                          > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                                          > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                                          > > > > > use great analogies and very
                                          > > > > > creative metaphors.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Love, as always,
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Jeff
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                                          > > > > > would you?
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                                          > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                                          > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                                          > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                                          > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                                          > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                                          > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                                          > > > > > ...awakening.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                                          > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                                          > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                                          > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                                          > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                                          > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                                          > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                                          > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                                          > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                                          > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                          > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                          > > tremblay
                                          > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                                          also
                                          > > know
                                          > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                                          > > > > expresion
                                          > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                                          > been
                                          > > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                                          the "Soul"
                                          > > and
                                          > > > of
                                          > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                                          > > > > important
                                          > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                                          > animal
                                          > > in
                                          > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                                          > manifest
                                          > > > and
                                          > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                                          > > Davis
                                          > > > or
                                          > > > > a
                                          > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                                          > believe
                                          > > > the
                                          > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound
                                          crass
                                          > > it's
                                          > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                                          > > > > bit "Willfull"
                                          > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                                          > > problem
                                          > > > I
                                          > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                                          is
                                          > > all
                                          > > > > to
                                          > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                                          > > bomb
                                          > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                                          > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                                          > same
                                          > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                                          > let
                                          > > > it
                                          > > > > be
                                          > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                                          did
                                          > I
                                          > > by
                                          > > > > it
                                          > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                                          the
                                          > > > land
                                          > > > > of
                                          > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                                          are
                                          > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                                          on
                                          > > > board.
                                          > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                                          > But
                                          > > > what
                                          > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                                          > > sake
                                          > > > of
                                          > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                                          > > > person
                                          > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                                          > > > enlightenment
                                          > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                                          > > because
                                          > > > > the
                                          > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                                          > language
                                          > > > does
                                          > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                                          (Spiritualy)
                                          > So
                                          > > I
                                          > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                                          > > without
                                          > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                                          > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for
                                          one
                                          > > do
                                          > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                                          > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                                          > > > delusional.
                                          > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                                          > > > > > > Eat good food
                                          > > > > > > fall in love
                                          > > > > > > raise happy kids
                                          > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                                          > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                                          > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                                          > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                                          > > > > > > communication between two different
                                          > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                                          > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                                          > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                                          > > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                                          > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                                          > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                                          > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                                          > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                                          > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                                          > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                                          > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                                          > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                                          > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                                          > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                                          > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                                          > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                                          > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                                          > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                                          > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                                          > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                                          > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                                          > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                                          > > > > > > something entirely different.
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                                          > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                                          > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                                          > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                                          > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                                          > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                                          > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                                          > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                                          > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                                          > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                                          > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                                          > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                                          > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                                          > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                                          > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                                          > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                                          > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                                          > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                                          > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                                          > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                                          > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                                          > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                                          > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                                          > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                                          > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                                          > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                                          > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                                          > > > > > > of existence.
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > Jeff
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                          > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                          > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                          > > > tremblay
                                          > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                                          > > > > > awareness,
                                          > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogrou p
                                          > <mailto:no_reply% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com>
                                          > > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                                          > > > > > > done".
                                          > > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                                          > > > > > > > do!"
                                          > > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                          > > > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
                                          > > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                          > > > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
                                          > > > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                          > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
                                          > > someone
                                          > > > > who knows.
                                          > > > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                          > > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers,
                                          > not
                                          > > > web links.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                          > > Got a little couch potato?
                                          > > Check out fun summer activities for kids.
                                          > >
                                          >


                                          Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.

                                        • Aideen McKenna
                                          I m originally from Montreal, Quebec, where the name Tremblay was, for many years, the one that filled the most columns in the phone directory. I ve now
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                                            I’m originally from Montreal , Quebec , where the name “Tremblay” was, for many years, the one that filled the most columns in the phone directory.

                                            I’ve now lived on the west coast for more years than I was in Quebec , & I docilely fill in “Canadian”.  However … Quebec sometimes rather ferociously tries to separate & I can’t help but wish them well.  I’ll always feel homesick for the place.

                                             


                                            From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of sean tremblay
                                            Sent: June 1, 2007 7:09 PM
                                            To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: RE: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)

                                             

                                            I am from Maine but I currently reside in Williamsburg Virginia ,  I consider myself an expatriot and on government forms I check the "other" block and write in Mainer as my nationality and country of origin.

