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  • Jeff Belyea
    Meat that thinks and meat that has a spritual experience? Where s the love, women? (ü) ... Santino_50
    Message 1 of 6 , Sep 28, 2004
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      Meat that thinks
      and meat that
      has a spritual
      experience?

      Where's the love,
      women?

      (ü)


      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Nina"
      <murrkis@y...> wrote:
      > :) Maybe the 'how' IS the 'why'.
      >
      > not even two cents,
      > Nina
      >
      > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
      Santino_50
      > <santino_50@y...> wrote:
      > > Hello Group,
      > >
      > > My view is that science can tell us the HOW of many
      > > processes -- the step-by-step interactions that got us
      > > from crawling creatures to human beings. But the
      > > questions of WHY are beyond its scope. Because we can
      > > explain a process does not mean that we understand its
      > > essential substance. That's the area of religion and
      > > spirituality. I don't see a conflict. I wouldn't go
      > > to a scientist for a philosophical or spiritual
      > > assessment anymore than I would go to a spiritual
      > > guide for a scientific one.
      > >
      > > Just my $0.02
      > >
      > > thanks,
      > >
      > > Patrick
      > >
      > >
      > > --- Era <mi_nok@y...> wrote:
      > >
      > > > New Delhi: Modern science tells us that love is
      > > > essentially a chemical phenomenon. All the things
      > > > you
      > > > feel when you're in love can be explained by the
      > > > presence of certain chemicals—-say, phenyl
      > > > ethylamine
      > > > which is associated with a feeling of bliss or
      > > > oxytocin that's found to be high in breast-feeding
      > > > mothers.
      > > >
      > > > While research on the subject is still not
      > > > conclusive, there are suggestions that religious and
      > > > spiritual experiences, too, might be built into the
      > > > complex circuitry of our brains. At least that's
      > > > what
      > > > research in two American universities appear to
      > > > indicate.
      > > >
      > > > Research at the University of Wisconsin at Madison
      > > > and the University of California, San Francisco, on
      > > > Buddhist monks showed that parts of the brain
      > > > dealing
      > > > with positive emotions and self-control were more
      > > > active, while those associated with memory of fear
      > > > were relatively calmer, leading researchers to
      > > > believe
      > > > that Buddhist monks who appear happy and calm were
      > > > are
      > > > genuinely so.
      > > >
      > > > To take the research on spiritual experience
      > > > further, Andrew Newburg, a radiologist at the
      > > > University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, scanned
      > > > the brains of Buddhist monks and Franciscan nuns in
      > > > meditation or prayer and the results were
      > > > fascinating.
      > > >
      > > > First, the prefrontal cortex -or the part of the
      > > > brain dealing with positive emotions -was seething
      > > > with activity. More interestingly, the parietal
      > > > lobes
      > > > showed very little activity. What are parietal
      > > > lobes?
      > > > These lobes are part of the cerebrum and are
      > > > associated with two functions, the orientation of
      > > > the
      > > > body in space and the perception of space and time.
      > > >
      > > > To be more precise, the left superior parietal lobe
      > > > creates the perception of the body's physical
      > > > boundaries and the right superior parietal lobe
      > > > creates the perception of physical space outside of
      > > > the body. Since, during meditation, the parietal
      > > > lobes
      > > > are unable to create the perception of space and
      > > > linear time that are an essential part of our
      > > > consciousness, it gives rise to a sensation of
      > > > infinity and timelessness.
      > > >
      > > > That's one take. Here's another. Dr Michael
      > > > Persinger at Laurentian University studied the brain
      > > > scans of temporal lobe of epileptic patients who
      > > > reported having mystical experiences. He then
      > > > artificially induced temporal lobe seizures on
      > > > volunteers and their reactions were the same as the
      > > > epileptics —-religious dream-like hallucinations and
      > > > the volunteers sensing `spectral presence´ in the
      > > > room
      > > > with them.
      > > >
      > > > Dr Persinger suggests this could be because of the
      > > > presence of the temporal cortex inside the temporal
      > > > lobes. The left hemisphere of the temporal cortex is
      > > > responsible for one's awareness of self. When the
      > > > activity in this cortex gets out of sync, as happens
      > > > in a seizure, the left hemisphere perceives the
      > > > right
      > > > hemisphere as a `sensed presence´ separate from
      > > > itself, which could be interpreted as God.
      > > >
      > > > Another part of the brain that could be playing a
      > > > role in religious experiences is the limbic system.
      > > > Limbic stimulation is known to bring richness to
      > > > experience. Jeffery Saver, a researcher at UCLA,
      > > > says
      > > > that during a religious experience the limbic system
      > > > becomes unusually active, which makes everything
      > > > that
      > > > happens during an experience especially significant.
      > > > In fact, even elaborate religious ceremonies,
      > > > involving things like chanting and rituals, make the
      > > > brain tag the rituals as different from everyday
      > > > activities. This, in turn, triggers activity in the
      > > > limbic system leading to a feeling of bliss.
      > > >
      > > > Skeptics will interpret the scientific findings as
      > > > proof that God does not exist, because we can
      > > > scientifically replicate mystical religious
      > > > experiences. However, Newberg himself says that
      > > > while
      > > > he has a sense of his own spirituality, his agenda
      > > > for
      > > > research doesn't include determining whether god
      > > > exists or not. That, according to him, is a
      > > > different
      > > > question from trying to determine the neurology of
      > > > spiritual and religious experiences.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > metta, Era
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > _______________________________
      > > Do you Yahoo!?
      > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today!
      > > http://vote.yahoo.com
    • Nina
      Hehe, I got plenty of love, right here in my luteinizing hormones. Surge, baby, surge! If you can t see the love in the how , then I might ask you the
      Message 2 of 6 , Sep 28, 2004
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        Hehe, I got plenty of love,
        right here in my luteinizing
        hormones. Surge, baby, surge!

