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  • Marc Moss
    That s all you can do!!! bigrufedc wrote: Thank you all for helping me out on this subject. I will try what works best for me
    Message 1 of 12 , Feb 20, 2007
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      That's all you can do!!!

      bigrufedc <rTshinanga@...> wrote:
      Thank you all for helping me out on this subject. I will try what
      works best for me at this stage.

      Rufin

      -- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, Citizens Active
      <citizensactive@ ...> wrote:
      >
      > Here's a great article for beginners, I think it will a big in
      setting you in the right direction. ZJust like everything else IMHO,
      practice is key. Realize that you'll lose focus but don't let it get
      you frustrated and before you know it you will be able to almost
      instantly get into a meditative state.
      >
      > heres the link for the article.
      > http://www.learntea chcreate. com/22.html
      >
      > Namaste!
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Marc Moss <jellybean0729@ ...> wrote:
      >
      > This meditation is accurate, but facilitates only the left
      hemisphere of the brain. The result of meditation is to remove the
      manifest forms of the belief that there is a separation in subject
      and object; and this is so because one has become aware that they are
      incorrect.
      >
      > Checking out the "monkey mind' is seeing how the thoughts are
      overwhelmingly undisciplined. We believe that we are this, and that
      thing is that, so our left brain distinquishes what something is upon
      analysis, and whatever conclusion we come to, our right hemisphere
      then makes it a reality. We no longer investigate something and it's
      the way it is until our left brain encounters a situation that proves
      it to be wrong. Science asserted that penecillin was the "cure" for
      many things...and today it doesn't seem to work like it once did.
      >
      > The Right hemisphere is responsible for the limbic system, or the
      sympathetic system. The solar plexus is the center of this system. It
      radiates energy, and attracts things to it. Mind is subtle matter,
      and once this matter is of a certain energy type, it will bring about
      precisely what's been put into it. See every thing you've ever done
      very well, without doubt in yourself. You consistently bring into
      being and attract to you all the things that fufill what you seek!
      Jesus said, "therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer,
      believe that you have received it, and it will be yours." Examine:
      >
      > I tell you - Jesus stands behind this statement. He is telling us
      from his experience and knowledge (I will not assert his divinity
      here, but as a sage of remarkable spiritual accomplishments; I think
      more people can then be receptive to this analysis)
      >
      > whatever - any or any one of a number of things whether
      specifically known or not; pretty broad! not just spiritual, but
      physical accomplishments and procurements as well
      >
      > you ask for - To express a desire for; you have to ask your
      spirit guide, God, Jesus, Buddhas, enlightened beings...or even just
      yourself! "May I be free from illness"..." may I replace my old beat
      up car"
      >
      > in prayer - undistractedly focused on the object to whom or what
      you pray. Meditation, concentration.
      >
      > believe - to have a conviction that (a person or thing) is, has
      been, or will be engaged in a given action or involved in a given
      situation. In other words, you should be able to visualize it crystal
      clear!! The stronger the image in the left hemisphere, the more power
      in the right hemisphere.
      >
      > that you have received it - past tense; you should now send it to
      the right hemisphere and 'feel' it.
      >
      > and it will be yours - it will be made manifest, or your karma
      now will ripen to experience the perceptions of this appearance in
      your own life; this is not just a statement of one controversial
      spiritual being, but this was taught by the Buddha in tantra;
      Kabbalah, and other practices.
      >
      > The denial that even thought can control or inspire the physical
      world is simply due to the lack of witnessing for oneself. If it
      can't be analyzed by the left brain, it can't be accepted by the
      whole psych-physical being.
      >
      > Managing the wandering mind will be of value to the visualization
      process. Left by itself to simply focus on "nothing", the mind will
      not progress with new material, but remain steadfast in its old
      material. We should be trying to change the program. Don't get stuck
      on the preliminaries; there is a deeper universe 'enfolded' within
      the 'unfolded' world we think we see.
      >
      > Marc
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > As long as space remains, as long as living beings remain, until
      then - may I too remain to dispel the sufferings of the world. -
      Master Shantideva
      >
      >
      >
      >
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    • Citizens Active
      I like the simple approach, I think some beginners get scared off or confused withh all the jargon. I ll leave the details to you aged vets! Marc Moss
      Message 2 of 12 , Feb 20, 2007
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        I like the simple approach, I think some beginners get scared off or confused withh all the jargon.  I'll leave the details to you aged vets!
         


