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  • jogeshwarmahanta
    And not on favourable spontaneity? regards, Jogeshwar ... 25%
    Message 1 of 8 , Mar 2, 2006
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      And not on favourable spontaneity?

      regards,
      Jogeshwar



      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
      <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      >
      > aideenmck wrote:
      >
      > > Sogyal Rinpoche says than meditation is 25% focus on the breath,
      25%
      > > focus on remaining alert & wakeful & 50% focus on spaciousness. To
      > > what is he referring when he uses the term "spaciousness"?
      >
      >
      >
      > *The absence of the conceptualization and thus the question on
      > spaciousness.*
      >
    • Sandeep
      * In spontaneity, there is neither the favourable nor the unfavourable. In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity. **And there is nothing
      Message 2 of 8 , Mar 2, 2006
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        In spontaneity, there is neither the  favourable nor the unfavourable.

        In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.
         
        And  there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)




        jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
        And not on favourable spontaneity?

        regards,
        Jogeshwar






      • jogeshwarmahanta
        Dear Sandeep, Can you accomodate the following realities? The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal
        Message 3 of 8 , Mar 2, 2006
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          Dear Sandeep,

          Can you accomodate the following realities?

          The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and
          thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal forces are operating
          spontaneously in us. The purpose of meditation is to maximise the
          former and minimise the later.

          regards,
          Jogeshwar






          --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
          <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
          >
          > *
          >
          > In spontaneity, there is neither the favourable nor the
          unfavourable.
          >
          > In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.
          >
          > **And there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)
          >
          >
          > *
          >
          > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
          >
          > > And not on favourable spontaneity?
          > >
          > > regards,
          > > Jogeshwar
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
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          > >
          >
        • Sandeep
          * In the presence of a sense of purpose*, *there is no meditation. Which is not to say that activities do not happen, with which is associated a sense of
          Message 4 of 8 , Mar 2, 2006
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            In the presence of a sense of purpose
            , there is no meditation.

            Which is not to say that activities do not happen, with which is associated a sense of purpose and which is then believed to be meditation.



            The maximizing/minimizing hoopla,  viewed as profound meditation is no different to the same hoopla in the market place.


            The same round and round the mulberry bush.

            Just that the bush has been replaced.:-)



            In meditativeness, there is the absence of the sense of the entity,

            and thus the absence of the sense of a distinction, the sense of any distinction,

            and thus the absence of any craving to maximize something or minimize something else.





            In a deeper sense (so to say).........even this distinction of what is meditativeness and what is not.........really has no basis.

            Which means, that in all the sense of the attempts to maximize something or minimize something else, .....

            ....nothing is actually getting maximized or minimized.




            Thus spaciousness, meditativeness  .........is the very absence of the presence of concepts of "spaciousness", "meditativeness".....

            .....AND....

            .....the absence of the absence of the
            presence of concepts of "spaciousness", "meditativeness".








            jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
            Dear Sandeep,

            Can you accomodate the following realities?

            The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and
            thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal forces are operating
            spontaneously in us. The purpose of meditation is to maximise the
            former and minimise the later.

            regards,
            Jogeshwar






            --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
            <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
            >
            > *
            >
            > In spontaneity, there is neither the  favourable nor the
            unfavourable.
            >
            > In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.

            > **And  there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)
            >
            >
            > *
            >
            > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
            >
            > > And not on favourable spontaneity?
            > >
            > > regards,
            > > Jogeshwar
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
            -------
            > >
            >





          • jogeshwarmahanta
            Crowding or clarity? regards, Jogeshwar ... meditation. ... is no ... entity, ... any ... minimize ... what is ... something ... the ...
            Message 5 of 8 , Mar 2, 2006
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              Crowding or clarity?

