Re: false gurus
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, kathy rabold <karatagi34677@y...> wrote:
> Karta, Who are self-appointed masters ? Do you know who they are ?hi, Kathy
> Who are the good ones ? Kathy
> satkartar7 <mi_nok@y...> wrote:
> Difference between a true Master and a self-appointed Master
> Many claim to be Masters without possessing knowledge or experience
> from the Divine plane.
> There are today thousands of "Masters" in both the east and the west
> All these claim to be Masters themselves.
> Considered from the point
> of view of a true, genuine teacher, Master, the teaching of the self-
> appointed, physical "Masters" are directly or indirectly influenced
> by the negative sensory power.
> What is it then that these self-appointed teachers or Masters teach?
> On the surface they supply the same teaching, but deliver a
> different sort of doctrine, experience. They can lead or guide their
> disciples only to those areas within the astral world or the sensory
> dimensions which they have reached themselves. The message or the
> teaching is the same. With some training, anybody is capable of
> teaching without any problems whatsoever. But it is difficult to
> provide the practical demonstration and the first-hand information.
> This is only possible for him/her who has been appointed by the
> Highest Creative Power.
> What is the difference between a true, genuine, competent master and
> a so-called self-appointed master? There is a big difference! It is
> easy to ascend beyond the physical consciousness and concentrate on
> the area between the brows (the third eye, the seat of the soul).
> But it is very difficult to (completely) withdraw the consciousness
> from the body consciousness and reach beyond the astral and causal
> regions. In order to accomplish this, one has to be focused and
> constantly have his/her attention in the third eye. This is only
> possible with the help of the Highest Creative Power. A human being
> can never reach this on his own.
> Erroneous guidance of so-called self-appointed "masters".
> All impressions and experiences from previous lives (all karma), are
> gathered in a big reservoir in our unconscious mind. This works as
> an iron curtain hindering the soul or spirit in reaching its
> destination. Only the Highest Divine Power, the Word or Shabd (the
> sound within) can incinerate, eliminate karma and open the third eye
> so that the soul can pass beyond the darkness and experience the
> spiritual light. Since the so-called self-appointed "masters" are
> incapable of eliminating karma, the information they deliver at the
> time of initiation is connected to the sensory regions, and the
> message or knowledge coming from there is of solely negative
> character. This kind of energy and knowledge keeps one bound in the
> lower sensory regions and whatever experiences there are pure
> Even the five holy names, mantras or words, revealed by some self-
> appointed teacher or master not empowered by the Highest Divine
> Power, are without any value at all. He, who received the five
> mantras at his initiation by a self-appointed teacher, can only
> reach as far as the respective teacher had reached. If, for example,
> such a "master" has reached no further than the lower or
> intermediary regions of the astral plane, neither can his disciples.
> On this plane, the disciple may be able to perform many kinds of
> miracles and have fascinating experiences that make him believe that
> he is in constant progress, but in reality he is moving around
> within the same plane.
> The self-appointed masters existing today in the sensory world, make
> their disciples believe that the experiences they have on these
> sensory regions are in fact of spiritual nature. This is misleading
> for the disciples and keeps them bound in this region and to their
> ego. These astral experiences make on see different kinds of
> phenomenon as for example various landscapes, flowery fields,
> angels, buildings and various kinds of places, etc. The purpose of
> the five names (mantras) given at the time of initiation by a
> competent master living among us here and now, is to withdraw the
> soul from the sensory world and thereby enable the disciple to learn
> to control the sensory world instead of being controlled by it. The
> purpose of this is to enable the soul to free itself from the
> treadmill of birth and death and return to its original source - to
> the home of the soul - Sach Kand.
> Alexander J. Markus
There is a great variety in the level
of guruship. In the US the term is
badly abused Almost every guru here
in are teachers who know the books
and can teach wisdom, or yoga, but that
has nothing to do with guruship. A
real guru preferably from a lineage
receives the 'rod' [gaddi] from her/
his guru and they are able, like John
the Baptist connect one to the Divine
It is a very sacred tradition, even
Jesus HAD to be baptised
Since a teenager I am seeking out
gurus and can tell who has the rod and
I dunno how .. here are my gurus
from them I received initiations
among them there are only 2 real guru
From the Eck gurus I met: Darwin was
very powrful and Harold Klemp is not..
MataiJi is also a real guru, she would
be the third one, but she is not at
the level I like it.
> Leaving the Upthread foryes mine too
> those who wish to go back
> and read the centuries old
> traditional teachings of
> some sects of the eastern
> The teaching Karta posted
> speaks of the need for The
> Highest Creative Power,
> The Highest Divine Power
> to bestow role of master,
> teacher, guru.
> Then it goes on to say that
> the student cannot go
> beyond the level of his
> physical, living teacher.
> But ordination does not come
> from another physical teacher,
> nor need it be confirmed by
> another physical teacher.
> It is written on the tablets
> of our hearts. When our heart,
> 4th chakra, pick-your-model,
> opens, when we remember our
> divinity, we merge with God,
> beyond the physical realm.
> An aspirant can recieve
> direct experiential knowledge
> of: our oneness with God, that
> there is nothing that is not
> God, that all is within God,
> an all-pervading, peaceful,
> Loving, illuminating God...
> The guru is a convenience and
> one honor, but only as is my
> own experience.
> The seeker isyes, all kinds of games are at play
> the one served by the master,
> and the only mission of the
> true master is to make another
> It is another form of manipulative,
> exclusive-club "priesthood" to
> say that another person, guru or
in the name of ego
> is our only route to Godno thanks I had the best, but I am
> and that we can go no higher
> than the one who pointed to
> the door.
> We have a direct route.
> Need a guru, do you?
looking for a tennis coach
>John the Baptist wasn't within the same
Consciousness as Christ and he was
needed, but please belive there is a
wast, wast wast differnce between guru
and the next one; like night and day
of course there is a need and a market
for teachers at all levels
BUT THE WORD "GURU" SHOULD NOT
BE USED IN VAIN!!!!!