                                            Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@telus. net> wrote:

                                            You’re both close to Paradise , in more than one respect.

                                            “Visionary” does have a nicer ring than “elderly”, for some reason.


                                            From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                                            Sent: June 1, 2007 4:59 PM
                                            To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                            Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)

                                            You bet. I like your vision.
                                            How about, "A suggestion from
                                            a visionary Canadian lady".

                                            Sean is in Maine (close to Canada ),
                                            and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise ).

                                            Thanks,

                                            Jeff

                                            --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                                            <aideenmck@. ..> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be- a-
                                            movie
                                            > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                                            suggestion
                                            > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > _____
                                            >
                                            > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                            > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of
                                            Jeff Belyea
                                            > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                                            > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                            > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                                            > privately and we'll work out the details.
                                            >
                                            > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff% 40mindgoal. com> com
                                            >
                                            > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                            > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                                            > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                                            > >
                                            > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                                            > >
                                            > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                                            > > "anointed") is a combination
                                            > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                                            > > anointed.
                                            > >
                                            > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                            > america@yahoogroups .com, "Jeff Belyea"
                                            > > <jeff@> wrote:
                                            > > >
                                            > > > I like it. Maybe...
                                            > > >
                                            > > > the fly gets annointed.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                            > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                                            > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > fly in the ointment
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                                            > > > in a "dialogue"
                                            > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                                            > > > > suggestions?
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                            > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                            > tremblay
                                            > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                                            > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                                            > book.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Aideen
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                            > america@yahoogroups .com
                                            > > > > [mailto:meditations ocietyof
                                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                            > america@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
                                            > Of
                                            > > > Jeff
                                            > > > > Belyea
                                            > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                                            > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                            > america@yahoogroups .com
                                            > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] The Facts of
                                            Life
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                                            > > > > > on many points, and much of
                                            > > > > > what may seem like differing
                                            > > > > > points of view are more a
                                            > > > > > matter of semantics.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > The church (especially) and
                                            > > > > > most religious traditions have
                                            > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                                            > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                                            > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                                            > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                                            > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                                            > > > > > religious view is the origin
                                            > > > > > of just about all wars.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                                            > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                                            > > > > > something more like entrapment
                                            > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Eat good food
                                            > > > > > fall in love
                                            > > > > > raise happy kids
                                            > > > > > do meaningful work
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                                            > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                                            > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                                            > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                                            > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > I think that there is a large
                                            > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                                            > > > > > School of Philosophy ". Your writing
                                            > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                                            > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                                            > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                                            > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                                            > > > > > use great analogies and very
                                            > > > > > creative metaphors.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Love, as always,
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Jeff
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                                            > > > > > would you?
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                                            > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                                            > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                                            > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                                            > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                                            > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                                            > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                                            > > > > > ...awakening.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                                            > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                                            > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                                            > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                                            > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                                            > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                                            > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                                            > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                                            > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                                            > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                            > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                            > > tremblay
                                            > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                                            also
                                            > > know
                                            > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                                            > > > > expresion
                                            > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                                            > been
                                            > > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                                            the "Soul"
                                            > > and
                                            > > > of
                                            > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                                            > > > > important
                                            > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                                            > animal
                                            > > in
                                            > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                                            > manifest
                                            > > > and
                                            > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                                            > > Davis
                                            > > > or
                                            > > > > a
                                            > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                                            > believe
                                            > > > the
                                            > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound
                                            crass
                                            > > it's
                                            > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                                            > > > > bit "Willfull"
                                            > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                                            > > problem
                                            > > > I
                                            > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                                            is
                                            > > all
                                            > > > > to
                                            > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                                            > > bomb
                                            > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                                            > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                                            > same
                                            > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                                            > let
                                            > > > it
                                            > > > > be
                                            > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                                            did
                                            > I
                                            > > by
                                            > > > > it
                                            > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                                            the
                                            > > > land
                                            > > > > of
                                            > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                                            are
                                            > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                                            on
                                            > > > board.
                                            > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                                            > But
                                            > > > what
                                            > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                                            > > sake
                                            > > > of
                                            > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                                            > > > person
                                            > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                                            > > > enlightenment
                                            > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                                            > > because
                                            > > > > the
                                            > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                                            > language
                                            > > > does
                                            > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                                            (Spiritualy)
                                            > So
                                            > > I
                                            > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                                            > > without
                                            > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                                            > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for
                                            one
                                            > > do
                                            > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                                            > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                                            > > > delusional.
                                            > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                                            > > > > > > Eat good food
                                            > > > > > > fall in love
                                            > > > > > > raise happy kids
                                            > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                                            > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                                            > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                                            > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                                            > > > > > > communication between two different
                                            > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                                            > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                                            > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                                            > > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                                            > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                                            > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                                            > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                                            > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                                            > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                                            > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                                            > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                                            > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                                            > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                                            > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                                            > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                                            > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                                            > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                                            > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                                            > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                                            > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                                            > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                                            > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                                            > > > > > > something entirely different.
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                                            > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                                            > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                                            > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                                            > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                                            > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                                            > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                                            > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                                            > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                                            > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                                            > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                                            > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                                            > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                                            > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                                            > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                                            > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                                            > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                                            > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                                            > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                                            > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                                            > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                                            > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                                            > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                                            > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                                            > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                                            > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                                            > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                                            > > > > > > of existence.
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > Jeff
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                            > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                            > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                            > > > tremblay
                                            > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                                            > > > > > awareness,
                                            > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogrou p
                                            > <mailto:no_reply% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com>
                                            > > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
                                            > > > > > > done".
                                            > > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
                                            > > > > > > > do!"
                                            > > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > >
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                                            > > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > >
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                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > >
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                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
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                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
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                                            > > > > who knows.
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                                            > > > web links.
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                                          • sean tremblay
                                            My Grandfather Rene augustas Tremblay came from Quebec city and settled in Cape Elizebeth Maine in the late 30 s. According to family legend all Tremblay s
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                                              My Grandfather Rene augustas Tremblay came from Quebec city and settled in Cape Elizebeth Maine in the late 30's.  According to family legend all Tremblay's decend from one Peirre Tremblay, who apperently was a very busy man when he arrived in Canada in the late 1600's.

