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  • jasonjamesmorgan
    Hello, I would give it a 10. I Salute you. Namaste Om Namah Shivaya Jason James Morgan
    Message 1 of 9 , Apr 6, 2005
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      Hello,

      I would give it a 10.

      I Salute you.

      Namaste
      Om Namah Shivaya
      Jason James Morgan



      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
      <editor@j...> wrote:
      >
      > Warning: beware of rolling
      > logs!
      >
      > OK, I sort of liked it -- it's a
      > bit on the treacly side, but
      > given the provided context it's
      > pretty danged effective and does
      > have its target reader (which
      > wouldn't have been yours truly
      > back in the day, fwiw) pretty
      > much in the crosshairs. I give
      > it a solid 8.5 and found I could
      > dance to it. Nicely done, sir!
      > 8-)
      >
      >
      > Jeff Belyea wrote:
      >
      > >A Meditation on God,
      > >The Father.
      > >
      > >Fasten your seat belts
      > >for just a few minutes.
      > >I know that this post's
      > >title will send those
      > >who have been derailed
      > >by the twisted train wreck
      > >teachings of some mainline
      > >meeting houses of religion,
      > >into a full-scale tizzy.
      > >
      > >And for those who disdain
      > >what they refer to as
      > >"so-called spirituality",
      > >and those who cannot abide
      > >the suggestion that there
      > >exists some Power, Self,
      > >Presence, Energy, Source,
      > >Matrix, God beyond their
      > >individual prideful self...
      > >
      > >and those who declare
      > >unequivocally that our
      > >only route to peace of
      > >mind is to accept what is,
      > >as all there is...
      > >
      > >and finally, for those
      > >who subscribe to the very
      > >contemporary and tragically
      > >hip view that would have us
      > >all be just friends - no
      > >more Father/Son, Mother/Daughter,
      > >Guru/Chela or Student/Teacher
      > >(just call Mom or Dad by their
      > >surname)...
      > >
      > >oh, and let's not forget
      > >the Advaiterspeakers with
      > >their "We're all already
      > >enlightened, so just get
      > >on with your life," spoutings
      > >of flatline water-spider
      > >philosophy...
      > >
      > >to you all (my newly acquired
      > >southern colloguialism), bye-bye.
      > >
      > >You've are either not reading
      > >anymore, or you have your
      > >smugness meter tuned up and
      > >ready to redline.
      > >
      > >But, for those few who may
      > >be still reading, here's a
      > >model, a metaphor if you
      > >will, in which you may find
      > >peace of mind and a fullness
      > >of joy - in this lifetime.
      > >
      > >Let's go back briefly to
      > >the difficulty that most, if
      > >not all adults, have that
      > >there really is some Power
      > >beyond the individual ego
      > >with which they have become
      > >identified. Now, if you are
      > >one who has peace of mind
      > >with this, fine. Just don't
      > >block The Way, The Journey
      > >of others who may be troubled
      > >pilgrims seeking to fill what
      > >for them is a painful void
      > >in their lives - The Seeker.
      > >This is a hurdle that must
      > >be cleared, in the upcoming
      > >model.
      > >
      > >And, one more thing; while
      > >there is wisdom in the final
      > >analysis, in accepting what
      > >is, for The Seeker, there
      > >are requisite intermediary
      > >steps and efforts, if this
      > >acceptance is to be anything
      > >more than a flat resignation
      > >to a life of quiet desperation.
      > >
      > >And now for the main feature:
      > >
      > >In the very early stage of life,
      > >we are taught to be individualistic
      > >while at the same time, we are
      > >coerced into becoming normal and
      > >rational, and one of the good
      > >boys or good girls.
      > >
      > >Through this socialization,