        If you can't see the love
        in the 'how', then I might ask
        you the similar:

        "Where's the love, man?"

        ;) Nina

        --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
        <jeff@m...> wrote:
        > Meat that thinks
        > and meat that
        > has a spritual
        > experience?
        >
        > Where's the love,
        > women?
        >
        > (ü)
        >
        >
        > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Nina"
        > <murrkis@y...> wrote:
        > > :) Maybe the 'how' IS the 'why'.
        > >
        > > not even two cents,
        > > Nina
        > >
        > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
        > Santino_50
        > > <santino_50@y...> wrote:
        > > > Hello Group,
        > > >
        > > > My view is that science can tell us the HOW of many
        > > > processes -- the step-by-step interactions that got us
        > > > from crawling creatures to human beings. But the
        > > > questions of WHY are beyond its scope. Because we can
        > > > explain a process does not mean that we understand its
        > > > essential substance. That's the area of religion and
        > > > spirituality. I don't see a conflict. I wouldn't go
        > > > to a scientist for a philosophical or spiritual
        > > > assessment anymore than I would go to a spiritual
        > > > guide for a scientific one.
        > > >
        > > > Just my $0.02
        > > >
        > > > thanks,
        > > >
        > > > Patrick
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > --- Era <mi_nok@y...> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > > New Delhi: Modern science tells us that love is
        > > > > essentially a chemical phenomenon. All the things
        > > > > you
        > > > > feel when you're in love can be explained by the
        > > > > presence of certain chemicals—-say, phenyl
        > > > > ethylamine
        > > > > which is associated with a feeling of bliss or
        > > > > oxytocin that's found to be high in breast-feeding
        > > > > mothers.
        > > > >
        > > > > While research on the subject is still not
        > > > > conclusive, there are suggestions that religious and
        > > > > spiritual experiences, too, might be built into the
        > > > > complex circuitry of our brains. At least that's
        > > > > what
        > > > > research in two American universities appear to
        > > > > indicate.
        > > > >
        > > > > Research at the University of Wisconsin at Madison
        > > > > and the University of California, San Francisco, on
        > > > > Buddhist monks showed that parts of the brain
        > > > > dealing
        > > > > with positive emotions and self-control were more
        > > > > active, while those associated with memory of fear
        > > > > were relatively calmer, leading researchers to
        > > > > believe
        > > > > that Buddhist monks who appear happy and calm were
        > > > > are
        > > > > genuinely so.
        > > > >
        > > > > To take the research on spiritual experience
        > > > > further, Andrew Newburg, a radiologist at the
        > > > > University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, scanned
        > > > > the brains of Buddhist monks and Franciscan nuns in
        > > > > meditation or prayer and the results were
        > > > > fascinating.
        > > > >
        > > > > First, the prefrontal cortex -or the part of the
        > > > > brain dealing with positive emotions -was seething
        > > > > with activity. More interestingly, the parietal
        > > > > lobes
        > > > > showed very little activity. What are parietal
        > > > > lobes?
        > > > > These lobes are part of the cerebrum and are
        > > > > associated with two functions, the orientation of
        > > > > the
        > > > > body in space and the perception of space and time.
        > > > >
        > > > > To be more precise, the left superior parietal lobe
        > > > > creates the perception of the body's physical
        > > > > boundaries and the right superior parietal lobe
        > > > > creates the perception of physical space outside of
        > > > > the body. Since, during meditation, the parietal
        > > > > lobes
        > > > > are unable to create the perception of space and
        > > > > linear time that are an essential part of our
        > > > > consciousness, it gives rise to a sensation of
        > > > > infinity and timelessness.
        > > > >
        > > > > That's one take. Here's another. Dr Michael
        > > > > Persinger at Laurentian University studied the brain
        > > > > scans of temporal lobe of epileptic patients who
        > > > > reported having mystical experiences. He then
        > > > > artificially induced temporal lobe seizures on
        > > > > volunteers and their reactions were the same as the
        > > > > epileptics —-religious dream-like hallucinations and
        > > > > the volunteers sensing `spectral presence´ in the
        > > > > room
        > > > > with them.
        > > > >
        > > > > Dr Persinger suggests this could be because of the
        > > > > presence of the temporal cortex inside the temporal
        > > > > lobes. The left hemisphere of the temporal cortex is
        > > > > responsible for one's awareness of self. When the
        > > > > activity in this cortex gets out of sync, as happens
        > > > > in a seizure, the left hemisphere perceives the
        > > > > right
        > > > > hemisphere as a `sensed presence´ separate from
        > > > > itself, which could be interpreted as God.
        > > > >
        > > > > Another part of the brain that could be playing a
        > > > > role in religious experiences is the limbic system.
        > > > > Limbic stimulation is known to bring richness to
        > > > > experience. Jeffery Saver, a researcher at UCLA,
        > > > > says
        > > > > that during a religious experience the limbic system
        > > > > becomes unusually active, which makes everything
        > > > > that
        > > > > happens during an experience especially significant.
        > > > > In fact, even elaborate religious ceremonies,
        > > > > involving things like chanting and rituals, make the
        > > > > brain tag the rituals as different from everyday
        > > > > activities. This, in turn, triggers activity in the
        > > > > limbic system leading to a feeling of bliss.
        > > > >
        > > > > Skeptics will interpret the scientific findings as
        > > > > proof that God does not exist, because we can
        > > > > scientifically replicate mystical religious
        > > > > experiences. However, Newberg himself says that
        > > > > while
        > > > > he has a sense of his own spirituality, his agenda
        > > > > for
        > > > > research doesn't include determining whether god
        > > > > exists or not. That, according to him, is a
        > > > > different
        > > > > question from trying to determine the neurology of
        > > > > spiritual and religious experiences.
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > metta, Era
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > _______________________________
        > > > Do you Yahoo!?
        > > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today!
        > > > http://vote.yahoo.com
      • Jeff Belyea
        In the dewing. (ü) ... Belyea ... can
        Message 3 of 6 , Sep 28, 2004
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          In the dewing. (ü)