                                              Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@...> wrote:
                                              I’m originally from Montreal , Quebec , where the name “Tremblay” was, for many years, the one that filled the most columns in the phone directory.
                                              I’ve now lived on the west coast for more years than I was in Quebec , & I docilely fill in “Canadian”.  However … Quebec sometimes rather ferociously tries to separate & I can’t help but wish them well.  I’ll always feel homesick for the place.

                                              From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of sean tremblay
                                              Sent: June 1, 2007 7:09 PM
                                              To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                              Subject: RE: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                              I am from Maine but I currently reside in Williamsburg Virginia ,  I consider myself an expatriot and on government forms I check the "other" block and write in Mainer as my nationality and country of origin.

                                              Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@telus. net> wrote:
                                              You’re both close to Paradise , in more than one respect.
                                              “Visionary” does have a nicer ring than “elderly”, for some reason.

                                              From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
                                              Sent: June 1, 2007 4:59 PM
                                              To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                              Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                              You bet. I like your vision.
                                              How about, "A suggestion from
                                              a visionary Canadian lady".

                                              Sean is in Maine (close to Canada ),
                                              and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise ).

                                              Thanks,

                                              Jeff

                                              --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
                                              <aideenmck@. ..> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be- a-
                                              movie
                                              > bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
                                              suggestion
                                              > from some elderly Canadian lady.
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > _____
                                              >
                                              > From: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                              > [mailto:meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of
                                              Jeff Belyea
                                              > Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
                                              > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
                                              > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
                                              > privately and we'll work out the details.
                                              >
                                              > jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff% 40mindgoal. com> com
                                              >
                                              > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                              > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                                              > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                              > >
                                              > > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
                                              > >
                                              > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
                                              > >
                                              > > "Annointed" (usally spelled
                                              > > "anointed") is a combination
                                              > > word, meaning - annoyed and
                                              > > anointed.
                                              > >
                                              > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                              > america@yahoogroups .com, "Jeff Belyea"
                                              > > <jeff@> wrote:
                                              > > >
                                              > > > I like it. Maybe...
                                              > > >
                                              > > > the fly gets annointed.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                              > america@yahoogroups .com, sean tremblay
                                              > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > fly in the ointment
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
                                              > > > in a "dialogue"
                                              > > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
                                              > > > > suggestions?
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                              > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                              > tremblay
                                              > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Thanks Aideen
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
                                              > > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
                                              > book.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Aideen
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
                                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                              > america@yahoogroups .com
                                              > > > > [mailto:meditations ocietyof
                                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                              > america@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
                                              > Of
                                              > > > Jeff
                                              > > > > Belyea
                                              > > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
                                              > > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
                                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                              > america@yahoogroups .com
                                              > > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] The Facts of
                                              Life
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
                                              > > > > > on many points, and much of
                                              > > > > > what may seem like differing
                                              > > > > > points of view are more a
                                              > > > > > matter of semantics.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > The church (especially) and
                                              > > > > > most religious traditions have
                                              > > > > > become a train wreck of the
                                              > > > > > authentic teacher's original
                                              > > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
                                              > > > > > agree. There's no fun in
                                              > > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
                                              > > > > > religious view is the origin
                                              > > > > > of just about all wars.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
                                              > > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
                                              > > > > > something more like entrapment
                                              > > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Your philosophy of:
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Eat good food
                                              > > > > > fall in love
                                              > > > > > raise happy kids
                                              > > > > > do meaningful work
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
                                              > > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
                                              > > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
                                              > > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
                                              > > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > I think that there is a large
                                              > > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
                                              > > > > > School of Philosophy ". Your writing
                                              > > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
                                              > > > > > I hope that you continue to
                                              > > > > > develop that gift (inheritance) .
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
                                              > > > > > often? Considering a book? You
                                              > > > > > use great analogies and very
                                              > > > > > creative metaphors.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Love, as always,
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Jeff
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
                                              > > > > > would you?
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
                                              > > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
                                              > > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
                                              > > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
                                              > > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
                                              > > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
                                              > > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
                                              > > > > > ...awakening.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
                                              > > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
                                              > > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
                                              > > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
                                              > > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
                                              > > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
                                              > > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
                                              > > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
                                              > > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
                                              > > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                              > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                              > > tremblay
                                              > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
                                              also
                                              > > know
                                              > > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
                                              > > > > expresion
                                              > > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
                                              > been
                                              > > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