      > >we lose our true identity
      > >and connection to, our existence
      > >within, God. We become critical,
      > >analyzing, thinking machines,
      > >no longer part of a larger
      > >harmony of Loving Embrace.
      > >
      > >By age 5,6, 7, or 8, we have
      > >occasions when we lay awake
      > >at night feeling lost, alone,
      > >separated, stunned and afraid.
      > >But we soon push these feelings
      > >into our subconscious and
      > >get on with life.
      > >
      > >Later, when we hit adulthood
      > >and those old feelings bubble
      > >up, we are troubled by fears
      > >and doubts. And if they persist,
      > >we seek help - a shrink, drink,
      > >drugs, over-indulgence, church,
      > >or a loop-de-loop support group,
      > >or sometimes a loopy Guru.
      > >
      > >If these don't work, several
      > >roads open up for us. Among
      > >them: commit suicide, be committed
      > >and institutionalized, or glance
      > >heavenward one more time.
      > >
      > >Now, if by Grace one chooses
      > >the third option, that one may
      > >find a road map to a place
      > >beyond recovery, beyond anything
      > >they had previously thought
      > >or imagined, and beyond what
      > >tradition help teaches - they
      > >discover a pearl of great price,
      > >peace of mind, an overwhelming
      > >joy, and new understanding,
      > >beyond words.
      > >
      > >The road map to the discovery
      > >of this treasure is left by
      > >those who walked this road
      > >before, and using this model,
      > >rediscovered who they were;
      > >liberated from social coercion
      > >and emotional manipulation,
      > >Free, Realized and Awakened
      > >to the reality that we are
      > >a spark of God's own fire -
      > >Divine in our own right.
      > >They found the Fulfiller
      > >of The Void, and have a
      > >choiceless obligation to
      > >share the good news.
      > >
      > >The map is real, and the
      > >peace of mind, joy and
      > >understanding can be found
      > >once you are convinced
      > >of the possibility of its
      > >existence, and know where
      > >to look. There are large
      > >bodies of written and
      > >recorded works from the
      > >ancient of days to today's
      > >teachings from contemporary
      > >Awakened Ones, testifying
      > >to this Truth. And their
      > >words will come alive with
      > >clarity and resonance in
      > >your own heart, once you
      > >read the map and make the
      > >discovery on your own.
      > >
      > >The Authentic Guru will tell you:
      > >
      > >The map is within you. The
      > >treasure is on the throneroom
      > >of your heart. Meditation is
      > >the matrix in which it can
      > >be read and understood - without
      > >words.
      > >
      > >It only reveals its secret
      > >in inner silence (because it
      > >is beyond what we can think
      > >or imagine), in humility (because
      > >there are places that the
      > >intellect cannot take us),
      > >and in utter surrender to
      > >the possibility that beyond
      > >the babble, there really may
      > >be a place of profound peace
      > >of mind - in the very presence
      > >and residence of God.
      > >
      > >Go within to a place of
      > >silent, humble stillness.
      > >It may seem dark for a time,
      > >but with practice, and for
      > >most with some guidance,
      > >a miracle happens, a light
      > >comes on:
      > >
      > >God, The Father (also within
      > >you - or more precisely, you
      > >within God) lovingly holds
      > >The Light so you can read
      > >the map. It takes you back
      > >home to your True Home.
      > >
      > >PJ
      > >
      > >
      > >
    • Jeff Belyea
      Thank you, most generous One. I think I saw you on American Bandstand back in the day.
      Message 2 of 9 , Apr 7, 2005
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        Thank you, most generous One.
        I think I saw you on American
        Bandstand back in the day.

