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  • Bruce Morgen
    ... OK, label noted. ... No, he went from his parents home directly to renunciation afaik. ... If Bhagavan is insulted, perhaps he ll somehow let me know --
    Message 1 of 16 , Apr 3, 2005
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      jasonjamesmorgan wrote:

      >Hello,
      >
      >Thanks for playing with me.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >>Your question remains moot
      >>-- the closing elaboration
      >>is just plain silly. There
      >>are organisms and there is
      >>awareness, which is only
      >>nominally owned by
      >>organisms.
      >>
      >>
      >
      >This is qualified non-dualsim.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      OK, label noted.

      >
      >
      >
      >>Yes, and also of course a
      >>sage. His "sheltered" status
      >>facilitated both -- those of
      >>us with householder
      >>responsibilities don't have
      >>the option of acting out
      >>non-duality so overtly.
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
      >Was not Ramana a housholder before he left.
      >
      No, he went from his parents'
      home directly to renunciation
      afaik.

      >This seems a copout, and
      >an insult to ramanas greatness.
      >
      If Bhagavan is insulted,
      perhaps he'll somehow let me
      know -- I'll gladly apologize.
      :-P

      >Of course indian society does
      >support the renuciates.
      >
      Indeed it does.

      >But if you were so inclined, you could
      >renounce the world here in the west as well. Homeless shelters would
      >feed you and house you, etc.
      >
      >
      Free dental care might be a
      nice bonus!

      >This is my point, westerners need to realize the difference between
      >qualified non-dualsim and non-dualism.
      >
      >
      If you say so -- I don't see
      any such need, especially since
      it would be such a remarkable
      event for a Ramana-like course
      of life to occur here in the
      west. The cultural acceptance
      of the sadhu as a respectable,
      even revered member of society
      is what facilitated (along with
      his personal determination, of
      course) the iconic Ramana so
      many of use admire today. I
      would maintain that such would
      not be possible in the west.
      The same goes for the Buddha,
      who also made his livelihood
      with a beggar's bowl -- for
      such a life to occur requires
      tolerance, approval, and support
      from those who must earn their
      daily bread. That is not to be
      had in the cities of America and
      Europe today.

      >The difference between tasting sugar(qualified non-dualism) and being
      >sugar(non-dual)
      >
      >non-dualism is ramana.
      >qualified non-dualism is ramakrishna
      >A hipocrit who says he is sugar, but really tastes sugar is Papaji.
      >
      >
      We all taste, even Ramana
      did. Imo he was skillfully
      playing a chosen role as an
      extended teaching device.

      >There is nothing wrong with tasting the sugar.
      >
      There is no choice about it
      -- to be incarnated is to
      taste. Period.

      >Unless they delude
      >themselves with papaji teachings and only talk the talk, and dont
      >walk the walk.
      >
      >
      It seems we are in agreement
      concerning Papaji and his
      several western disciples
      with their untenable reliance
      on Adviataspeak[tm]. :-)

      >Much love
      >Namaste
      >Om Namah Shivaya
      >Jason James Morgan
      >
      >
      ...and to you, sir!
    • jasonjamesmorgan
      Hello, Honestly, I dont feel that being recognized for your renuciation has anything to do with it. What of the dudes that go into the forest, and are never
      Message 2 of 16 , Apr 3, 2005
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        Hello,

        Honestly, I dont feel that being recognized for your renuciation has
        anything to do with it. What of the dudes that go into the forest,
        and are never helped. I have heard of one renuciate, who has rich
        family in toronto, but spends his time on the streets of calgary. He
        seemed to me, to be just like any other renuciate you might meet in
        india.

        Although I have found that eating and sleeping with homeless addicts
        is not conducive to sadhana, I do not think it would make it
        impossible. Who knows how many people renounce in north america.
        For as you say, who would be here to revere them. They would go
        unnoticed.

        I know I was not steadfast eneogh to be a renunciate here in
        calgary. But that may be because of my former relation to the
        underground.

