[Meditation Society of America] Re: Dealing With Life Meditations/Eglaelin
- --- In email@example.com, "Terry Wall" <terryw@i...>
> I, too, am a mountain climber, and what I most notice is that it provides an idealAnd that, I contend, is comfortable for you. That is, while you may endure much
> exercise for one-pointed mindfulness. One may never lose focus.
hardship on the way up, the payoff is such that all that hardship was worth it;
as you were able to extract the comfort you sought thru the activity.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: alienprobemaster
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 10:30 PM
> Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Dealing With Life Meditations/Eglaelin
> I asked a Mountain Climber wich has treveled the world to climb
> verious mountains, she lives here in my town, she likes to come to my
> internet cafe and send of e-mails. So I asked her:
> "Now tell me, wat do you actual gain out of the experience to climb
> al these mountains, is all mountains not the same as the other"
> Uuu no, it is not only about the experience of climbing mountains but
> also the Freedom that you get out of it.
> "Ok, this is getting interesting, tell me if I flash the word "Death"
> or "Hurt" to you, how does it evect your experience and freedom by
> climbing a mountain"
> Many asked me that one, I will say that every moment I undure,
> including pain and also a posible near death experience, I just love
> it, it makes me feel more complete aaaa wats the word for it ...
> "You meen capable of doing something with the leest possible
> issitance from stuff as technology while still at risk of you well
> being, that is called challenged"
> Yea thats the word.
> "Hehe, I see you suffer with your English a bit I know you are
> Afrikaans, how so when you have travel world wide and met so many
> It is more in the fact of who I travel with than who I meet, usually
> my husband does all the talking.
> "You say you travel in a party, tell me more how it feels to be at
> this freedom when people does it with you"
> O it is just great to know that there is atleast some1 in the world
> who has the same interest.
> "Mmmm, because of the interest that the hole party has, can you
> define that you trust them more, like I say, to you climbing a
> mountain is chop chop work with other people, to me it is more like
> following a person into hell"
> It is not that some1 asked me to do it, but yes I can say that it
> does have a evect to my trust when I even climb with a total stranger
> or professional.
> "Is that a positive trust or negetive trust, do you feel more freedom
> when you for instance chat with some1 that also shares same interest."
> Positive trust ofcoarse. Well not really more freedom from just
> chating with some1, I think it is like gaining more respect for that
> person, but it does reach it's top point when we actually climbed
> some big mountain.
> "Aaaaa so I see that even comen interest has an evect on trust, now
> my last question is, wat is actually trigering this feel of freedom,
> is it more like to just eskape every day live."
> Ya, for all the time that I worked so hard, both at my job, aerning
> money, children and everything, and all this just to go over seas to
> climb a mountain.
> "Ok, thanx for the time to chat with you, I now understand your
> insight of freedom, and o dont worry about your PC time, I will reset
> it for you"
> So now we can see that not only experience drives a person to do the
> unspeakable to get to comfort and luxury, but also Freedom, the
> curious mind and stress itself. Amazing, is'nt it ?
> State of Mind Now: To be, or not to be, that is the question.
> >--- In email@example.com, "Eglaelin"
> > Greetings and Felicitation,
> > I have been contemplating your comments below for several days. Here
> > is thought, or two, about this subject.
> > Humans are the only creature (that we know of) whom deliberately
> > out uncomfortable circumstances for the experience. Have you ever
> > heard of an animal going without food when food was available. Yet,
> > human beings will deliberately fast when plenty of food is present.
> > Why? For the experience. Does any animal climb to the top of Mt.
> > Everest just for the experience of doing so. How about living in
> > extreme cold, or space, just for the experience? The list of
> > activities could go on and on. Maybe this is one of the defining
> > differences between animals and humans. Just a thought.
> >I would contend that there is comfort to be found in these
> >experiences, and that's why we do them.
> >That is, we will endure much discomfort in our search for
> >more novel kinds of comfort, such as having been to the
> >top of the world, etc.
> >The difference between animals and humans isn't that humans
> >seek discomfort where animals won't, it's that humans have
> >developed a taste for more exotic kinds of comfor,t for which
> >they are willing to endure various levels of discomfort to
> > --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "jodyrrr"
> > <jodyrrr@y...> wrote:
> > > The single and solitary goal of all life is to seek
> > > comfort. Pleasure equals comfort for many forms of
> > > life. You are seeking to be ethical. For the moment
> > > that is your comfort.
> > >
> > > I submit to you that *each and every* thing that you
> > > do serves your own personal comfort. You cannot escape
> > > your own comfort seeking. Even if you put a gun to your
> > > head and pull the trigger, it was because you sought some
> > > comfort in it, even if it was only to attempt to contradict what
> > > I've written above.
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> If you like the study of the mind, Eglaelin, You might try GeorgPatanjali.
> Feuerstein's translation and commentary on "Yoga Sutra" by
> It is the basis of Raja Yoga. It is very systematic and wellformed.
>devi: i have it on order from the library, i've already read about
> Bobby G.
four or five commentaries, most from indian scholors, i'm actually
thinking about offering study groups in my area..