        --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
        <editor@j...> wrote:
        >
        > Warning: beware of rolling
        > logs!
        >
        > OK, I sort of liked it -- it's a
        > bit on the treacly side, but
        > given the provided context it's
        > pretty danged effective and does
        > have its target reader (which
        > wouldn't have been yours truly
        > back in the day, fwiw) pretty
        > much in the crosshairs. I give
        > it a solid 8.5 and found I could
        > dance to it. Nicely done, sir!
        > 8-)
        >
        >
        > Jeff Belyea wrote:
        >
        > >A Meditation on God,
        > >The Father.
        > >
        > >Fasten your seat belts
        > >for just a few minutes.
        > >I know that this post's
        > >title will send those
        > >who have been derailed
        > >by the twisted train wreck
        > >teachings of some mainline
        > >meeting houses of religion,
        > >into a full-scale tizzy.
        > >
        > >And for those who disdain
        > >what they refer to as
        > >"so-called spirituality",
        > >and those who cannot abide
        > >the suggestion that there
        > >exists some Power, Self,
        > >Presence, Energy, Source,
        > >Matrix, God beyond their
        > >individual prideful self...
        > >
        > >and those who declare
        > >unequivocally that our
        > >only route to peace of
        > >mind is to accept what is,
        > >as all there is...
        > >
        > >and finally, for those
        > >who subscribe to the very
        > >contemporary and tragically
        > >hip view that would have us
        > >all be just friends - no
        > >more Father/Son, Mother/Daughter,
        > >Guru/Chela or Student/Teacher
        > >(just call Mom or Dad by their
        > >surname)...
        > >
        > >oh, and let's not forget
        > >the Advaiterspeakers with
        > >their "We're all already
        > >enlightened, so just get
        > >on with your life," spoutings
        > >of flatline water-spider
        > >philosophy...
        > >
        > >to you all (my newly acquired
        > >southern colloguialism), bye-bye.
        > >
        > >You've are either not reading
        > >anymore, or you have your
        > >smugness meter tuned up and
        > >ready to redline.
        > >
        > >But, for those few who may
        > >be still reading, here's a
        > >model, a metaphor if you
        > >will, in which you may find
        > >peace of mind and a fullness
        > >of joy - in this lifetime.
        > >
        > >Let's go back briefly to
        > >the difficulty that most, if
        > >not all adults, have that
        > >there really is some Power
        > >beyond the individual ego
        > >with which they have become
        > >identified. Now, if you are
        > >one who has peace of mind
        > >with this, fine. Just don't
        > >block The Way, The Journey
        > >of others who may be troubled
        > >pilgrims seeking to fill what
        > >for them is a painful void
        > >in their lives - The Seeker.
        > >This is a hurdle that must
        > >be cleared, in the upcoming
        > >model.
        > >
        > >And, one more thing; while
        > >there is wisdom in the final
        > >analysis, in accepting what
        > >is, for The Seeker, there
        > >are requisite intermediary
        > >steps and efforts, if this
        > >acceptance is to be anything
        > >more than a flat resignation
        > >to a life of quiet desperation.
        > >
        > >And now for the main feature:
        > >
        > >In the very early stage of life,
        > >we are taught to be individualistic
        > >while at the same time, we are
        > >coerced into becoming normal and
        > >rational, and one of the good
        > >boys or good girls.
        > >
        > >Through this socialization,
        > >we lose our true identity
        > >and connection to, our existence
        > >within, God. We become critical,
        > >analyzing, thinking machines,
        > >no longer part of a larger
        > >harmony of Loving Embrace.
        > >
        > >By age 5,6, 7, or 8, we have
        > >occasions when we lay awake
        > >at night feeling lost, alone,
        > >separated, stunned and afraid.
        > >But we soon push these feelings
        > >into our subconscious and
        > >get on with life.
        > >
        > >Later, when we hit adulthood
        > >and those old feelings bubble
        > >up, we are troubled by fears
        > >and doubts. And if they persist,
        > >we seek help - a shrink, drink,
        > >drugs, over-indulgence, church,
        > >or a loop-de-loop support group,
        > >or sometimes a loopy Guru.
        > >
        > >If these don't work, several
        > >roads open up for us. Among
        > >them: commit suicide, be committed
        > >and institutionalized, or glance
        > >heavenward one more time.
        > >
        > >Now, if by Grace one chooses
        > >the third option, that one may
        > >find a road map to a place
        > >beyond recovery, beyond anything
        > >they had previously thought
        > >or imagined, and beyond what
        > >tradition help teaches - they
        > >discover a pearl of great price,
        > >peace of mind, an overwhelming
        > >joy, and new understanding,
        > >beyond words.
        > >
        > >The road map to the discovery
        > >of this treasure is left by
        > >those who walked this road
        > >before, and using this model,
        > >rediscovered who they were;
        > >liberated from social coercion
        > >and emotional manipulation,
        > >Free, Realized and Awakened
        > >to the reality that we are
        > >a spark of God's own fire -
        > >Divine in our own right.
        > >They found the Fulfiller
        > >of The Void, and have a
        > >choiceless obligation to
        > >share the good news.
        > >
        > >The map is real, and the
        > >peace of mind, joy and
        > >understanding can be found
        > >once you are convinced
        > >of the possibility of its
        > >existence, and know where
        > >to look. There are large
        > >bodies of written and
        > >recorded works from the
        > >ancient of days to today's
        > >teachings from contemporary
        > >Awakened Ones, testifying
        > >to this Truth. And their
        > >words will come alive with
        > >clarity and resonance in
        > >your own heart, once you
        > >read the map and make the
        > >discovery on your own.
        > >
        > >The Authentic Guru will tell you:
        > >
        > >The map is within you. The
        > >treasure is on the throneroom
        > >of your heart. Meditation is
        > >the matrix in which it can
        > >be read and understood - without
        > >words.
        > >
        > >It only reveals its secret
        > >in inner silence (because it
        > >is beyond what we can think
        > >or imagine), in humility (because
        > >there are places that the
        > >intellect cannot take us),
        > >and in utter surrender to
        > >the possibility that beyond
        > >the babble, there really may
        > >be a place of profound peace
        > >of mind - in the very presence
        > >and residence of God.
        > >
        > >Go within to a place of
        > >silent, humble stillness.
        > >It may seem dark for a time,
        > >but with practice, and for
        > >most with some guidance,
        > >a miracle happens, a light
        > >comes on:
        > >
        > >God, The Father (also within
        > >you - or more precisely, you
        > >within God) lovingly holds
        > >The Light so you can read
        > >the map. It takes you back
        > >home to your True Home.
        > >
        > >PJ
        > >
        > >
        > >
      • Jeff Belyea
        Namaste
        Message 3 of 9 , Apr 7, 2005
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          Namaste

