Loading ...
Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content.

Re: [Meditation Society of America] Satguru, defend thyself!

Expand Messages
  • jodyrrr
    ... wrote: [snip] Another gratuitous expression of inflated nonsense and another cowardly act and failure to fill the shoes of those who
    Message 1 of 20 , Dec 19, 2005
    • 0 Attachment
      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, prakki surya
      <dattapr2000@y...> wrote:

      [snip]

      Another gratuitous expression of inflated nonsense and
      another cowardly act and failure to fill the shoes of
      those who have been called satgurus.
    • prakki surya
      Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami For a soul, this world is real and is called as Maya or Vikshepa. The world is the imagination of the Lord but
      Message 2 of 20 , Dec 20, 2005
      • 0 Attachment
        Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami
         
        For a soul, this world is real and is called as Maya or Vikshepa. The world is the imagination of the Lord but it is real for all the souls.  The world is not the imagination of the soul.  The imagination of the soul is dream, which is called as Avidya or Avaranam. The Vikshepa and avaranam are made of ignorance.  But the former ignorance is apparent only and the Lord has full awareness during the ignorance.  It is called as “Saatvika Maya” which means the ignorance illuminated with knowledge. It is just like a daydream of a dreamer who is in fully awakened state.  The Avaranam has no knowledge and is deep ignorance only.  It is like a night dream.  The Lord is the daydreamer and soul is night dreamer.  The Lord controls the dream and soul is controlled by dream.  The soul can destroy its avidya but can never destroy the Maya.  Avidya is the imagination or feeling of the soul and can disappear by the knowledge. But Maya is the materialised world for the soul and can never disappear. The soul is pure awareness and is called as atman or the causal body. The gross body is made of five elements. Both these bodies are part of Maya and can never be destroyed by the soul.  The pure awareness is eternal.  The five elements of the gross body are also eternal.  The subtle body, which is made of qualities or feelings or imaginations of the soul, can be destroyed by the soul through knowledge.  The subtle body is made of ignorance of the soul and can be destroyed by the scholar. 
         
        After death this subtle body only goes to the other worlds. For a liberated soul, since the subtle body is destroyed, he does not go to the other worlds. The causal body and the gross body merge in the cosmos here it self as said by Veda (Ihaiva Pranah….).  In the case of human incarnation also, same thing happens but the fourth item, the Lord, is left over. The advaita Philosophers should note this difference between Maya and Avidya. Sankara clearly told that the Avaranam disappears by knowledge but not Vikshepa.

        The highest stage is not to aspire anything from the Lord. The Lord does everything according to His judgement and your deeds.  The desire cannot bring any reaction in the Lord.  Some devotees cry with very loud voice and do several actions for help from the Lord.  The cry also will not bring any trace of reaction in the Lord.  Draupadi cried for help from the Lord. The Lord did not react for the cry.  Draupadi tore her sari to apply bandage to the finger of the Lord when it was cut.  It was this deed that made the Lord to help her. The Lord would have helped her even without her cry.  The Lord was watching the situation and was ready for the correct moment to act.  The merit point in the cry of Draupadi was that she believed Lord Krishna as omnipresent and did not confine the Lord to His limited body.  Therefore, she cried in the court itself even though the Lord was in far place. Devotion without any aspiration is the best.  The next middle level devotion is to believe the Lord as omnipresent and pray at any place.  The lower level of devotion is to try to inform the human incarnation personally.  This is an insult to the Lord because you do not believe the Lord in human form as omnipresent atleast. 
         
        If you think that the Lord is not omnipresent how can He help you as omnipotent?  Above all this, the main point is whether the devotee requests or not, the protection from the Lord comes only based on the selfless service offered by him to the Lord without aspiring any fruit in return.  When such service is absent, the Lord cannot do any help merely based on their requests or prayers and crying. Therefore, there is no need of prayer or request or crying to the Lord if the selfless service is absent. There is also no need of prayer or request or crying to the Lord if the selfless service is present. Therefore, a devotee should always concentrate on the selfless service to the Lord without aspiring any fruit in return and the prayer should be only in the praise of the Lord and not for asking any boon or protection because even if you ask there is no trace of any use.
         
          posted by: His servant
          at the lotus feet of shri datta swami
          www.universal-spirituality.org
         

        jodyrrr <jodyrrr@...> wrote:
        --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, prakki surya <dattapr2000@y...> wrote:

        Another gratuitous expression of inflated nonsense and
        another cowardly act and failure to fill the shoes of
        those who have been called satgurus.

        __________________________________________________
        Do You Yahoo!?
        Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
        http://mail.yahoo.com

      • jodyrrr
        ... wrote: More gratuitous nonsense that s the product of nothing more than an incredibly puffed-up ego.
        Message 3 of 20 , Dec 20, 2005
        • 0 Attachment
          --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, prakki surya
          <dattapr2000@y...> wrote:

          More gratuitous nonsense that's the product of
          nothing more than an incredibly puffed-up ego.
        Your message has been successfully submitted and would be delivered to recipients shortly.