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Re: Two Types of Meditation: Stabilizing and Analytical

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  • Nina
    ... That s an interesting article, Bob. Something came to mind while reading that article. Are these two styles of meditation so different, afterall? Could it
    Message 1 of 6 , Dec 18, 2004
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      <no_reply@y...> wrote:
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      > The Tibetans Buddhists consider
      > analytical meditation techniques to
      > be superior to the stabilizing.

      That's an interesting article, Bob.
      Something came to mind while reading
      that article. Are these two styles of
      meditation so different, afterall?
      Could it be that the analytical
      meditation, in how it repeatedly
      addresses the concept of 'peace'
      with focus and determination, is
      actually... stabilizing?

      It's an interesting piece for me,
      as I've been wondering at the apparent
      gap between the practice of hatha yoga
      by the intuitive (what might be termed
      stabilizing) and analytical streams.
      An example of the intuitive stream
      might be Diane Long's practice, which
      she originally cultivated by working
      closely with Vanda Scaravelli. An example
      of the analytical stream might be yoga
      as practiced by Iyengar, or his students.
      Are they so different?

      I can see the differences and the
      similarities. Probably, the differences
      arise from focus, and what is plucked
      out of 'all the possibilities' as the
      piece to be shared. It is a matter of
      'interest', which has evolved into a
      matter of 'importance'. The moment you
      open your mouth to teach something, you
      capture it, bound it, fix it... and you
      lose site of 'it' as a fluid 'thing'
      at the same time! Though neither necessarily
      represent (so sadly! arumph!)
      the whole picture, they both retain a
      connection to that whole picture... and
      presumably, it would be possible to access
      that whole picture by jumping on the tail
      of either system and climbing that tail
      past the head of that system.

      Nina
    • medit8ionsociety
      From ur web site, Meditation Station http://www.meditationsociety.com/twotypes.html Tibetan Buddhism speaks of two different types of meditation. One is
      Message 2 of 6 , Apr 29, 2012
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        From ur web site, Meditation Station
        http://www.meditationsociety.com/twotypes.html

        Tibetan Buddhism speaks of two different types of
        meditation. One is Stabilizing and could be characterized
        by a type of "mindless" repetition of a word or phrase
        (mantra/japa) or by simply doing an action over and over
        like yantra (the continual gazing at an object,
        ie: a picture or statue of a deity, the symbol for OM,
        a flame, etc.). The other type of meditation is Analytical.
        In this form, the practitioner doesn't simply repeat a
        word over and over or look at a picture repeatedly.
        The meditator would try to understand everything they
        know or everything that can be known about the object
        of their attention.

        As an example of the difference between a stabilizing
        and an analytical meditation, let's use the word peace.
        You could repeat peace, peace, peace, ad infinitum and
        eventually go deeper and deeper into a state of quietude
        that could be described as Peace. This is very nice but
        perhaps might not be fulfilling relative to an increase in understanding about peace. This is where analytical meditation
        might bring a benefit.

        The meditator who is trained in analytical methodology
        might also start by repeating the word peace, but once
        firmly concentrated on it would then proceed to analyzing
        everything they knew about peace. They might think about
        the things that bring them peace like swimming, or eating,
        or maybe holding a baby. They may also think about the
        things that make them lose their peace like their boss, or unfulfilled desires, or driving in heavy traffic.

        In theory, eventually, if they kept at it, they would
        connect everything in the universe, because everything
        is in some way connected with peace (Einstein's' theory
        of relativity - all things are relative to everything else).
        But what actually happens is that the object of your
        meditation starts to present itself to you and you can
        sit back in your minds-eye and simply witness your Higher
        Mind reveal every aspect of peace to you.

        Your inner Witness, who is your Real Self, is always
        receiving, knowing, and at one with everything and once
        we remove the false concept that we are different (a body,
        a mind, an emotion, even a separate soul) from it, we will
        know and be at one with everything. Our consciousness
        awakens to its real natural of infinite, eternal Peace, Love, Knowledge, and Bliss, and we live happily ever after.
        This is the state known as Contemplation.

        So, to summarize, you start by Concentrating, then Meditate
        by the analytical method, and then this segues into
        Contemplation. It is then when all the ???'s turn into !!!.
        The Tibetans Buddhists consider analytical meditation
        techniques to be superior to the stabilizing. For you,
        now, it may be possible that this may bring about the
        result you seek.
      • medit8ionsociety
        Tibetan Buddhism speaks of two different types of meditation. One is Stabilizing and could be characterized by a type of mindless repetition of a word or
        Message 3 of 6 , Feb 17 3:57 PM
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          • Tibetan Buddhism speaks of two different types of meditation. One is Stabilizing and could be characterized by a type of "mindless" repetition of a word or phrase (mantra/japa) or by simply doing an action over and over like yantra (the continual gazing at an object, ie: a picture or statue of a deity, the symbol for OM, a flame, etc.). The other type of meditation is Analytical. In this form, the practitioner doesn’t simply repeat a word over and over or look at a picture repeatedly. The meditator would try to understand everything they know or everything that can be known about the object of their attention.
          • As an example of the difference between a stabilizing and an analytical meditation, let’s use the word peace. You could repeat peace, peace, peace, ad infinitum and eventually go deeper and deeper into a state of quietude that could be described as Peace. This is very nice but perhaps might not be fulfilling relative to an increase in understanding about peace. This is where analytical meditation might bring a benefit.


          • The meditator who is trained in analytical methodology might also start by repeating the word peace, but once firmly concentrated on it would then proceed to analyzing everything they knew about peace. They might think about the things that bring them peace like swimming, or eating, or maybe holding a baby. They may also think about the things that make them lose their peace like their boss, or unfulfilled desires, or driving in heavy traffic.


          • In theory, eventually, if they kept at it, they would connect everything in the universe, because everything is in some way connected with peace (Einstein’s’ theory of relativity - in a way, all things are relative to everything else). But what actually happens is that the object of your meditation starts to present itself to you and you can sit back in your minds-eye and simply witness your Higher Mind reveal every aspect of peace to you.


          • Your inner Witness, who is your Real Self, is always receiving, knowing, and at one with everything and once we remove the false concept that we are different (a body, a mind, an emotion, even a separate soul) from it, we will know and be at one with everything. Our consciousness awakens to its real natural of infinite, eternal Peace, Love, Knowledge, and Bliss, and we live happily ever after. This is the state known as Contemplation.

          • So, to summarize, you start by Concentrating, then Meditate by the analytical method, and then this segues into Contemplation. It is then when all the ???’s turn into !!!.

          • The Tibetans Buddhists consider analytical meditation techniques to be superior to the stabilizing. For you, now, it may be possible that this may bring about the result you seek.



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