          --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, jasonjamesmorgan
          <no_reply@y...> wrote:
          >
          > Hello,
          >
          > I would give it a 10.
          >
          > I Salute you.
          >
          > Namaste
          > Om Namah Shivaya
          > Jason James Morgan
          >
          >
          >
          > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
          > <editor@j...> wrote:
          > >
          > > Warning: beware of rolling
          > > logs!
          > >
          > > OK, I sort of liked it -- it's a
          > > bit on the treacly side, but
          > > given the provided context it's
          > > pretty danged effective and does
          > > have its target reader (which
          > > wouldn't have been yours truly
          > > back in the day, fwiw) pretty
          > > much in the crosshairs. I give
          > > it a solid 8.5 and found I could
          > > dance to it. Nicely done, sir!
          > > 8-)
          > >
          > >
          > > Jeff Belyea wrote:
          > >
          > > >A Meditation on God,
          > > >The Father.
          > > >
          > > >Fasten your seat belts
          > > >for just a few minutes.
          > > >I know that this post's
          > > >title will send those
          > > >who have been derailed
          > > >by the twisted train wreck
          > > >teachings of some mainline
          > > >meeting houses of religion,
          > > >into a full-scale tizzy.
          > > >
          > > >And for those who disdain
          > > >what they refer to as
          > > >"so-called spirituality",
          > > >and those who cannot abide
          > > >the suggestion that there
          > > >exists some Power, Self,
          > > >Presence, Energy, Source,
          > > >Matrix, God beyond their
          > > >individual prideful self...
          > > >
          > > >and those who declare
          > > >unequivocally that our
          > > >only route to peace of
          > > >mind is to accept what is,
          > > >as all there is...
          > > >
          > > >and finally, for those
          > > >who subscribe to the very
          > > >contemporary and tragically
          > > >hip view that would have us
          > > >all be just friends - no
          > > >more Father/Son, Mother/Daughter,
          > > >Guru/Chela or Student/Teacher
          > > >(just call Mom or Dad by their
          > > >surname)...
          > > >
          > > >oh, and let's not forget
          > > >the Advaiterspeakers with
          > > >their "We're all already
          > > >enlightened, so just get
          > > >on with your life," spoutings
          > > >of flatline water-spider
          > > >philosophy...
          > > >
          > > >to you all (my newly acquired
          > > >southern colloguialism), bye-bye.
          > > >
          > > >You've are either not reading
          > > >anymore, or you have your
          > > >smugness meter tuned up and
          > > >ready to redline.
          > > >
          > > >But, for those few who may
          > > >be still reading, here's a
          > > >model, a metaphor if you
          > > >will, in which you may find
          > > >peace of mind and a fullness
          > > >of joy - in this lifetime.
          > > >
          > > >Let's go back briefly to
          > > >the difficulty that most, if
          > > >not all adults, have that
          > > >there really is some Power
          > > >beyond the individual ego
          > > >with which they have become
          > > >identified. Now, if you are
          > > >one who has peace of mind
          > > >with this, fine. Just don't
          > > >block The Way, The Journey
          > > >of others who may be troubled
          > > >pilgrims seeking to fill what
          > > >for them is a painful void
          > > >in their lives - The Seeker.
          > > >This is a hurdle that must
          > > >be cleared, in the upcoming
          > > >model.
          > > >
          > > >And, one more thing; while
          > > >there is wisdom in the final
          > > >analysis, in accepting what
          > > >is, for The Seeker, there
          > > >are requisite intermediary
          > > >steps and efforts, if this
          > > >acceptance is to be anything
          > > >more than a flat resignation
          > > >to a life of quiet desperation.
          > > >
          > > >And now for the main feature:
          > > >
          > > >In the very early stage of life,
          > > >we are taught to be individualistic
          > > >while at the same time, we are
          > > >coerced into becoming normal and
          > > >rational, and one of the good
          > > >boys or good girls.
          > > >
          > > >Through this socialization,
          > > >we lose our true identity
          > > >and connection to, our existence