        Anyways, much love to you, and thank you for your time.
        I salute you.

        Namaste
        Om Namah Shivaya
        Jason James Morgan



        --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
        <editor@j...> wrote:
        > jasonjamesmorgan wrote:
        >
        > >Hello,
        > >
        > >Thanks for playing with me.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >>Your question remains moot
        > >>-- the closing elaboration
        > >>is just plain silly. There
        > >>are organisms and there is
        > >>awareness, which is only
        > >>nominally owned by
        > >>organisms.
        > >>
        > >>
        > >
        > >This is qualified non-dualsim.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > OK, label noted.
        >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >>Yes, and also of course a
        > >>sage. His "sheltered" status
        > >>facilitated both -- those of
        > >>us with householder
        > >>responsibilities don't have
        > >>the option of acting out
        > >>non-duality so overtly.
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>
        > >
        > >Was not Ramana a housholder before he left.
        > >
        > No, he went from his parents'
        > home directly to renunciation
        > afaik.
        >
        > >This seems a copout, and
        > >an insult to ramanas greatness.
        > >
        > If Bhagavan is insulted,
        > perhaps he'll somehow let me
        > know -- I'll gladly apologize.
        > :-P
        >
        > >Of course indian society does
        > >support the renuciates.
        > >
        > Indeed it does.
        >
        > >But if you were so inclined, you could
        > >renounce the world here in the west as well. Homeless shelters
        would
        > >feed you and house you, etc.
        > >
        > >
        > Free dental care might be a
        > nice bonus!
        >
        > >This is my point, westerners need to realize the difference
        between
        > >qualified non-dualsim and non-dualism.
        > >
        > >
        > If you say so -- I don't see
        > any such need, especially since
        > it would be such a remarkable
        > event for a Ramana-like course
        > of life to occur here in the
        > west. The cultural acceptance
        > of the sadhu as a respectable,
        > even revered member of society
        > is what facilitated (along with
        > his personal determination, of
        > course) the iconic Ramana so
        > many of use admire today. I
        > would maintain that such would
        > not be possible in the west.
        > The same goes for the Buddha,
        > who also made his livelihood
        > with a beggar's bowl -- for
        > such a life to occur requires
        > tolerance, approval, and support
        > from those who must earn their
        > daily bread. That is not to be
        > had in the cities of America and
        > Europe today.
        >
        > >The difference between tasting sugar(qualified non-dualism) and
        being
        > >sugar(non-dual)
        > >
        > >non-dualism is ramana.
        > >qualified non-dualism is ramakrishna
        > >A hipocrit who says he is sugar, but really tastes sugar is Papaji.
        > >
        > >
        > We all taste, even Ramana
        > did. Imo he was skillfully
        > playing a chosen role as an
        > extended teaching device.
        >
        > >There is nothing wrong with tasting the sugar.
        > >
        > There is no choice about it
        > -- to be incarnated is to
        > taste. Period.
        >
        > >Unless they delude
        > >themselves with papaji teachings and only talk the talk, and dont
        > >walk the walk.
        > >
        > >
        > It seems we are in agreement
        > concerning Papaji and his
        > several western disciples
        > with their untenable reliance
        > on Adviataspeak[tm]. :-)
        >
        > >Much love
        > >Namaste
        > >Om Namah Shivaya
        > >Jason James Morgan
        > >
        > >
        > ...and to you, sir!
      • Greg Goode
        Nice dialoguing, Bruce! --Greg ________________________________ From: Bruce Morgen [mailto:editor@juno.com] Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 5:32 PM To:
        Message 3 of 16 , Apr 4, 2005
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          Section 1

          Nice dialoguing, Bruce!