        Marc Moss <jellybean0729@...> wrote:
        That's all you can do!!!

        bigrufedc <rTshinanga@hotmail. com> wrote:
        Thank you all for helping me out on this subject. I will try what
        works best for me at this stage.

        Rufin

        -- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, Citizens Active
        <citizensactive@ ...> wrote:
        >
        > Here's a great article for beginners, I think it will a big in
        setting you in the right direction. ZJust like everything else IMHO,
        practice is key. Realize that you'll lose focus but don't let it get
        you frustrated and before you know it you will be able to almost
        instantly get into a meditative state.
        >
        > heres the link for the article.
        > http://www.learntea chcreate. com/22.html
        >
        > Namaste!
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Marc Moss <jellybean0729@ ...> wrote:
        >
        > This meditation is accurate, but facilitates only the left
        hemisphere of the brain. The result of meditation is to remove the
        manifest forms of the belief that there is a separation in subject
        and object; and this is so because one has become aware that they are
        incorrect.
        >
        > Checking out the "monkey mind' is seeing how the thoughts are
        overwhelmingly undisciplined. We believe that we are this, and that
        thing is that, so our left brain distinquishes what something is upon
        analysis, and whatever conclusion we come to, our right hemisphere
        then makes it a reality. We no longer investigate something and it's
        the way it is until our left brain encounters a situation that proves
        it to be wrong. Science asserted that penecillin was the "cure" for
        many things...and today it doesn't seem to work like it once did.
        >
        > The Right hemisphere is responsible for the limbic system, or the
        sympathetic system. The solar plexus is the center of this system. It
        radiates energy, and attracts things to it. Mind is subtle matter,
        and once this matter is of a certain energy type, it will bring about
        precisely what's been put into it. See every thing you've ever done
        very well, without doubt in yourself. You consistently bring into
        being and attract to you all the things that fufill what you seek!
        Jesus said, "therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer,
        believe that you have received it, and it will be yours." Examine:
        >
        > I tell you - Jesus stands behind this statement. He is telling us
        from his experience and knowledge (I will not assert his divinity
        here, but as a sage of remarkable spiritual accomplishments; I think
        more people can then be receptive to this analysis)
        >
        > whatever - any or any one of a number of things whether
        specifically known or not; pretty broad! not just spiritual, but
        physical accomplishments and procurements as well
        >
        > you ask for - To express a desire for; you have to ask your
        spirit guide, God, Jesus, Buddhas, enlightened beings...or even just
        yourself! "May I be free from illness"..." may I replace my old beat
        up car"
        >
        > in prayer - undistractedly focused on the object to whom or what
        you pray. Meditation, concentration.
        >
        > believe - to have a conviction that (a person or thing) is, has
        been, or will be engaged in a given action or involved in a given
        situation. In other words, you should be able to visualize it crystal
        clear!! The stronger the image in the left hemisphere, the more power
        in the right hemisphere.
        >
        > that you have received it - past tense; you should now send it to
        the right hemisphere and 'feel' it.
        >
        > and it will be yours - it will be made manifest, or your karma
        now will ripen to experience the perceptions of this appearance in
        your own life; this is not just a statement of one controversial
        spiritual being, but this was taught by the Buddha in tantra;
        Kabbalah, and other practices.
        >
        > The denial that even thought can control or inspire the physical
        world is simply due to the lack of witnessing for oneself. If it
        can't be analyzed by the left brain, it can't be accepted by the
        whole psych-physical being.
        >
        > Managing the wandering mind will be of value to the visualization
        process. Left by itself to simply focus on "nothing", the mind will
        not progress with new material, but remain steadfast in its old
        material. We should be trying to change the program. Don't get stuck
        on the preliminaries; there is a deeper universe 'enfolded' within
        the 'unfolded' world we think we see.
        >
        > Marc
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > As long as space remains, as long as living beings remain, until
        then - may I too remain to dispel the sufferings of the world. -
        Master Shantideva
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > ------------ --------- --------- ---
        > It's here! Your new message!
        > Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > ------------ --------- --------- ---
        > Be a PS3 game guru.
        > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at
        Yahoo! Games.
        >