          > > >within, God. We become critical,
          > > >analyzing, thinking machines,
          > > >no longer part of a larger
          > > >harmony of Loving Embrace.
          > > >
          > > >By age 5,6, 7, or 8, we have
          > > >occasions when we lay awake
          > > >at night feeling lost, alone,
          > > >separated, stunned and afraid.
          > > >But we soon push these feelings
          > > >into our subconscious and
          > > >get on with life.
          > > >
          > > >Later, when we hit adulthood
          > > >and those old feelings bubble
          > > >up, we are troubled by fears
          > > >and doubts. And if they persist,
          > > >we seek help - a shrink, drink,
          > > >drugs, over-indulgence, church,
          > > >or a loop-de-loop support group,
          > > >or sometimes a loopy Guru.
          > > >
          > > >If these don't work, several
          > > >roads open up for us. Among
          > > >them: commit suicide, be committed
          > > >and institutionalized, or glance
          > > >heavenward one more time.
          > > >
          > > >Now, if by Grace one chooses
          > > >the third option, that one may
          > > >find a road map to a place
          > > >beyond recovery, beyond anything
          > > >they had previously thought
          > > >or imagined, and beyond what
          > > >tradition help teaches - they
          > > >discover a pearl of great price,
          > > >peace of mind, an overwhelming
          > > >joy, and new understanding,
          > > >beyond words.
          > > >
          > > >The road map to the discovery
          > > >of this treasure is left by
          > > >those who walked this road
          > > >before, and using this model,
          > > >rediscovered who they were;
          > > >liberated from social coercion
          > > >and emotional manipulation,
          > > >Free, Realized and Awakened
          > > >to the reality that we are
          > > >a spark of God's own fire -
          > > >Divine in our own right.
          > > >They found the Fulfiller
          > > >of The Void, and have a
          > > >choiceless obligation to
          > > >share the good news.
          > > >
          > > >The map is real, and the
          > > >peace of mind, joy and
          > > >understanding can be found
          > > >once you are convinced
          > > >of the possibility of its
          > > >existence, and know where
          > > >to look. There are large
          > > >bodies of written and
          > > >recorded works from the
          > > >ancient of days to today's
          > > >teachings from contemporary
          > > >Awakened Ones, testifying
          > > >to this Truth. And their
          > > >words will come alive with
          > > >clarity and resonance in
          > > >your own heart, once you
          > > >read the map and make the
          > > >discovery on your own.
          > > >
          > > >The Authentic Guru will tell you:
          > > >
          > > >The map is within you. The
          > > >treasure is on the throneroom
          > > >of your heart. Meditation is
          > > >the matrix in which it can
          > > >be read and understood - without
          > > >words.
          > > >
          > > >It only reveals its secret
          > > >in inner silence (because it
          > > >is beyond what we can think
          > > >or imagine), in humility (because
          > > >there are places that the
          > > >intellect cannot take us),
          > > >and in utter surrender to
          > > >the possibility that beyond
          > > >the babble, there really may
          > > >be a place of profound peace
          > > >of mind - in the very presence
          > > >and residence of God.
          > > >
          > > >Go within to a place of
          > > >silent, humble stillness.
          > > >It may seem dark for a time,
          > > >but with practice, and for
          > > >most with some guidance,
          > > >a miracle happens, a light
          > > >comes on:
          > > >
          > > >God, The Father (also within
          > > >you - or more precisely, you
          > > >within God) lovingly holds
          > > >The Light so you can read
          > > >the map. It takes you back
          > > >home to your True Home.
          > > >
          > > >PJ
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
        • Michael Read
          ... Sorry Jeffji, i gotta give this one a big fat zero. way too many concepts... it is typical of the mind candy that poses as spirituality, religion and
          Message 4 of 9 , Apr 9, 2005
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            --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
            <jeff@m...> wrote:
            >
            > A Meditation on God,
            > The Father.