           

          --Greg

           


          From: Bruce Morgen [mailto:editor@...]
          Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 5:32 PM
          To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] Qualified non-dualism or non-dualism

           

          jasonjamesmorgan wrote:

          >Hello,
          >
          >Thanks for playing with me.
          >
          >
          >

        • Bruce Morgen
          Thank you, old friend -- and thanks also to that fine Canadian fellow who spells his surname so strangely! :-) Much love -- Bruce
          Message 4 of 16 , Apr 4, 2005
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            Thank you, old friend -- and
            thanks also to that fine
            Canadian fellow who spells
            his surname so strangely! :-)

            Much love -- Bruce


            Greg Goode wrote:

            > Nice dialoguing, Bruce!
            >
            >
            >
            > --Greg
            >
            >
            >
            > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
            >
            > *From:* Bruce Morgen [mailto:editor@...]
            > *Sent:* Sunday, April 03, 2005 5:32 PM
            > *To:* meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
            > *Subject:* Re: [Meditation Society of America] Qualified non-dualism
            > or non-dualism
            >
            >
            >
            > jasonjamesmorgan wrote:
            >
            >>Hello,
            >>
            >>Thanks for playing with me.
            >>
            >>
            >
          • Jeff Belyea
            Nice log rolling, Greg. ... or
            Message 5 of 16 , Apr 4, 2005
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              Nice log rolling, Greg.

              --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Goode"
              <goode@d...> wrote:
              > Nice dialoguing, Bruce!
              >
              >
              >
              > --Greg
              >
              >
              >
              > ________________________________
              >
              > From: Bruce Morgen [mailto:editor@j...]
              > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 5:32 PM
              > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] Qualified non-dualism
              or
              > non-dualism
              >
              >
              >
              > jasonjamesmorgan wrote:
              >
              > >Hello,
              > >
              > >Thanks for playing with me.
              > >
              > >
              > >
            • Bruce Morgen
              The exchanging of favors or praise, as among artists, critics, or academics, Jeffji? I confess I once attempted to give Gregji an old snare drum, but he
              Message 6 of 16 , Apr 4, 2005
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                "The exchanging of favors or
                praise, as among artists,
                critics, or academics," Jeffji?
                I confess I once attempted to
                give Gregji an old snare drum,
                but he turned me down, citing
                lack of room for it in his
                apartment.


                Jeff Belyea wrote:

                >Nice log rolling, Greg.
                >
                >--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Goode"
                ><goode@d...> wrote:
                >
                >
                >>Nice dialoguing, Bruce!
                >>
                >>
                >>
                >>--Greg
                >>
                >>
                >>
                >>________________________________
                >>
                >>From: Bruce Morgen [mailto:editor@j...]
                >>Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 5:32 PM
                >>To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                >>Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] Qualified non-dualism
                >>
                >>
                >or
                >
                >
                >>non-dualism
                >>
                >>
                >>
                >>jasonjamesmorgan wrote:
                >>
                >>
                >>
                >>>Hello,
                >>>
                >>>Thanks for playing with me.
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>
              • Jeff Belyea
                Snare drum: Advaitaspeak (TM)? ... dualism
                Message 7 of 16 , Apr 4, 2005
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                  Snare drum: Advaitaspeak (TM)?

                  --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
                  <editor@j...> wrote:
                  >
                  > "The exchanging of favors or
                  > praise, as among artists,
                  > critics, or academics," Jeffji?
                  > I confess I once attempted to
                  > give Gregji an old snare drum,
                  > but he turned me down, citing
                  > lack of room for it in his
                  > apartment.
                  >
                  >
                  > Jeff Belyea wrote:
                  >
                  > >Nice log rolling, Greg.
                  > >
                  > >--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Goode"
                  > ><goode@d...> wrote:
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >>Nice dialoguing, Bruce!
                  > >>
                  > >>
                  > >>
                  > >>--Greg
                  > >>
                  > >>
                  > >>
                  > >>________________________________
                  > >>
                  > >>From: Bruce Morgen [mailto:editor@j...]
                  > >>Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 5:32 PM
                  > >>To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                  > >>Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] Qualified non-
                  dualism
                  > >>
                  > >>
                  > >or
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >>non-dualism
                  > >>
                  > >>
                  > >>
                  > >>jasonjamesmorgan wrote:
                  > >>
                  > >>
                  > >>
                  > >>>Hello,
                  > >>>
                  > >>>Thanks for playing with me.
                  > >>>
                  > >>>
                  > >>>
                • Bruce Morgen
                  Not at all -- I found out that he likes to hit things rhythmically on occasion, so I figured to give him something appropriate for that activity. Sometimes a
                  Message 8 of 16 , Apr 4, 2005
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                    Not at all -- I found out
                    that he likes to hit things
                    rhythmically on occasion,
                    so I figured to give him
                    something appropriate for
                    that activity. Sometimes a
                    drum is just a drum and a
                    compliment is just a
                    compliment.



