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  • aideenmck
    Sogyal Rinpoche says than meditation is 25% focus on the breath, 25% focus on remaining alert & wakeful & 50% focus on spaciousness. To what is he referring
    Message 1 of 8 , Mar 2, 2006
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      Sogyal Rinpoche says than meditation is 25% focus on the breath, 25%
      focus on remaining alert & wakeful & 50% focus on spaciousness. To
      what is he referring when he uses the term "spaciousness"?
    • Sandeep
      ... *The absence of the conceptualization and thus the question on spaciousness.*
      Message 2 of 8 , Mar 2, 2006
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        aideenmck wrote:
        Sogyal Rinpoche says than meditation is 25% focus on the breath, 25%
        focus on remaining alert & wakeful & 50% focus on spaciousness.  To
        what is he referring when he uses the term "spaciousness"?


        The absence of the conceptualization and thus the question on spaciousness.


      • jogeshwarmahanta
        And not on favourable spontaneity? regards, Jogeshwar ... 25%
        Message 3 of 8 , Mar 2, 2006
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          And not on favourable spontaneity?

          regards,
          Jogeshwar



          --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
          <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
          >
          >
          >
          > aideenmck wrote:
          >
          > > Sogyal Rinpoche says than meditation is 25% focus on the breath,
          25%
          > > focus on remaining alert & wakeful & 50% focus on spaciousness. To
          > > what is he referring when he uses the term "spaciousness"?
          >
          >
          >
          > *The absence of the conceptualization and thus the question on
          > spaciousness.*
          >
        • Sandeep
          * In spontaneity, there is neither the favourable nor the unfavourable. In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity. **And there is nothing
          Message 4 of 8 , Mar 2, 2006
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            In spontaneity, there is neither the  favourable nor the unfavourable.

            In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.
             
            And  there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)




            jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
            And not on favourable spontaneity?

            regards,
            Jogeshwar






          • jogeshwarmahanta
            Dear Sandeep, Can you accomodate the following realities? The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal
            Message 5 of 8 , Mar 2, 2006
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              Dear Sandeep,

              Can you accomodate the following realities?

              The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and
              thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal forces are operating
              spontaneously in us. The purpose of meditation is to maximise the
              former and minimise the later.

              regards,
              Jogeshwar






              --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
              <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
              >
              > *
              >
              > In spontaneity, there is neither the favourable nor the
              unfavourable.
              >
              > In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.
              >
              > **And there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)
              >
              >
              > *
              >
              > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
              >
              > > And not on favourable spontaneity?
              > >
              > > regards,
              > > Jogeshwar
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
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              > >
              >
            • Sandeep
              * In the presence of a sense of purpose*, *there is no meditation. Which is not to say that activities do not happen, with which is associated a sense of
              Message 6 of 8 , Mar 2, 2006
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                In the presence of a sense of purpose
                , there is no meditation.

                Which is not to say that activities do not happen, with which is associated a sense of purpose and which is then believed to be meditation.



                The maximizing/minimizing hoopla,  viewed as profound meditation is no different to the same hoopla in the market place.


                The same round and round the mulberry bush.

                Just that the bush has been replaced.:-)



                In meditativeness, there is the absence of the sense of the entity,

                and thus the absence of the sense of a distinction, the sense of any distinction,

                and thus the absence of any craving to maximize something or minimize something else.





                In a deeper sense (so to say).........even this distinction of what is meditativeness and what is not.........really has no basis.

                Which means, that in all the sense of the attempts to maximize something or minimize something else, .....

                ....nothing is actually getting maximized or minimized.




                Thus spaciousness, meditativeness  .........is the very absence of the presence of concepts of "spaciousness", "meditativeness".....

                .....AND....

                .....the absence of the absence of the
                presence of concepts of "spaciousness", "meditativeness".








                jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
                Dear Sandeep,

                Can you accomodate the following realities?

                The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and
                thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal forces are operating
                spontaneously in us. The purpose of meditation is to maximise the
                former and minimise the later.

                regards,
                Jogeshwar






                --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
                <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
                >
                > *
                >
                > In spontaneity, there is neither the  favourable nor the
                unfavourable.
                >
                > In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.

