Re: Qualified non-dualism or non-dualism as per Papa Ramdas
Beautiful qoutes. I always loved how Sri Ramakrishna explained
things. So crafty, so honest.
I believe Sri Ramakrishna and Sri Chatainya proved that the end
results of the bhakti sadhana is non-dual realization.
I believe Sri Adi Sankara and Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi proved
that the end result of the gnana sadhana is non-dual realization.
A muslim, a christian, a jew, and indian, and an american indian go
to the same well, collect the same water, but call the water and the
bucket that collects it by different names.
I salute you
Om Namah Shivaya
Jason James Morgan
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> Some insight by Papa Ramdas.........
> Once, to illustrate the futility of empty, theoretical advaitic
> knowledge, Papa narrated the following story. He was staying in a
> small mandir in Jhansi when a man approached him and asked, "Who
> "I am Ramdas," he replied simply.
> "No, you speak a lie there," returned his visitor. "You are Ram
> Himself. When you declare you are Ramdas, you do not know what you
> say. God is everything and in everything. He is in you and so you
> He. Confess it right away.hypocrisy.
> "True, dear friend," Ramdas replied, "God is everything. But at the
> same time, it must be noted God is one, and when He is in you and
> everywhere around you, may I humbly ask to whom you are putting this
> After a little reflection, the man could only answer, "Well, I have
> put the question to myself ".
> Papa always stressed the necessity of absolute honesty and sincerity
> as essential in the great Quest. Better an honest, dualistic bhakti
> than a hypocritical advaita. Whereas bhakti, however dualistic, will
> lead ultimately to jnana as jnana mata, the mother of jnana, advaita
> practised only with the head leads merely to confusion and
> Another incident illustrates this point well. When Papa was staying
> Mount Abu he was taken to meet a "great saint", SwamiKaivalyananda, a
> young sannyasin living in a cave, his body completely shaved, butyou
> surrounded by a number of books.
> Papa approached him and prostrated.
> With a look of surprise, the sannyasin asked, "To whom are you
> offering this salutation?"
> "To Ram," Papa replied.
> "Who are you?"
> "Ramdas. "
> "Ramdas. Ramdas, funny, isn't it? There is only one Truth. Why do
> assume this false duality?"divine
> "It is Ram Himself, being One, who has chosen to be many. "
> "Wrong," retorted the advaitin. "He is always One; many is false,
> "Truth has become God and His devotee for the sake of lila, the
> play," Papa responded.to
> "Why play?"
> "For love and bliss; so when Ramdas prostrates before you, it is
> yourself who do it in the form of Ramdas," Papa went on.
> "Bosh!" cut in the sannyasin. "There is only one, never two." "Then
> whom are you talking, dear Swamiji," asked Papa, pulling out hisHe
> The sannyasin reflected a while and had to reply, "To myself".
> "Exactly. You assume there are two although in the light of absolute
> Truth there is only one."
> "No, no--no realised person believes in duality," maintained the
> advaitin, getting jumpy. "Here, take this book and read it. You will
> understand things more clearly, I assure you. It is written by me."
> pressed Papa to accept it. Noticing the author's name on the cover,M.A."!
> Papa noted that he referred to himself as "Swami Kaivalyananda,