                                              the "Soul"
                                              > > and
                                              > > > of
                                              > > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
                                              > > > > important
                                              > > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
                                              > animal
                                              > > in
                                              > > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
                                              > manifest
                                              > > > and
                                              > > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
                                              > > Davis
                                              > > > or
                                              > > > > a
                                              > > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
                                              > believe
                                              > > > the
                                              > > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound
                                              crass
                                              > > it's
                                              > > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
                                              > > > > bit "Willfull"
                                              > > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
                                              > > problem
                                              > > > I
                                              > > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
                                              is
                                              > > all
                                              > > > > to
                                              > > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
                                              > > bomb
                                              > > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
                                              > > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
                                              > same
                                              > > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
                                              > let
                                              > > > it
                                              > > > > be
                                              > > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
                                              did
                                              > I
                                              > > by
                                              > > > > it
                                              > > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
                                              the
                                              > > > land
                                              > > > > of
                                              > > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
                                              are
                                              > > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
                                              on
                                              > > > board.
                                              > > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
                                              > But
                                              > > > what
                                              > > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
                                              > > sake
                                              > > > of
                                              > > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
                                              > > > person
                                              > > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
                                              > > > enlightenment
                                              > > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
                                              > > because
                                              > > > > the
                                              > > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
                                              > language
                                              > > > does
                                              > > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
                                              (Spiritualy)
                                              > So
                                              > > I
                                              > > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
                                              > > without
                                              > > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
                                              > > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for
                                              one
                                              > > do
                                              > > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
                                              > > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
                                              > > > delusional.
                                              > > > > > Good luck on your quest.
                                              > > > > > > Eat good food
                                              > > > > > > fall in love
                                              > > > > > > raise happy kids
                                              > > > > > > do meaningfull work
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
                                              > > > > > > Hi Sean -
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
                                              > > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
                                              > > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
                                              > > > > > > communication between two different
                                              > > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
                                              > > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
                                              > > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
                                              > > > > > > on levels of consciousness) .
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > The realization that "everything
                                              > > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
                                              > > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
                                              > > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
                                              > > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
                                              > > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
                                              > > > > > > the trance level, or the level
                                              > > > > > > that we've been social coerced
                                              > > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
                                              > > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
                                              > > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
                                              > > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
                                              > > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
                                              > > > > > > all there is to being alive.
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
                                              > > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
                                              > > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
                                              > > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
                                              > > > > > > (even called illusory in most
                                              > > > > > > eastern traditions)
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
                                              > > > > > > something entirely different.
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
                                              > > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
                                              > > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
                                              > > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
                                              > > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
                                              > > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
                                              > > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
                                              > > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
                                              > > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
                                              > > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
                                              > > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
                                              > > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
                                              > > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
                                              > > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
                                              > > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
                                              > > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
                                              > > > > > > of this whole unified field.
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > This realization brings incredible
                                              > > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
                                              > > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
                                              > > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
                                              > > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
                                              > > > > > > And that translates to a completely
                                              > > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
                                              > > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
                                              > > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
                                              > > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
                                              > > > > > > within the context of the whole
                                              > > > > > > of existence.
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > Jeff
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
                                              > <mailto:meditations ocietyofamerica% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                              > america@yahoogroups .com, sean
                                              > > > tremblay
                                              > > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
                                              > > > > > awareness,
                                              > > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
                                              > > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogrou p
                                              > <mailto:no_reply% 40yahoogroups. com> s.com>
                                              > > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
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                                              > > > > > > > do!"
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                                            • medit8ionsociety
                                              T The Facts of Life Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will
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                                                T