                > **And  there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)
                >
                >
                > *
                >
                > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
                >
                > > And not on favourable spontaneity?
                > >
                > > regards,
                > > Jogeshwar
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
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                > >
                >





              • jogeshwarmahanta
                Crowding or clarity? regards, Jogeshwar ... meditation. ... is no ... entity, ... any ... minimize ... what is ... something ... the ...
                Message 7 of 8 , Mar 2, 2006
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                  Crowding or clarity?

                  regards,
                  Jogeshwar









                  --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
                  <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  > *
                  > In the presence of a sense of purpose*, *there is no meditation.
                  >
                  > Which is not to say that activities do not happen, with which is
                  > associated a sense of purpose and which is then believed to be
                  meditation.
                  > *
                  >
                  >
                  > *The maximizing/minimizing hoopla, viewed as profound meditation
                  is no
                  > different to the same hoopla in the market place.
                  >
                  >
                  > The same round and round the mulberry bush.
                  >
                  > Just that the bush has been replaced.:-)
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > **In meditativeness, there is the absence of the sense of the
                  entity,
                  >
                  > and thus the absence of the sense of a distinction, the sense of
                  any
                  > distinction,
                  >
                  > and thus the absence of any craving to maximize something or
                  minimize
                  > something else.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > In a deeper sense (so to say).........even this distinction of
                  what is
                  > meditativeness and what is not.........really has no basis.
                  >
                  > Which means, that in all the sense of the attempts to maximize
                  something
                  > or minimize something else, .....
                  >
                  > ....nothing is actually getting maximized or minimized.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Thus spaciousness, meditativeness .........is the very absence of
                  the
                  > presence of concepts of "spaciousness", "meditativeness".....
                  >
                  > .....AND....
                  >
                  > .....the absence of the absence of the **presence of concepts of
                  > "spaciousness", "meditativeness".
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > *
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
                  >
                  > > Dear Sandeep,
                  > >
                  > > Can you accomodate the following realities?
                  > >
                  > > The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and
                  > > thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal forces are operating
                  > > spontaneously in us. The purpose of meditation is to maximise the
                  > > former and minimise the later.
                  > >
                  > > regards,
                  > > Jogeshwar
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
                  > > <sandeep1960@> wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > *
                  > > >
                  > > > In spontaneity, there is neither the favourable nor the
                  > > unfavourable.
                  > > >
                  > > > In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.
                  > > >
                  > > > **And there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > *
                  > > >
                  > > > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > > And not on favourable spontaneity?
                  > > > >
                  > > > > regards,
                  > > > > Jogeshwar
                  > > > >
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                • Bruce Morgen
                  The true meditative state is the spontaneous absence of all intent. When such a state becomes the default perceptual (non-)condition associated with a nominal
                  Message 8 of 8 , Mar 2, 2006
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                    The true meditative state is
                    the spontaneous absence of all
                    intent. When such a state
                    becomes the default perceptual
                    (non-)condition associated with
                    a nominal individual (i.e. when
                    there's no service for said
                    individual's thoughts to perform
                    on the host organism's behalf),
                    it is often referred to as
                    "realization," "enlightenment,"
                    or some such hoopla -- one
                    supposes on account of its
                    apparent rarity among our
                    species.


                    Sandeep wrote:

                    >
                    > *
                    > In the presence of a sense of purpose*, *there is no meditation.
                    >
                    > Which is not to say that activities do not happen, with which is
                    > associated a sense of purpose and which is then believed to be meditation.
                    > *
                    >
                    >
                    > *The maximizing/minimizing hoopla, viewed as profound meditation is
                    > no different to the same hoopla in the market place.
                    >
                    >
                    > The same round and round the mulberry bush.
                    >
                    > Just that the bush has been replaced.:-)
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > **In meditativeness, there is the absence of the sense of the entity,
                    >
                    > and thus the absence of the sense of a distinction, the sense of any
                    > distinction,
                    >
                    > and thus the absence of any craving to maximize something or minimize
                    > something else.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > In a deeper sense (so to say).........even this distinction of what is
                    > meditativeness and what is not.........really has no basis.
                    >
                    > Which means, that in all the sense of the attempts to maximize
                    > something or minimize something else, .....
                    >
                    > ....nothing is actually getting maximized or minimized.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Thus spaciousness, meditativeness .........is the very absence of the
                    > presence of concepts of "spaciousness", "meditativeness".....
                    >
                    > .....AND....
                    >
                    > .....the absence of the absence of the **presence of concepts of
                    > "spaciousness", "meditativeness".
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > *
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
                    >
                    >> Dear Sandeep,
                    >>
                    >> Can you accomodate the following realities?
                    >>
                    >> The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and
                    >> thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal forces are operating
                    >> spontaneously in us. The purpose of meditation is to maximise the
                    >> former and minimise the later.
                    >>
                    >> regards,
                    >> Jogeshwar
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
                    >> <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
                    >> >
                    >> > *
                    >> >
                    >> > In spontaneity, there is neither the favourable nor the
                    >> unfavourable.
                    >> >
                    >> > In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.
                    >> >
                    >> > **And there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)
                    >> >
                    >> >
                    >> > *
                    >> >
                    >> > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
                    >> >
                    >> > > And not on favourable spontaneity?
                    >> > >
                    >> > > regards,
                    >> > > Jogeshwar
                    >> > >
                    >
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