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  • jodyrrr
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    Message 1 of 10 , Jul 6, 2006
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      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, troy galloway <trgallo12000@...>
      wrote:
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      > Thank you for sharing this. I am new to this group but not to the practice. You are
      > right on and would love to hear more

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    • prakki surya
      Authority in Spiritual Concepts: Whenever you make any decision, you have to follow three authorities: 1) Shruti i.e., Veda, Bible, Gita; 2) Yukti i.e., logic;
      Message 2 of 10 , Jul 7, 2006
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        Authority in Spiritual Concepts:

        Whenever you make any decision, you have to follow three authorities: 1) Shruti i.e., Veda, Bible, Gita; 2) Yukti i.e., logic; 3) Anubhava i.e., experience.
         
        Ex:1) To learn philosophy, the world gives the real picture. Books may contain faulty knowledge, but the world contains only the truth. To know whether the concept in the book is right or not you must refer to the world. Any concept in the scripture should be discussed with logic and finally approved only through its experience in the world. So the purest love can be seen in the world. Suppose somebody loves and serves you without aspiring anything in return and his love is pure by all your tests, you imagine how much you are pleased! You will do anything for him. It applies to God also. If you serve Him without aspiring anything in return from Him and if your pure love passes all His severe tests, He will do anything for your sake. Love is proved only through service. Mere words and feelings are of no use. Service can be associated with words and feelings, like a plate of rice is associated with curry and pickles.
         
        2) In the case of idol and image worship, the Shruti says ‘Natasya Pratima Asti’ (Lord will not enter statues). The Yukti is that one cannot make any inert object alive by any technique. A dead body cannot get life by the chanting of the Vedic hymn which is recited in the Prana Pratishta (life initiation). If you say that life has entered the statue by such Prana Pratishta, why can’t you make the dead body alive by the same? The experience is that by any technique, we do not experience life in any inert object including a dead body. Therefore if you say that the life enters the statue, it cannot be accepted. Then what is the meaning of this Prana pratishta? Since you are rigid in not accepting the human form of God due to your egoism and jealousy there is no other way than to teach you like this. Thus, Prana Pratishta is teaching you that the human form with life alone should be worshipped by the sixteen modes.
         
        3) An employee does service for the whole month and he does not have to put in a formal request to the government to give his monthly salary. The salary is put into his account automatically. He does not beg for his salary by singing songs and weeping. Similarly, Hanuman participated in the service of Lord Rama in human form and got the fruit of His service, which was the post of the future creator of the Universe. He did not sing bhajans, chant hymns, meditate or shed tears etc., for the fruit. Therefore what is the use of these things without the service? An elephant is fed with sugar cane in a dignified way. The elephant does a lot of work in carrying big logs etc. A dog does not do any service and it begs for food by wagging its tail, by crying, by falling at the feet of people but it is not given food or at the most it is given leftovers. Therefore the knowledge and devotion should lead to service, which are like the degrees acquired by you. Merely for your degree, no salary will be given. With the help of the degree you have to get a job and do service for which alone you can get the salary. The degrees will only help you to get a job but they cannot give you the salary directly. With the help of knowledge you can recognize the human incarnation. With the help of devotion you will come near Him and become dear to Him so that you can participate in His service. You get the fruit for your service and not for your knowledge and devotion.
         
        Conclusion: It is always great to give God that which you cannot give to anybody. What is the greatness in giving that which you can give to anyone? People easily give words and mind and there is no greatness in sacrificing such things. It is very difficult to sacrifice the fruit of work (money). Therefore the greatness lies in sacrificing work or the fruit of work. The Gita emphasized on Karma Phala Tyaga in view of the nearing Kali Yuga. Soon after the Mahabharata war, Kali entered. Since the Lord knows that in the Kali age, money, which is the fruit of the work, is going to be the topmost item, He emphasized the sacrifice of money (Karma Phala Tyaga) everywhere in the Gita.
         
        At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami
        surya


        troy galloway <trgallo12000@...> wrote:
        Thank you for sharing this. I am new to this group but not to the practice. You are right on and would love to hear more

        jodyrrr <jodyrrr@...> wrote:
        --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, "surya" <dattapr2000@ ...> wrote:
        > Meditation is continuous thinking of such knowledge and other interpretations are  either useless or of little use.
        What is of little use are your grandiose stylings designed to aggrandize your deluded sense of self as an incarnation of God.
        Meditation is an effort to engender clarity. Musing about your divinity brings clarity the way the winter runoff clarifies the Mississippi River.


