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The Substance of Maya

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  • Jeff Belyea
    One of the most inept translations of the word maya offered by the neo-Hindu and the step-child Buddhist is illusion . And that leads to a lot of confusion
    Message 1 of 2 , Feb 8, 2007
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      One of the most inept translations
      of the word "maya" offered by
      the neo-Hindu and the step-child
      Buddhist is "illusion". And that
      leads to a lot of confusion and
      twisting of logic (not to mention
      strangling of language - which
      will be mentioned later)in an
      attempt to fit a somehow plausible
      explanation of nondual realization
      and its big sister "enlightenment"
      into the necessarily dualistic nature
      of person-to-person communication -
      in person, or in pixels.

      Maya - the realm of thought, skin
      and bone, and waves and particles
      of matter, may be viewed as a "secondary"
      or mundane reality, once the "primary"
      or separate reality is "known" through
      the prism of enlightenment, but trying
      to overlay nondual language on the
      duality of the physical world leads
      to silly semantics and the gobbledegooks
      of grammar.

      Maya has its own "reality", and
      all blood, sweat and tears beings
      are part of it. No me, no you,
      nothing...is nonsense (and not
      in a good way)to the unenlightened,
      and unnecessary for the enlightened.

      Using terms like illusion, or "the
      APPEARANCE of...say,oysters", is
      silly. These teeth-chilling
      "teachings" reveal a gap in
      direct experiential knowledge,
      and a dependence on what amounts
      to superstitious fawning and
      pathetic parroting. (See
      religious fundamentalism).


      This is why meditation - the
      diamond point of stillness - is
      the most often reported chariot
      of the gods. Here there are
      no words, just pristine clarity.

      The person who earlier took negative
      connotation goes up in a puff
      of ether, and the "reborn"
      person steps into perfection -
      yet cannot put into words
      what they now know.

      They can only point to the moon. (Osho)


      2 cents OBO,

      Jeff
    • Marc Moss
      No offense, Jeff, but you are using as much dualism to interpret nonduality...and you criticise Buddha s teaching from a fledgling understanding of the deeper
      Message 2 of 2 , Feb 8, 2007
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        No offense, Jeff, but you are using as much dualism to interpret nonduality...and you criticise Buddha's teaching from a fledgling understanding of the deeper teachings. The fact that you believe all things to have some type of existence "in front of you" and like to attack the "illusory" way that they appear, show a deeper reality of the definition of parroting.
         
        Things are not illusions, they are LIKE illusions. Sit still long enough on the proper object and the "step-child" you are criticizing will turn out to be your mother.
         
        Thanks, but it was in fact simply two cents...but you're on to something!
         
        Sonam


         
         
         
         
         
        As long as space remains, as long as living beings remain, until then - may I too remain to dispel the sufferings of the world. - Master Shantideva
         
         
         


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