              regards,
              Jogeshwar









              --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
              <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
              >
              >
              > *
              > In the presence of a sense of purpose*, *there is no meditation.
              >
              > Which is not to say that activities do not happen, with which is
              > associated a sense of purpose and which is then believed to be
              meditation.
              > *
              >
              >
              > *The maximizing/minimizing hoopla, viewed as profound meditation
              is no
              > different to the same hoopla in the market place.
              >
              >
              > The same round and round the mulberry bush.
              >
              > Just that the bush has been replaced.:-)
              >
              >
              >
              > **In meditativeness, there is the absence of the sense of the
              entity,
              >
              > and thus the absence of the sense of a distinction, the sense of
              any
              > distinction,
              >
              > and thus the absence of any craving to maximize something or
              minimize
              > something else.
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > In a deeper sense (so to say).........even this distinction of
              what is
              > meditativeness and what is not.........really has no basis.
              >
              > Which means, that in all the sense of the attempts to maximize
              something
              > or minimize something else, .....
              >
              > ....nothing is actually getting maximized or minimized.
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Thus spaciousness, meditativeness .........is the very absence of
              the
              > presence of concepts of "spaciousness", "meditativeness".....
              >
              > .....AND....
              >
              > .....the absence of the absence of the **presence of concepts of
              > "spaciousness", "meditativeness".
              >
              >
              >
              > *
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
              >
              > > Dear Sandeep,
              > >
              > > Can you accomodate the following realities?
              > >
              > > The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and
              > > thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal forces are operating
              > > spontaneously in us. The purpose of meditation is to maximise the
              > > former and minimise the later.
              > >
              > > regards,
              > > Jogeshwar
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
              > > <sandeep1960@> wrote:
              > > >
              > > > *
              > > >
              > > > In spontaneity, there is neither the favourable nor the
              > > unfavourable.
              > > >
              > > > In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.
              > > >
              > > > **And there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > *
              > > >
              > > > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
              > > >
              > > > > And not on favourable spontaneity?
              > > > >
              > > > > regards,
              > > > > Jogeshwar
              > > > >
              > > > >
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            • Bruce Morgen
              The true meditative state is the spontaneous absence of all intent. When such a state becomes the default perceptual (non-)condition associated with a nominal
              Message 6 of 8 , Mar 2, 2006
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                The true meditative state is
                the spontaneous absence of all
                intent. When such a state
                becomes the default perceptual
                (non-)condition associated with
                a nominal individual (i.e. when
                there's no service for said
                individual's thoughts to perform
                on the host organism's behalf),
                it is often referred to as
                "realization," "enlightenment,"
                or some such hoopla -- one
                supposes on account of its
                apparent rarity among our
                species.


                Sandeep wrote:

                >
                > *
                > In the presence of a sense of purpose*, *there is no meditation.
                >
                > Which is not to say that activities do not happen, with which is
                > associated a sense of purpose and which is then believed to be meditation.
                > *
                >
                >
                > *The maximizing/minimizing hoopla, viewed as profound meditation is
                > no different to the same hoopla in the market place.
                >
                >
                > The same round and round the mulberry bush.
                >
                > Just that the bush has been replaced.:-)
                >
                >
                >
                > **In meditativeness, there is the absence of the sense of the entity,
                >
                > and thus the absence of the sense of a distinction, the sense of any
                > distinction,
                >
                > and thus the absence of any craving to maximize something or minimize
                > something else.
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > In a deeper sense (so to say).........even this distinction of what is
                > meditativeness and what is not.........really has no basis.
                >
                > Which means, that in all the sense of the attempts to maximize
                > something or minimize something else, .....
                >
                > ....nothing is actually getting maximized or minimized.
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > Thus spaciousness, meditativeness .........is the very absence of the
                > presence of concepts of "spaciousness", "meditativeness".....
                >
                > .....AND....
                >
                > .....the absence of the absence of the **presence of concepts of
                > "spaciousness", "meditativeness".
                >
                >
                >
                > *
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
                >
                >> Dear Sandeep,
                >>
                >> Can you accomodate the following realities?
                >>
                >> The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and
                >> thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal forces are operating
                >> spontaneously in us. The purpose of meditation is to maximise the
                >> former and minimise the later.
                >>
                >> regards,
                >> Jogeshwar
                >>
                >>
                >>
                >>
                >>
                >>
                >> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
                >> <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
                >> >
                >> > *
                >> >
                >> > In spontaneity, there is neither the favourable nor the
                >> unfavourable.
                >> >
                >> > In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.
                >> >
                >> > **And there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)
                >> >
                >> >
                >> > *
                >> >
                >> > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
                >> >
                >> > > And not on favourable spontaneity?
                >> > >
                >> > > regards,
                >> > > Jogeshwar
                >> > >
                >
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