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      • jodyrrr
        Swami Datta is the authority on Spiritual Conceits, his own.
        Message 3 of 10 , Jul 7, 2006
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          Swami Datta is the authority on Spiritual Conceits, his own.
        • trgallo12000
          To your thoughts they are indeed insightful. As to your conclusion to this you state that it is always great to give to God that which we can not give to
          Message 4 of 10 , Jul 8, 2006
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            To your thoughts they are indeed insightful. As to your conclusion
            to this you state that it is always great to give to God that which
            we can not give to others, and I ask how can this be? The bible
            states that to give is to give to God. This would make sense being
            we all our of God and we all our Gods. So the greatest gift is to
            give to all beings and to all life and open up and allow ourselfs
            to recive that which is God





            --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, prakki surya
            <dattapr2000@...> wrote:
            >
            > Authority in Spiritual Concepts:
            > Whenever you make any decision, you have to follow three
            authorities: 1) Shruti i.e., Veda, Bible, Gita; 2) Yukti i.e.,
            logic; 3) Anubhava i.e., experience.
            >
            > Ex:1) To learn philosophy, the world gives the real picture.
            Books may contain faulty knowledge, but the world contains only the
            truth. To know whether the concept in the book is right or not you
            must refer to the world. Any concept in the scripture should be
            discussed with logic and finally approved only through its
            experience in the world. So the purest love can be seen in the
            world. Suppose somebody loves and serves you without aspiring
            anything in return and his love is pure by all your tests, you
            imagine how much you are pleased! You will do anything for him. It
            applies to God also. If you serve Him without aspiring anything in
            return from Him and if your pure love passes all His severe tests,
            He will do anything for your sake. Love is proved only through
            service. Mere words and feelings are of no use. Service can be
            associated with words and feelings, like a plate of rice is
            associated with curry and pickles.
            >
            > 2) In the case of idol and image worship, the Shruti
            says `Natasya Pratima Asti' (Lord will not enter statues). The Yukti
            is that one cannot make any inert object alive by any technique. A
            dead body cannot get life by the chanting of the Vedic hymn which is
            recited in the Prana Pratishta (life initiation). If you say that
            life has entered the statue by such Prana Pratishta, why can't you
            make the dead body alive by the same? The experience is that by any
            technique, we do not experience life in any inert object including a
            dead body. Therefore if you say that the life enters the statue, it
            cannot be accepted. Then what is the meaning of this Prana
            pratishta? Since you are rigid in not accepting the human form of
            God due to your egoism and jealousy there is no other way than to
            teach you like this. Thus, Prana Pratishta is teaching you that the
            human form with life alone should be worshipped by the sixteen
            modes.
            >
            > 3) An employee does service for the whole month and he does not
            have to put in a formal request to the government to give his
            monthly salary. The salary is put into his account automatically. He
            does not beg for his salary by singing songs and weeping. Similarly,
            Hanuman participated in the service of Lord Rama in human form and
            got the fruit of His service, which was the post of the future
            creator of the Universe. He did not sing bhajans, chant hymns,
            meditate or shed tears etc., for the fruit. Therefore what is the
            use of these things without the service? An elephant is fed with
            sugar cane in a dignified way. The elephant does a lot of work in
            carrying big logs etc. A dog does not do any service and it begs for
            food by wagging its tail, by crying, by falling at the feet of
            people but it is not given food or at the most it is given
            leftovers. Therefore the knowledge and devotion should lead to
            service, which are like the degrees acquired by you. Merely for your
            degree,
            > no salary will be given. With the help of the degree you have to
            get a job and do service for which alone you can get the salary. The
            degrees will only help you to get a job but they cannot give you the
            salary directly. With the help of knowledge you can recognize the
            human incarnation. With the help of devotion you will come near Him
            and become dear to Him so that you can participate in His service.
            You get the fruit for your service and not for your knowledge and
            devotion.
            >
            > Conclusion: It is always great to give God that which you cannot
            give to anybody. What is the greatness in giving that which you can
            give to anyone? People easily give words and mind and there is no
            greatness in sacrificing such things. It is very difficult to
            sacrifice the fruit of work (money). Therefore the greatness lies in
            sacrificing work or the fruit of work. The Gita emphasized on Karma
            Phala Tyaga in view of the nearing Kali Yuga. Soon after the
            Mahabharata war, Kali entered. Since the Lord knows that in the Kali
            age, money, which is the fruit of the work, is going to be the
            topmost item, He emphasized the sacrifice of money (Karma Phala
            Tyaga) everywhere in the Gita.
            >
            > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami
            > surya
            > http://www.universal-spirituality.org
            >
            >
            > troy galloway <trgallo12000@...> wrote: Thank you for
            sharing this. I am new to this group but not to the practice. You
            are right on and would love to hear more
            >
            > jodyrrr <jodyrrr@...> wrote: --- In
            meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "surya" <dattapr2000@>
            wrote:
            > > Meditation is continuous thinking of such knowledge and other
            interpretations are either useless or of little use.
            > What is of little use are your grandiose stylings designed to
            aggrandize your deluded sense of self as an incarnation of God.
            > Meditation is an effort to engender clarity. Musing about your
            divinity brings clarity the way the winter runoff clarifies the
            Mississippi River.
            >
            >
            >
            >
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            > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
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