          --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Nina"
          <murrkis@y...> wrote:
          > Hehe, I got plenty of love,
          > right here in my luteinizing
          > hormones. Surge, baby, surge!
          >
          > If you can't see the love
          > in the 'how', then I might ask
          > you the similar:
          >
          > "Where's the love, man?"
          >
          > ;) Nina
          >
          > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff
          Belyea"
          > <jeff@m...> wrote:
          > > Meat that thinks
          > > and meat that
          > > has a spritual
          > > experience?
          > >
          > > Where's the love,
          > > women?
          > >
          > > (ü)
          > >
          > >
          > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Nina"
          > > <murrkis@y...> wrote:
          > > > :) Maybe the 'how' IS the 'why'.
          > > >
          > > > not even two cents,
          > > > Nina
          > > >
          > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
          > > Santino_50
          > > > <santino_50@y...> wrote:
          > > > > Hello Group,
          > > > >
          > > > > My view is that science can tell us the HOW of many
          > > > > processes -- the step-by-step interactions that got us
          > > > > from crawling creatures to human beings. But the
          > > > > questions of WHY are beyond its scope. Because we
          can
          > > > > explain a process does not mean that we understand its
          > > > > essential substance. That's the area of religion and
          > > > > spirituality. I don't see a conflict. I wouldn't go
          > > > > to a scientist for a philosophical or spiritual
          > > > > assessment anymore than I would go to a spiritual
          > > > > guide for a scientific one.
          > > > >
          > > > > Just my $0.02
          > > > >
          > > > > thanks,
          > > > >
          > > > > Patrick
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > --- Era <mi_nok@y...> wrote:
          > > > >
          > > > > > New Delhi: Modern science tells us that love is
          > > > > > essentially a chemical phenomenon. All the things
          > > > > > you
          > > > > > feel when you're in love can be explained by the
          > > > > > presence of certain chemicals—-say, phenyl
          > > > > > ethylamine
          > > > > > which is associated with a feeling of bliss or
          > > > > > oxytocin that's found to be high in breast-feeding
          > > > > > mothers.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > While research on the subject is still not
          > > > > > conclusive, there are suggestions that religious and
          > > > > > spiritual experiences, too, might be built into the
          > > > > > complex circuitry of our brains. At least that's
          > > > > > what
          > > > > > research in two American universities appear to
          > > > > > indicate.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Research at the University of Wisconsin at Madison
          > > > > > and the University of California, San Francisco, on
          > > > > > Buddhist monks showed that parts of the brain
          > > > > > dealing
          > > > > > with positive emotions and self-control were more
          > > > > > active, while those associated with memory of fear
          > > > > > were relatively calmer, leading researchers to
          > > > > > believe
          > > > > > that Buddhist monks who appear happy and calm were
          > > > > > are
          > > > > > genuinely so.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > To take the research on spiritual experience
          > > > > > further, Andrew Newburg, a radiologist at the
          > > > > > University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, scanned
          > > > > > the brains of Buddhist monks and Franciscan nuns in
          > > > > > meditation or prayer and the results were
          > > > > > fascinating.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > First, the prefrontal cortex -or the part of the
          > > > > > brain dealing with positive emotions -was seething