                                                The Facts of Life

                                                 

                                                Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will all of your thoughts. It will happen to everyone and everything. It is literally sense-less to focus your attention on these temporary things.

                                                 

                                                Meditate and witness the ever-present and unending. Now, and happily ever-after.

                                                 

                                                Kir Li Molari

                                                 

                                              • dan330033
                                                Ends now. Dissolves now. So die now. And be ... ... T The Facts of Life Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your
                                                Message 23 of 26 , Apr 16, 2014
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                                                  Ends now.  Dissolves now.

                                                  So die now.

                                                  And be ...


                                                  ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

                                                  T

                                                  The Facts of Life

                                                   

                                                  Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will all of your thoughts. It will happen to everyone and everything. It is literally sense-less to focus your attention on these temporary things.

                                                   

                                                  Meditate and witness the ever-present and unending. Now, and happily ever-after.

                                                   

                                                  Kir Li Molari

                                                   

                                                • medit8ionsociety
                                                  Thanks Sri Danji! Bringing light into the present...What a present! ... Ends now. Dissolves now. So die now. And be ... ... T The Facts of Life Your vision,
                                                  Message 24 of 26 , Apr 16, 2014
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                                                    Thanks Sri Danji! Bringing light into the present...What a present!


                                                    ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <dan330033@...> wrote :

                                                    Ends now.  Dissolves now.

                                                    So die now.

                                                    And be ...


                                                    ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

                                                    T

                                                    The Facts of Life

                                                     

                                                    Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will all of your thoughts. It will happen to everyone and everything. It is literally sense-less to focus your attention on these temporary things.

                                                     

                                                    Meditate and witness the ever-present and unending. Now, and happily ever-after.

                                                     

                                                    Kir Li Molari

                                                     

                                                  • dan330033
                                                    Yes! This present involves no time. So, it includes everything we conventionally call past and future. The doesn t mean I know everything that ever
                                                    Message 25 of 26 , Apr 18, 2014
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                                                      Yes!

                                                      This present involves no time.

                                                      So, it includes everything we conventionally call "past" and "future."

                                                      The doesn't mean I know everything that ever happened or will happen.

                                                      It means that I don't know anything, and don't need to.

                                                      :-)


                                                      Swami Satchitananda would approve, as this not-knowing-anything doesn't seem to be harming my health - at least what's left of it ...  :-)



                                                      ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

                                                      Thanks Sri Danji! Bringing light into the present...What a present!


                                                      ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <dan330033@...> wrote :

                                                      Ends now.  Dissolves now.

                                                      So die now.

                                                      And be ...


                                                      ---In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

                                                      T

                                                      The Facts of Life

                                                       

                                                      Your vision, hearing, smelling, tasting and touch will all end. Every cell in your body will dissolve. All your feelings will end as will all of your thoughts. It will happen to everyone and everything. It is literally sense-less to focus your attention on these temporary things.

                                                       

                                                      Meditate and witness the ever-present and unending. Now, and happily ever-after.

                                                       

                                                      Kir Li Molari

                                                       

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