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  • jogeshwarmahanta
    Crowding or clarity? regards, Jogeshwar ... meditation. ... is no ... entity, ... any ... minimize ... what is ... something ... the ...
    Message 1 of 8 , Mar 2, 2006
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      Crowding or clarity?

      regards,
      Jogeshwar









      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
      <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > *
      > In the presence of a sense of purpose*, *there is no meditation.
      >
      > Which is not to say that activities do not happen, with which is
      > associated a sense of purpose and which is then believed to be
      meditation.
      > *
      >
      >
      > *The maximizing/minimizing hoopla, viewed as profound meditation
      is no
      > different to the same hoopla in the market place.
      >
      >
      > The same round and round the mulberry bush.
      >
      > Just that the bush has been replaced.:-)
      >
      >
      >
      > **In meditativeness, there is the absence of the sense of the
      entity,
      >
      > and thus the absence of the sense of a distinction, the sense of
      any
      > distinction,
      >
      > and thus the absence of any craving to maximize something or
      minimize
      > something else.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > In a deeper sense (so to say).........even this distinction of
      what is
      > meditativeness and what is not.........really has no basis.
      >
      > Which means, that in all the sense of the attempts to maximize
      something
      > or minimize something else, .....
      >
      > ....nothing is actually getting maximized or minimized.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Thus spaciousness, meditativeness .........is the very absence of
      the
      > presence of concepts of "spaciousness", "meditativeness".....
      >
      > .....AND....
      >
      > .....the absence of the absence of the **presence of concepts of
      > "spaciousness", "meditativeness".
      >
      >
      >
      > *
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
      >
      > > Dear Sandeep,
      > >
      > > Can you accomodate the following realities?
      > >
      > > The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and
      > > thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal forces are operating
      > > spontaneously in us. The purpose of meditation is to maximise the
      > > former and minimise the later.
      > >
      > > regards,
      > > Jogeshwar
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
      > > <sandeep1960@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > *
      > > >
      > > > In spontaneity, there is neither the favourable nor the
      > > unfavourable.
      > > >
      > > > In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.
      > > >
      > > > **And there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > *
      > > >
      > > > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
      > > >
      > > > > And not on favourable spontaneity?
      > > > >
      > > > > regards,
      > > > > Jogeshwar
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
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    • Bruce Morgen
      The true meditative state is the spontaneous absence of all intent. When such a state becomes the default perceptual (non-)condition associated with a nominal
      Message 2 of 8 , Mar 2, 2006
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        The true meditative state is
        the spontaneous absence of all
        intent. When such a state
        becomes the default perceptual
        (non-)condition associated with
        a nominal individual (i.e. when
        there's no service for said
        individual's thoughts to perform
        on the host organism's behalf),
        it is often referred to as
        "realization," "enlightenment,"
        or some such hoopla -- one
        supposes on account of its
        apparent rarity among our
        species.


        Sandeep wrote:

        >
        > *
        > In the presence of a sense of purpose*, *there is no meditation.
        >
        > Which is not to say that activities do not happen, with which is
        > associated a sense of purpose and which is then believed to be meditation.
        > *
        >
        >
        > *The maximizing/minimizing hoopla, viewed as profound meditation is
        > no different to the same hoopla in the market place.
        >
        >
        > The same round and round the mulberry bush.
        >
        > Just that the bush has been replaced.:-)
        >
        >
        >
        > **In meditativeness, there is the absence of the sense of the entity,
        >
        > and thus the absence of the sense of a distinction, the sense of any
        > distinction,
        >
        > and thus the absence of any craving to maximize something or minimize
        > something else.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > In a deeper sense (so to say).........even this distinction of what is
        > meditativeness and what is not.........really has no basis.
        >
        > Which means, that in all the sense of the attempts to maximize
        > something or minimize something else, .....
        >
        > ....nothing is actually getting maximized or minimized.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Thus spaciousness, meditativeness .........is the very absence of the
        > presence of concepts of "spaciousness", "meditativeness".....
        >
        > .....AND....
        >
        > .....the absence of the absence of the **presence of concepts of
        > "spaciousness", "meditativeness".
        >
        >
        >
        > *
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
        >
        >> Dear Sandeep,
        >>
        >> Can you accomodate the following realities?
        >>
        >> The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and
        >> thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal forces are operating
        >> spontaneously in us. The purpose of meditation is to maximise the
        >> former and minimise the later.
        >>
        >> regards,
        >> Jogeshwar
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
        >> <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
        >> >
        >> > *
        >> >
        >> > In spontaneity, there is neither the favourable nor the
        >> unfavourable.
        >> >
        >> > In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.
        >> >
        >> > **And there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)
        >> >
        >> >
        >> > *
        >> >
        >> > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
        >> >
        >> > > And not on favourable spontaneity?
        >> > >
        >> > > regards,
        >> > > Jogeshwar
        >> > >
        >
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