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Re: [Meditation Society of America] "Spaciousness"

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  • Bruce Morgen
    The true meditative state is the spontaneous absence of all intent. When such a state becomes the default perceptual (non-)condition associated with a nominal
    Message 1 of 8 , Mar 2, 2006
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      The true meditative state is
      the spontaneous absence of all
      intent. When such a state
      becomes the default perceptual
      (non-)condition associated with
      a nominal individual (i.e. when
      there's no service for said
      individual's thoughts to perform
      on the host organism's behalf),
      it is often referred to as
      "realization," "enlightenment,"
      or some such hoopla -- one
      supposes on account of its
      apparent rarity among our
      species.


      Sandeep wrote:

      >
      > *
      > In the presence of a sense of purpose*, *there is no meditation.
      >
      > Which is not to say that activities do not happen, with which is
      > associated a sense of purpose and which is then believed to be meditation.
      > *
      >
      >
      > *The maximizing/minimizing hoopla, viewed as profound meditation is
      > no different to the same hoopla in the market place.
      >
      >
      > The same round and round the mulberry bush.
      >
      > Just that the bush has been replaced.:-)
      >
      >
      >
      > **In meditativeness, there is the absence of the sense of the entity,
      >
      > and thus the absence of the sense of a distinction, the sense of any
      > distinction,
      >
      > and thus the absence of any craving to maximize something or minimize
      > something else.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > In a deeper sense (so to say).........even this distinction of what is
      > meditativeness and what is not.........really has no basis.
      >
      > Which means, that in all the sense of the attempts to maximize
      > something or minimize something else, .....
      >
      > ....nothing is actually getting maximized or minimized.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Thus spaciousness, meditativeness .........is the very absence of the
      > presence of concepts of "spaciousness", "meditativeness".....
      >
      > .....AND....
      >
      > .....the absence of the absence of the **presence of concepts of
      > "spaciousness", "meditativeness".
      >
      >
      >
      > *
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
      >
      >> Dear Sandeep,
      >>
      >> Can you accomodate the following realities?
      >>
      >> The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and
      >> thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal forces are operating
      >> spontaneously in us. The purpose of meditation is to maximise the
      >> former and minimise the later.
      >>
      >> regards,
      >> Jogeshwar
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
      >> <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
      >> >
      >> > *
      >> >
      >> > In spontaneity, there is neither the favourable nor the
      >> unfavourable.
      >> >
      >> > In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.
      >> >
      >> > **And there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)
      >> >
      >> >
      >> > *
      >> >
      >> > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
      >> >
      >> > > And not on favourable spontaneity?
      >> > >
      >> > > regards,
      >> > > Jogeshwar
      >> > >
      >
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