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  • Sandeep
    * In the presence of a sense of purpose*, *there is no meditation. Which is not to say that activities do not happen, with which is associated a sense of
    Message 1 of 8 , Mar 2, 2006
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      In the presence of a sense of purpose
      , there is no meditation.

      Which is not to say that activities do not happen, with which is associated a sense of purpose and which is then believed to be meditation.



      The maximizing/minimizing hoopla,  viewed as profound meditation is no different to the same hoopla in the market place.


      The same round and round the mulberry bush.

      Just that the bush has been replaced.:-)



      In meditativeness, there is the absence of the sense of the entity,

      and thus the absence of the sense of a distinction, the sense of any distinction,

      and thus the absence of any craving to maximize something or minimize something else.





      In a deeper sense (so to say).........even this distinction of what is meditativeness and what is not.........really has no basis.

      Which means, that in all the sense of the attempts to maximize something or minimize something else, .....

      ....nothing is actually getting maximized or minimized.




      Thus spaciousness, meditativeness  .........is the very absence of the presence of concepts of "spaciousness", "meditativeness".....

      .....AND....

      .....the absence of the absence of the
      presence of concepts of "spaciousness", "meditativeness".








      jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
      Dear Sandeep,

      Can you accomodate the following realities?

      The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and
      thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal forces are operating
      spontaneously in us. The purpose of meditation is to maximise the
      former and minimise the later.

      regards,
      Jogeshwar






      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
      <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
      >
      > *
      >
      > In spontaneity, there is neither the  favourable nor the
      unfavourable.
      >
      > In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.

      > **And  there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)
      >
      >
      > *
      >
      > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
      >
      > > And not on favourable spontaneity?
      > >
      > > regards,
      > > Jogeshwar
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
      -------
      > >
      >





    • jogeshwarmahanta
      Crowding or clarity? regards, Jogeshwar ... meditation. ... is no ... entity, ... any ... minimize ... what is ... something ... the ...
      Message 2 of 8 , Mar 2, 2006
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        Crowding or clarity?

        regards,
        Jogeshwar









        --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
        <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
        >
        >
        > *
        > In the presence of a sense of purpose*, *there is no meditation.
        >
        > Which is not to say that activities do not happen, with which is
        > associated a sense of purpose and which is then believed to be
        meditation.
        > *
        >
        >
        > *The maximizing/minimizing hoopla, viewed as profound meditation
        is no
        > different to the same hoopla in the market place.
        >
        >
        > The same round and round the mulberry bush.
        >
        > Just that the bush has been replaced.:-)
        >
        >
        >
        > **In meditativeness, there is the absence of the sense of the
        entity,
        >
        > and thus the absence of the sense of a distinction, the sense of
        any
        > distinction,
        >
        > and thus the absence of any craving to maximize something or
        minimize
        > something else.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > In a deeper sense (so to say).........even this distinction of
        what is
        > meditativeness and what is not.........really has no basis.
        >
        > Which means, that in all the sense of the attempts to maximize
        something
        > or minimize something else, .....
        >
        > ....nothing is actually getting maximized or minimized.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Thus spaciousness, meditativeness .........is the very absence of
        the
        > presence of concepts of "spaciousness", "meditativeness".....
        >
        > .....AND....
        >
        > .....the absence of the absence of the **presence of concepts of
        > "spaciousness", "meditativeness".
        >
        >
        >
        > *
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
        >
        > > Dear Sandeep,
        > >
        > > Can you accomodate the following realities?
        > >
        > > The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and
        > > thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal forces are operating
        > > spontaneously in us. The purpose of meditation is to maximise the
        > > former and minimise the later.
        > >
        > > regards,
        > > Jogeshwar
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
        > > <sandeep1960@> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > *
        > > >
        > > > In spontaneity, there is neither the favourable nor the
        > > unfavourable.
        > > >
        > > > In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.
        > > >
        > > > **And there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > *
        > > >
        > > > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
        > > >
        > > > > And not on favourable spontaneity?
        > > > >
        > > > > regards,
        > > > > Jogeshwar
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
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      • Bruce Morgen
        The true meditative state is the spontaneous absence of all intent. When such a state becomes the default perceptual (non-)condition associated with a nominal
        Message 3 of 8 , Mar 2, 2006
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          The true meditative state is
          the spontaneous absence of all
          intent. When such a state
          becomes the default perceptual
          (non-)condition associated with
          a nominal individual (i.e. when
          there's no service for said
          individual's thoughts to perform
          on the host organism's behalf),
          it is often referred to as
          "realization," "enlightenment,"
          or some such hoopla -- one
          supposes on account of its
          apparent rarity among our
          species.


          Sandeep wrote:

          >
          > *
          > In the presence of a sense of purpose*, *there is no meditation.
          >
          > Which is not to say that activities do not happen, with which is
          > associated a sense of purpose and which is then believed to be meditation.
          > *
          >
          >
          > *The maximizing/minimizing hoopla, viewed as profound meditation is
          > no different to the same hoopla in the market place.
          >
          >
          > The same round and round the mulberry bush.
          >
          > Just that the bush has been replaced.:-)
          >
          >
          >
          > **In meditativeness, there is the absence of the sense of the entity,
          >
          > and thus the absence of the sense of a distinction, the sense of any
          > distinction,
          >
          > and thus the absence of any craving to maximize something or minimize
          > something else.
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > In a deeper sense (so to say).........even this distinction of what is
          > meditativeness and what is not.........really has no basis.
          >
          > Which means, that in all the sense of the attempts to maximize
          > something or minimize something else, .....
          >
          > ....nothing is actually getting maximized or minimized.
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > Thus spaciousness, meditativeness .........is the very absence of the
          > presence of concepts of "spaciousness", "meditativeness".....
          >
          > .....AND....
          >
          > .....the absence of the absence of the **presence of concepts of
          > "spaciousness", "meditativeness".
          >
          >
          >
          > *
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
          >
          >> Dear Sandeep,
          >>
          >> Can you accomodate the following realities?
          >>
          >> The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and
          >> thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal forces are operating
          >> spontaneously in us. The purpose of meditation is to maximise the
          >> former and minimise the later.
          >>
          >> regards,
          >> Jogeshwar
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
          >> <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
          >> >
          >> > *
          >> >
          >> > In spontaneity, there is neither the favourable nor the
          >> unfavourable.
          >> >
          >> > In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.
          >> >
          >> > **And there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)
          >> >
          >> >
          >> > *
          >> >
          >> > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
          >> >
          >> > > And not on favourable spontaneity?
          >> > >
          >> > > regards,
          >> > > Jogeshwar
          >> > >
          >
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