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  • Sandeep
    * In spontaneity, there is neither the favourable nor the unfavourable. In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity. **And there is nothing
    Message 1 of 8 , Mar 2, 2006
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      In spontaneity, there is neither the  favourable nor the unfavourable.

      In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.
       
      And  there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)




      jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
      And not on favourable spontaneity?

      regards,
      Jogeshwar






    • jogeshwarmahanta
      Dear Sandeep, Can you accomodate the following realities? The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal
      Message 2 of 8 , Mar 2, 2006
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        Dear Sandeep,

        Can you accomodate the following realities?

        The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and
        thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal forces are operating
        spontaneously in us. The purpose of meditation is to maximise the
        former and minimise the later.

        regards,
        Jogeshwar






        --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
        <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
        >
        > *
        >
        > In spontaneity, there is neither the favourable nor the
        unfavourable.
        >
        > In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.
        >
        > **And there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)
        >
        >
        > *
        >
        > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
        >
        > > And not on favourable spontaneity?
        > >
        > > regards,
        > > Jogeshwar
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
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        > >
        >
      • Sandeep
        * In the presence of a sense of purpose*, *there is no meditation. Which is not to say that activities do not happen, with which is associated a sense of
        Message 3 of 8 , Mar 2, 2006
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          In the presence of a sense of purpose
          , there is no meditation.

          Which is not to say that activities do not happen, with which is associated a sense of purpose and which is then believed to be meditation.



          The maximizing/minimizing hoopla,  viewed as profound meditation is no different to the same hoopla in the market place.


          The same round and round the mulberry bush.

          Just that the bush has been replaced.:-)



          In meditativeness, there is the absence of the sense of the entity,

          and thus the absence of the sense of a distinction, the sense of any distinction,

          and thus the absence of any craving to maximize something or minimize something else.





          In a deeper sense (so to say).........even this distinction of what is meditativeness and what is not.........really has no basis.

          Which means, that in all the sense of the attempts to maximize something or minimize something else, .....

          ....nothing is actually getting maximized or minimized.




          Thus spaciousness, meditativeness  .........is the very absence of the presence of concepts of "spaciousness", "meditativeness".....

          .....AND....

          .....the absence of the absence of the
          presence of concepts of "spaciousness", "meditativeness".








          jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
          Dear Sandeep,

          Can you accomodate the following realities?

          The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and
          thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal forces are operating
          spontaneously in us. The purpose of meditation is to maximise the
          former and minimise the later.

          regards,
          Jogeshwar






          --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
          <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
          >
          > *
          >
          > In spontaneity, there is neither the  favourable nor the
          unfavourable.
          >
          > In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.

          > **And  there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)
          >
          >
          > *
          >
          > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
          >
          > > And not on favourable spontaneity?
          > >
          > > regards,
          > > Jogeshwar
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
          -------
          > >
          >





        • jogeshwarmahanta
          Crowding or clarity? regards, Jogeshwar ... meditation. ... is no ... entity, ... any ... minimize ... what is ... something ... the ...
          Message 4 of 8 , Mar 2, 2006
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            Crowding or clarity?