                    Jeff Belyea wrote:

                    >Snare drum: Advaitaspeak (TM)?
                    >
                    >--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
                    ><editor@j...> wrote:
                    >
                    >
                    >>"The exchanging of favors or
                    >>praise, as among artists,
                    >>critics, or academics," Jeffji?
                    >>I confess I once attempted to
                    >>give Gregji an old snare drum,
                    >>but he turned me down, citing
                    >>lack of room for it in his
                    >>apartment.
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>Jeff Belyea wrote:
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>>Nice log rolling, Greg.
                    >>>
                    >>>--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Goode"
                    >>><goode@d...> wrote:
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>>>Nice dialoguing, Bruce!
                    >>>>
                    >>>>
                    >>>>
                    >>>>--Greg
                    >>>>
                    >>>>
                    >>>>
                    >>>>________________________________
                    >>>>
                    >>>>From: Bruce Morgen [mailto:editor@j...]
                    >>>>Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 5:32 PM
                    >>>>To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                    >>>>Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] Qualified non-
                    >>>>
                    >>>>
                    >dualism
                    >
                    >
                    >>>>
                    >>>>
                    >>>>
                    >>>>
                    >>>or
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>>>non-dualism
                    >>>>
                    >>>>
                    >>>>
                    >>>>jasonjamesmorgan wrote:
                    >>>>
                    >>>>
                    >>>>
                    >>>>
                    >>>>
                    >>>>>Hello,
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>>Thanks for playing with me.
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>>
                    >>>>>
                  • Jeff Belyea
                    And sometimes a pun is just a pun.
                    Message 9 of 16 , Apr 4, 2005
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                      And sometimes a pun
                      is just a pun.

                      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
                      <editor@j...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Not at all -- I found out
                      > that he likes to hit things
                      > rhythmically on occasion,
                      > so I figured to give him
                      > something appropriate for
                      > that activity. Sometimes a
                      > drum is just a drum and a
                      > compliment is just a
                      > compliment.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Jeff Belyea wrote:
                      >
                      > >Snare drum: Advaitaspeak (TM)?
                      > >
                      > >--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
                      > ><editor@j...> wrote:
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >>"The exchanging of favors or
                      > >>praise, as among artists,
                      > >>critics, or academics," Jeffji?
                      > >>I confess I once attempted to
                      > >>give Gregji an old snare drum,
                      > >>but he turned me down, citing
                      > >>lack of room for it in his
                      > >>apartment.
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >>Jeff Belyea wrote:
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >>>Nice log rolling, Greg.
                      > >>>
                      > >>>--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Goode"
                      > >>><goode@d...> wrote:
                      > >>>
                      > >>>
                      > >>>
                      > >>>
                      > >>>>Nice dialoguing, Bruce!
                      > >>>>
                      > >>>>
                      > >>>>
                      > >>>>--Greg
                      > >>>>
                      > >>>>
                      > >>>>
                      > >>>>________________________________
                      > >>>>
                      > >>>>From: Bruce Morgen [mailto:editor@j...]
                      > >>>>Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 5:32 PM
                      > >>>>To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                      > >>>>Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] Qualified non-
                      > >>>>
                      > >>>>
                      > >dualism
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >>>>
                      > >>>>
                      > >>>>
                      > >>>>
                      > >>>or
                      > >>>
                      > >>>
                      > >>>
                      > >>>
                      > >>>>non-dualism
                      > >>>>
                      > >>>>
                      > >>>>
                      > >>>>jasonjamesmorgan wrote:
                      > >>>>
                      > >>>>
                      > >>>>
                      > >>>>
                      > >>>>
                      > >>>>>Hello,
                      > >>>>>
                      > >>>>>Thanks for playing with me.
                      > >>>>>
                      > >>>>>
                      > >>>>>
                    • Sandeep
                      Yoo-hoo JJM, A somewhat dated post... Some two cents... ... From: jasonjamesmorgan To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005
                      Message 10 of 16 , Apr 7, 2005
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                        Yoo-hoo JJM,
                         