            Sorry Jeffji, i gotta give this one a big fat zero.

            way too many concepts...

            it is typical of the "mind candy"
            that poses as spirituality,
            religion and enlightenment

            as Shri Bobji's Ramdas posts point out
            the seeker is searching for self
            but the seeker is already self

            be well,

            michael
          • devianandi
            ... i think its more correct to say that the seeker who is searching for the Self or God or enlightenment (at least the more advanced seeker) is actually
            Message 5 of 9 , Apr 9, 2005
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              --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Read"
              <mareadba@y...> wrote:
              >
              > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
              > <jeff@m...> wrote:
              > >
              > > A Meditation on God,
              > > The Father.
              >
              > Sorry Jeffji, i gotta give this one a big fat zero.
              >
              > way too many concepts...
              >
              > it is typical of the "mind candy"
              > that poses as spirituality,
              > religion and enlightenment
              >
              > as Shri Bobji's Ramdas posts point out
              > the seeker is searching for self
              > but the seeker is already self
              >
              > be well,
              >
              > michael


              i think its more correct to say that the seeker who is searching for
              the Self or God or enlightenment (at least the more advanced seeker)
              is actually reaching for the experience of nirvikalpa samadi..

              some people have inklings of the Self as an unchanging background in
              its life compared to the every changing body/mind complex...actually
              i think most children have this inkling but some lose it and others
              take it further...

              then there are some people can who can feel the presence of the
              unchanging Self somethimes as something thats other then the
              body/mind complex, mystics call it the *presense of God*

              some people realize that there is a *witness* consciousness

              some people can actually see through the third eye to that Self.

              but to leave the body/mind complex, to go throught the third eye and
              leave creation behind into the void/ nirguna brahman, that is what
              the seeker is ultimatley going to arrive at and realize that thats
              always been the case...the Self has been is and always will be in
              nirvikalpa samadi and the whole bodys/mind complex now is awake to
              that.....
            • Jeff Belyea
              Thanks, Michael - Would the more authentic spirituality, in your opinion, be more like, eat your spinach ? The seeker is seeking happiness. Some us choose to
              Message 6 of 9 , Apr 14, 2005
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                Thanks, Michael -

                Would the more authentic
                spirituality, in your opinion,
                be more like, "eat your spinach"?