          > > > > > with activity. More interestingly, the parietal
          > > > > > lobes
          > > > > > showed very little activity. What are parietal
          > > > > > lobes?
          > > > > > These lobes are part of the cerebrum and are
          > > > > > associated with two functions, the orientation of
          > > > > > the
          > > > > > body in space and the perception of space and time.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > To be more precise, the left superior parietal lobe
          > > > > > creates the perception of the body's physical
          > > > > > boundaries and the right superior parietal lobe
          > > > > > creates the perception of physical space outside of
          > > > > > the body. Since, during meditation, the parietal
          > > > > > lobes
          > > > > > are unable to create the perception of space and
          > > > > > linear time that are an essential part of our
          > > > > > consciousness, it gives rise to a sensation of
          > > > > > infinity and timelessness.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > That's one take. Here's another. Dr Michael
          > > > > > Persinger at Laurentian University studied the brain
          > > > > > scans of temporal lobe of epileptic patients who
          > > > > > reported having mystical experiences. He then
          > > > > > artificially induced temporal lobe seizures on
          > > > > > volunteers and their reactions were the same as the
          > > > > > epileptics —-religious dream-like hallucinations and
          > > > > > the volunteers sensing `spectral presence´ in the
          > > > > > room
          > > > > > with them.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Dr Persinger suggests this could be because of the
          > > > > > presence of the temporal cortex inside the temporal
          > > > > > lobes. The left hemisphere of the temporal cortex is
          > > > > > responsible for one's awareness of self. When the
          > > > > > activity in this cortex gets out of sync, as happens
          > > > > > in a seizure, the left hemisphere perceives the
          > > > > > right
          > > > > > hemisphere as a `sensed presence´ separate from
          > > > > > itself, which could be interpreted as God.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Another part of the brain that could be playing a
          > > > > > role in religious experiences is the limbic system.
          > > > > > Limbic stimulation is known to bring richness to
          > > > > > experience. Jeffery Saver, a researcher at UCLA,
          > > > > > says
          > > > > > that during a religious experience the limbic system
          > > > > > becomes unusually active, which makes everything
          > > > > > that
          > > > > > happens during an experience especially significant.
          > > > > > In fact, even elaborate religious ceremonies,
          > > > > > involving things like chanting and rituals, make the
          > > > > > brain tag the rituals as different from everyday
          > > > > > activities. This, in turn, triggers activity in the
          > > > > > limbic system leading to a feeling of bliss.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Skeptics will interpret the scientific findings as
          > > > > > proof that God does not exist, because we can
          > > > > > scientifically replicate mystical religious
          > > > > > experiences. However, Newberg himself says that
          > > > > > while
          > > > > > he has a sense of his own spirituality, his agenda
          > > > > > for
          > > > > > research doesn't include determining whether god
          > > > > > exists or not. That, according to him, is a
          > > > > > different
          > > > > > question from trying to determine the neurology of
          > > > > > spiritual and religious experiences.
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > metta, Era
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > _______________________________
          > > > > Do you Yahoo!?
          > > > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today!
          > > > > http://vote.yahoo.com
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