                        A somewhat dated post...
                         
                        Some two cents...
                         
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 12:28 AM
                        Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Qualified non-dualism or non-dualism


                        Hello,

                        1.  If you were to get a splinter in your foot, do you remove it?  Or
                        do you realize there is no foot, no splinter, no pain.
                         
                        There is none.
                         
                        And yet a splinter may be removed.
                         
                        Or remains embedded.
                         
                         
                         
                         

                        Ramana sat to close to the fire once and severely burnt his legs.
                         
                        Ramana did not.
                        Yes the psycho-somatic organism which maybe labeled "Ramana", Buddha", "George W Bush/Osama Ben laden".......
                         
                        ......so long such an organism is "alive"..........if it sits on a hot stove, .......the organism will rapidly ascend.
                         
                         



                        2.  I am told you non-dual types believe in nothing.
                         
                         
                        Not even that nothing.
                         
                        And there is no non-dual types.
                         
                        Or to put it in another manner........there is not a whit difference between a non-dual type and a dual-type.
                         
                         
                         
                         
                         Do you believe in yourself?
                         
                         
                        What is this "yourself"?
                         
                         
                         
                         
                          If you only accept your awareness, do you accept mine? 
                         
                         
                        There is no "your" or "my" awareness.
                         
                         

                        If you accept mine, you must accept God.  That in which we live, move
                        and have our being. Qualified non-dualism.
                         
                        Aceept whatever rocks.
                         
                        Reject whatever rocks
                         
                        Both sneezings of the dreamt up character of the last night sleep dream.
                         
                         



                        3.  Do you accept qualified non-dualism?  Or do you only practice non-
                        dualsim?
                         
                         
                        What is qualified non-dualism?
                        What is the practice non-dualism?
                         
                         
                         
                          If so, do you have sex, enjoy food, etc.?
                         
                        Very much.
                         
                        And you forgot a good Cohiba.
                         
                        Sex is mere humping,.......... while a good cigar..........now that's something.
                         
                         
                         
                         
                          The difference
                        between tasting sugar and being sugar.
                         
                         
                        Being somewhat wet-behind the ears, can you please explain what is that difference?
                         
                         
                         
                         
                          Do you act non-dual(ie
                        Ramana)
                         
                         
                        That dude in the diaper was acting?
                         
                         
                         
                         or are you a hipocrit and really practice qualified non-
                        dualism(ie papaji).
                         
                        So non-hypocrisy lies in practicing non-qualified non-dualism?
                         
                        Can any "ism" escape a qualification?
                         
                        Non-qualification..............is not a qualification?
                         
                         
                          Act non-dual as well as talk non-dual.
                         
                        How do you act non-dual?
                         
                      • jasonjamesmorgan
                        Hello, The Holy Mother prepares food according to the childs temperments. Let us see if I can cook some good old fashion, home cooked non-dual Bhakti, non-dual
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                          Hello,

                          The Holy Mother prepares food according to the childs temperments.

                          Let us see if I can cook some good old fashion, home cooked non-dual
                          Bhakti, non-dual Gnani style. I get the feeling it would be less
                          spicy.