            regards,
            Jogeshwar









            --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
            <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
            >
            >
            > *
            > In the presence of a sense of purpose*, *there is no meditation.
            >
            > Which is not to say that activities do not happen, with which is
            > associated a sense of purpose and which is then believed to be
            meditation.
            > *
            >
            >
            > *The maximizing/minimizing hoopla, viewed as profound meditation
            is no
            > different to the same hoopla in the market place.
            >
            >
            > The same round and round the mulberry bush.
            >
            > Just that the bush has been replaced.:-)
            >
            >
            >
            > **In meditativeness, there is the absence of the sense of the
            entity,
            >
            > and thus the absence of the sense of a distinction, the sense of
            any
            > distinction,
            >
            > and thus the absence of any craving to maximize something or
            minimize
            > something else.
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > In a deeper sense (so to say).........even this distinction of
            what is
            > meditativeness and what is not.........really has no basis.
            >
            > Which means, that in all the sense of the attempts to maximize
            something
            > or minimize something else, .....
            >
            > ....nothing is actually getting maximized or minimized.
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > Thus spaciousness, meditativeness .........is the very absence of
            the
            > presence of concepts of "spaciousness", "meditativeness".....
            >
            > .....AND....
            >
            > .....the absence of the absence of the **presence of concepts of
            > "spaciousness", "meditativeness".
            >
            >
            >
            > *
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
            >
            > > Dear Sandeep,
            > >
            > > Can you accomodate the following realities?
            > >
            > > The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and
            > > thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal forces are operating
            > > spontaneously in us. The purpose of meditation is to maximise the
            > > former and minimise the later.
            > >
            > > regards,
            > > Jogeshwar
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
            > > <sandeep1960@> wrote:
            > > >
            > > > *
            > > >
            > > > In spontaneity, there is neither the favourable nor the
            > > unfavourable.
            > > >
            > > > In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.
            > > >
            > > > **And there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > *
            > > >
            > > > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
            > > >
            > > > > And not on favourable spontaneity?
            > > > >
            > > > > regards,
            > > > > Jogeshwar
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
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          • Bruce Morgen
            The true meditative state is the spontaneous absence of all intent. When such a state becomes the default perceptual (non-)condition associated with a nominal
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              The true meditative state is
              the spontaneous absence of all
              intent. When such a state
              becomes the default perceptual
              (non-)condition associated with
              a nominal individual (i.e. when
              there's no service for said
              individual's thoughts to perform
              on the host organism's behalf),
              it is often referred to as
              "realization," "enlightenment,"
              or some such hoopla -- one
              supposes on account of its
              apparent rarity among our
              species.


              Sandeep wrote:

              >
              > *
              > In the presence of a sense of purpose*, *there is no meditation.
              >
              > Which is not to say that activities do not happen, with which is
              > associated a sense of purpose and which is then believed to be meditation.
              > *
              >
              >
              > *The maximizing/minimizing hoopla, viewed as profound meditation is
              > no different to the same hoopla in the market place.
              >
              >
              > The same round and round the mulberry bush.
              >
              > Just that the bush has been replaced.:-)
              >
              >
              >
              > **In meditativeness, there is the absence of the sense of the entity,
              >
              > and thus the absence of the sense of a distinction, the sense of any
              > distinction,
              >
              > and thus the absence of any craving to maximize something or minimize
              > something else.
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > In a deeper sense (so to say).........even this distinction of what is
              > meditativeness and what is not.........really has no basis.
              >
              > Which means, that in all the sense of the attempts to maximize
              > something or minimize something else, .....
              >
              > ....nothing is actually getting maximized or minimized.
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Thus spaciousness, meditativeness .........is the very absence of the
              > presence of concepts of "spaciousness", "meditativeness".....
              >
              > .....AND....
              >
              > .....the absence of the absence of the **presence of concepts of
              > "spaciousness", "meditativeness".
              >
              >
              >
              > *
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
              >
              >> Dear Sandeep,
              >>
              >> Can you accomodate the following realities?
              >>
              >> The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and
              >> thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal forces are operating
              >> spontaneously in us. The purpose of meditation is to maximise the
              >> former and minimise the later.
              >>
              >> regards,
              >> Jogeshwar
              >>
              >>
              >>
              >>
              >>
              >>
              >> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
              >> <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
              >> >
              >> > *
              >> >
              >> > In spontaneity, there is neither the favourable nor the
              >> unfavourable.
              >> >
              >> > In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.
              >> >
              >> > **And there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)
              >> >
              >> >
              >> > *
              >> >
              >> > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
              >> >
              >> > > And not on favourable spontaneity?
              >> > >
              >> > > regards,
              >> > > Jogeshwar
              >> > >
              >
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