                The seeker is seeking happiness.
                Some us choose to speak of that
                path in sweet language - and we
                don't worry about getting
                chocolate in our beards or
                fear of a big, fat zero
                rating.

                The concepts are merely
                disposable containers
                for the convenience of
                communication. They are not
                expression of that ineffable
                experience of sudden and
                startling wisdom known by
                some as Awakening or
                Enlightenment.

                Ramakrishna (a hot topic
                here, recently) was, by some
                reports, a Christian, a Hindu
                and a Buddhist. He saw no
                differences - only parallels.

                And, if the seeker of self
                already knew that he or she
                was the self (Self)he wouldn't
                be seeking.

                But (before enlightenment)
                we think, therefore,
                we seek.

                A little vinegar with
                that spinach?

                Best, as always, Michael.

                Jeff


                > <jeff@m...> wrote:
                > >
                > > A Meditation on God,
                > > The Father.
                >
                > Sorry Jeffji, i gotta give this one a big fat zero.
                >
                > way too many concepts...
                >
                > it is typical of the "mind candy"
                > that poses as spirituality,
                > religion and enlightenment
                >
                > as Shri Bobji's Ramdas posts point out
                > the seeker is searching for self
                > but the seeker is already self
                >
                > be well,
                >
                > michael
              • Michael Read
                LOL! Yes indeed, eat the spinach! Vinegar is the irony that the spinach was there all the time... with love, michael
                Message 7 of 9 , Apr 15, 2005
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                  LOL!

                  Yes indeed, eat the spinach!

                  Vinegar is the irony that the spinach was there all the time...

                  with love,

                  michael


                  --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
                  <jeff@m...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Thanks, Michael -
                  >
                  > Would the more authentic
                  > spirituality, in your opinion,
                  > be more like, "eat your spinach"?
                  >
                  > The seeker is seeking happiness.
                  > Some us choose to speak of that
                  > path in sweet language - and we
                  > don't worry about getting
                  > chocolate in our beards or
                  > fear of a big, fat zero
                  > rating.
                  >
                  > The concepts are merely
                  > disposable containers
                  > for the convenience of
                  > communication. They are not
                  > expression of that ineffable
                  > experience of sudden and
                  > startling wisdom known by
                  > some as Awakening or
                  > Enlightenment.
                  >
                  > Ramakrishna (a hot topic
                  > here, recently) was, by some
                  > reports, a Christian, a Hindu
                  > and a Buddhist. He saw no
                  > differences - only parallels.
                  >
                  > And, if the seeker of self
                  > already knew that he or she
                  > was the self (Self)he wouldn't
                  > be seeking.
                  >
                  > But (before enlightenment)
                  > we think, therefore,
                  > we seek.
                  >
                  > A little vinegar with
                  > that spinach?
                  >
                  > Best, as always, Michael.
                  >
                  > Jeff
                  >
                  >
                  > > <jeff@m...> wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > A Meditation on God,
                  > > > The Father.
                  > >
                  > > Sorry Jeffji, i gotta give this one a big fat zero.
                  > >
                  > > way too many concepts...
                  > >
                  > > it is typical of the "mind candy"
                  > > that poses as spirituality,
                  > > religion and enlightenment
                  > >
                  > > as Shri Bobji's Ramdas posts point out
                  > > the seeker is searching for self
                  > > but the seeker is already self
                  > >
                  > > be well,
                  > >
                  > > michael
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