                          --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Sandeep"
                          <sandeep1960@y...> wrote:
                          > Yoo-hoo JJM,
                          >
                          > A somewhat dated post...
                          >
                          > Some two cents...
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: jasonjamesmorgan
                          > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
                          > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 12:28 AM
                          > Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Qualified non-dualism or
                          non-dualism
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Hello,
                          >
                          > 1. If you were to get a splinter in your foot, do you remove
                          it? Or
                          > do you realize there is no foot, no splinter, no pain.
                          >
                          > There is none.
                          >
                          > And yet a splinter may be removed.
                          >
                          > Or remains embedded.

                          JJM. A mental splinter, like a thought can be removed with non-
                          identification.

                          A phiscial splinter, like a splinter :), can be removed with tweezers.

                          The difference between sahaja savikalpa samadhi and sahaja nirvikalpa
                          samadhi is that one dude would have moved back from the fire, to the
                          other there was no fire, and no legs.

                          I guess the defence mechanism of refutation might come from believing
                          that you have the same power as the president.

                          A king demand a yogi tell him a special mantra. The yogi refused.
                          When asked he sayed it would not work for him. The king tripped out
                          and demanded to know why. Just then the yogi tripped out and ordered
                          a guard nearby to sieze the king. The guard did not even blink. The
                          king then got angrier and odered the guard to sieze the yogi. The
                          yogi became histarical with laughter when the gaurd grabbed him. The
                          yogi said he had just demonstrated why it would not work.

                          What if there is such things as avatars? Miracles........

                          So this distinction is valid in my books.
                          Ramana was the Man.

                          If you want to know my description of the distinction between
                          Savikalpa Samadhi and Nirvikalpa Samadhi, I am sure it is still
                          floating around on web. Type my full name in exact search in
                          google. Feel free to send me refutations. I enjoy learning more
                          than teaching.

                          >
                          > Ramana sat to close to the fire once and severely burnt his legs.
                          >
                          > Ramana did not.
                          > Yes the psycho-somatic organism which maybe labeled "Ramana",
                          Buddha", "George W Bush/Osama Ben laden".......
                          >
                          > ......so long such an organism is "alive"..........if it sits on
                          a hot stove, .......the organism will rapidly ascend.
                          >

                          JJM. So sit on a hot stove. The natural abidance in the effulgence
                          of Self, is preceded by the un-natural abidance in the effulgence of
                          Self.

                          He however was already boiled, a fresh pot.

                          Sahaja Nirvikalpa Samadhi is different than Sahaja Savikalpa
                          Samadhi. Those words of mine alluded to it.

                          See different groups post at bottom( I just typed it and dont feel
                          like retyping it)

                          >
                          > 2. I am told you non-dual types believe in nothing.
                          >
                          >
                          > Not even that nothing.
                          >
                          > And there is no non-dual types.
                          >
                          > Or to put it in another manner........there is not a whit
                          difference between a non-dual type and a dual-type.
                          >

                          JJM. See post at bottom.




                          > Do you believe in yourself?
                          >
                          >
                          > What is this "yourself"?
                          >

                          JJM. Who read and then answered this post? That is "your"Self as I
                          did not read and answer my post.



                          > If you only accept your awareness, do you accept mine?
                          >
                          >
                          > There is no "your" or "my" awareness.
                          >

                          JJM. Truth is apparent. So is honesty. Honesty is accepting neither
                          duality or oneness as you say. So, honestly, Jason is mine, Sandeep
                          is yours. I will hang on to Jason for the time being. If your
                          looking to give away Sandeep, I'll pass.


                          >
                          > If you accept mine, you must accept God. That in which we live,
                          move
                          > and have our being. Qualified non-dualism.
                          >
                          > Aceept whatever rocks.
                          >
                          > Reject whatever rocks
                          >
                          > Both sneezings of the dreamt up character of the last night sleep
                          dream.

                          JJM. The waking body is just as fleeting as the dream body. Where
                          is your body in deep sleep, or nirvikalpa samdhi. Could we chat in
                          the later "states". We are now. What does that tell ya?

                          >
                          >
                          > 3. Do you accept qualified non-dualism? Or do you only practice
                          non-
                          > dualsim?
                          >
                          >
                          > What is qualified non-dualism?
                          > What is the practice non-dualism?