         
         
         
         
         
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      • kushikushun
        I heard someone say about Zen meditation that it is important to remain a beginner. But maybe thats just zennish. I am not to fond myself of the jargon I
        Message 3 of 12 , Feb 21, 2007
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          I heard someone say about Zen meditation that it is important to remain
          a beginner. But maybe thats just zennish. I am not to fond myself of
          the jargon I always get the feeling it might get too close to a
          doctrine. But then again , I am just a beginner ;)

          So yeah I am all for the simple approach too.

          Take Care, Francisca.
          meditation-air.blogspot.com

          --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Citizens Active
          <citizensactive@...> wrote:
          >
          > I like the simple approach, I think some beginners get scared off or
          confused withh all the jargon. I'll leave the details to you aged vets!
          >
          >
          >
        • Marc Moss
          If you seek certain results, then doctines that accord to your view of reality as of now are simply guideposts, outlines to learn how to color the picture in
          Message 4 of 12 , Feb 21, 2007
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            If you seek certain results, then doctines that accord to your view of reality as of now are simply guideposts, outlines to learn how to color the picture in the book before moving forward. Master this coloring book and you move on to a new one.
             
            People fear doctrines because they do not like external restraints placed upon them. But, if the doctrines are recipes for producing the desired results, what happens if you leave out an ingredient? Do you get the same results? A spiritual path has to work, bottom line, if it's to be accepted by it's follower. It should produce the end result we seek.
             
            Study the doctrines and follow what you can accept and table the others. If you don't get it right away, don't criticize it, just don't put it into practice yet.
             
            Marc 


             
             
             
             
             
            As long as space remains, as long as living beings remain, until then - may I too remain to dispel the sufferings of the world. - Master Shantideva
             
             
             


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          • Jeff Belyea
            Beautiful photos. Thanks. ... remain ... of ... off or ... vets!
            Message 5 of 12 , Feb 21, 2007
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              Beautiful photos. Thanks.


              --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, kushikushun
              <no_reply@...> wrote:
              >
              > I heard someone say about Zen meditation that it is important to
              remain
              > a beginner. But maybe thats just zennish. I am not to fond myself
              of
              > the jargon I always get the feeling it might get too close to a
              > doctrine. But then again , I am just a beginner ;)
              >
              > So yeah I am all for the simple approach too.
              >
              > Take Care, Francisca.
              > meditation-air.blogspot.com
              >
              > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Citizens Active
              > <citizensactive@> wrote:
              > >
              > > I like the simple approach, I think some beginners get scared
              off or
              > confused withh all the jargon. I'll leave the details to you aged
              vets!
              > >
              > >
              > >
              >
            • sean tremblay
              Has anyone read The cloud of unknowing not Buddhist but I ve been chewing on this on this one for over a year now. It s a small book but lots to contemplate.
              Message 6 of 12 , Feb 21, 2007
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                Has anyone read "The cloud of unknowing" not Buddhist but I've been chewing on this on this one for over a year now. It's a small book but lots to contemplate.

                Marc Moss <jellybean0729@...> wrote:
                If you seek certain results, then doctines that accord to your view of reality as of now are simply guideposts, outlines to learn how to color the picture in the book before moving forward. Master this coloring book and you move on to a new one.
                 
                People fear doctrines because they do not like external restraints placed upon them. But, if the doctrines are recipes for producing the desired results, what happens if you leave out an ingredient? Do you get the same results? A spiritual path has to work, bottom line, if it's to be accepted by it's follower. It should produce the end result we seek.
                 