                          JJM. Look it up.


                          >
                          >
                          > If so, do you have sex, enjoy food, etc.?
                          >
                          > Very much.
                          >
                          > And you forgot a good Cohiba.
                          >
                          > Sex is mere humping,.......... while a good cigar..........now
                          that's something.

                          Jason also enjoys the odd joint, the odd cigarrete, mexican and
                          italian food, and the Holy Mother. Does the none dual state allow of
                          parts?

                          If a tree falls in the forest does it make a sound? Only if there is
                          an ear drum around. Other wise it is just vibration.

                          The difference between tasting sugar, and being sugar.


                          > The difference
                          > between tasting sugar and being sugar.
                          >
                          >
                          > Being somewhat wet-behind the ears, can you please explain what
                          is that difference?

                          JJM. See above.


                          >
                          >
                          > Do you act non-dual(ie
                          > Ramana)
                          >
                          >
                          > That dude in the diaper was acting?
                          >

                          Yes, the part of Ramana. He did not talk for many years, in the
                          early years. I guess he was only doing guest appearnences at the
                          time. And as for his action after, he compared it to a sleep
                          walker. He said Jesus the Christ was not aware of his action. Have
                          you ever driven home and not remebered getting, like sleep walking,
                          it is just a metaphor to explain sahaja nirvikalpa samadhi. The pure
                          expression of God.

                          Living scripture.


                          >
                          > or are you a hipocrit and really practice qualified non-
                          > dualism(ie papaji).
                          >
                          > So non-hypocrisy lies in practicing non-qualified non-dualism?
                          >
                          > Can any "ism" escape a qualification?
                          >
                          > Non-qualification..............is not a qualification?
                          >
                          >
                          > Act non-dual as well as talk non-dual.
                          >
                          > How do you act non-dual?

                          Sahaja Nirvikalpa Samadhi.

                          The sadhana of gnani gets you to act right. No parts, no desire.
                          Kill desire. Etc. No male or female, means no sex. Shitty deal for
                          some. An ape is attracted to an ape. Different races are attracted
                          to their own somewhat. Daughter end up with husbands like their
                          dads. Attraction is a mental creation, enforced by past influences.

                          If you were non-dual, would you like blondes or brunnettes better?
                          Bunk question in the non-dual standpoint.


                          Anyways, If I had posted the below before you posted your response,
                          which one would you have responded to, and what would have been the
                          thought and context.


                          Posted on the "direct approach" group.

                          "Hello,

                          Natural abidance in the effulgence of Self, is preceded by un-natural
                          abidance in the effulgence of Self.

                          This whole group, Ramana, Sankara, Patanjali, Ramakrishna, etc. etc.,
                          vedanta, religion, the very chance to experience realization, would
                          not be without the cause.

                          So to deny the former, is to deny the present.

                          Without duality, there would be no whole. Get it.

                          Thank the dudes that remain un-awakened, as they give the chance for
                          us to be the polar.

                          Nirvikalpa samdhi admits of no parts, no body(hence death in most
                          cases). So it is seen that the natural state would not allow our
                          little chats. And where would be the fun in that.

                          This is sahaja savikalpa samadhi we are injoying, or you would not be
                          reading this.

                          Sahaja savikalpa (dual) samadhi or the natural abidance in the
                          effulgence of Self, is the kingdom of heaven, the kingdom of heaven
                          is inside you. Enjoy it.

                          But remember without hell, there is no heaven.

                          Om Tat Sat.

                          Ramakrishna was travelling in a cariage to some devotees house, they
                          passed a bar, with revelors and drunk merry makers. He saw the
                          revelry of the Holy Mother and went into samadhi. He shouted,
                          congratulations and happiness for them, as he leaned out of the
                          carrige and lost outward consciousness. One new devotee became
                          concerned about the masters body. His concernes were quenched by an
                          experienced devotee of the Master.

                          Namaste
                          Om Namah Shivaya
                          Jason James Morgan"



                          You dont have to accept God, to accept this.
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