                Study the doctrines and follow what you can accept and table the others. If you don't get it right away, don't criticize it, just don't put it into practice yet.
                 
                Marc 


                 
                 
                 
                 
                 
                As long as space remains, as long as living beings remain, until then - may I too remain to dispel the sufferings of the world. - Master Shantideva
                 
                 
                 

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              • medit8ionsociety
                ... Yo Papajeff, I agree that the pics are beautiful. They remind me of the artwork in your excellent book Sunrise at Two Lions which is available at Amazon at
                Message 7 of 12 , Feb 21, 2007
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                  --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
                  <jeff@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Beautiful photos. Thanks.
                  >
                  Yo Papajeff,
                  I agree that the pics are beautiful. They
                  remind me of the artwork in your excellent
                  book Sunrise at Two Lions which is available
                  at Amazon at this URL:
                  http://tinyurl.com/26atl4
                  And of course, the book is also perfect for
                  beginners!
                  Peace and blessings,
                  Bob
                  > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, kushikushun
                  > <no_reply@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > I heard someone say about Zen meditation that it is important to
                  > remain
                  > > a beginner. But maybe thats just zennish. I am not to fond myself
                  > of
                  > > the jargon I always get the feeling it might get too close to a
                  > > doctrine. But then again , I am just a beginner ;)
                  > >
                  > > So yeah I am all for the simple approach too.
                  > >
                  > > Take Care, Francisca.
                  > > meditation-air.blogspot.com
                  > >
                  > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Citizens Active
                  > > <citizensactive@> wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > I like the simple approach, I think some beginners get scared
                  > off or
                  > > confused withh all the jargon. I'll leave the details to you aged
                  > vets!
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > >
                  >
                • Jeff Belyea
                  Sean - Yes. The Cloud of Unknowing is a great book. It is a classic on meditation - that typically focusing on something - like breath or a candle light, and
                  Message 8 of 12 , Feb 22, 2007
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                    Sean -

                    Yes.

                    The Cloud of Unknowing is a great book. It is a classic
                    on meditation - that typically focusing on "something" - like breath
                    or a candle light, and the next step into "nowhere and nothing" of
                    what is typically known as contemplation.

                    Silencing the mind is the goal. Absolute silence - no inner chatter,
                    sustained for even a few seconds (not as easy as it might seem)can
                    bring the contemplator into a direct experiential shift into pure
                    intuitive consciousness, into what is almost always described in
                    spiritual terms; like, "coming into the very presence of God" - the
                    goal of meditation (at least for the theist).

                    The "knowing" or coming through the cloud of unknowing is often
                    called enlightenment or realization - and does not depend on any
                    specific model (religious tradition), but many Christians (and even
                    Buddhists) find The Cloud of Unknowing a powerful presentation and
                    guide into meditation and the comtemplative life.

                    Love,as always,

                    Jeff


                    --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
                    <bethjams9@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Has anyone read "The cloud of unknowing" not Buddhist but I've been
                    chewing on this on this one for over a year now. It's a small book
                    but lots to contemplate.
                    >
                    > Marc Moss <jellybean0729@...> wrote: If you seek
                    certain results, then doctines that accord to your view of reality as
                    of now are simply guideposts, outlines to learn how to color the
                    picture in the book before moving forward. Master this coloring book
                    and you move on to a new one.
                    >
                    > People fear doctrines because they do not like external
                    restraints placed upon them. But, if the doctrines are recipes for
                    producing the desired results, what happens if you leave out an
                    ingredient? Do you get the same results? A spiritual path has to
                    work, bottom line, if it's to be accepted by it's follower. It should
                    produce the end result we seek.
                    >
                    > Study the doctrines and follow what you can accept and table the
                    others. If you don't get it right away, don't criticize it, just
                    don't put it into practice yet.
                    >
                    > Marc
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > As long as space remains, as long as living beings remain, until
                    then - may I too remain to dispel the sufferings of the world. -
                    Master Shantideva
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
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