839Re: Who am I
- Aug 1, 2002First Sandeep shares Sahaja, our natural state, with us. Then, here,
he shows us all that obscures it. He asks us to Realize and just be.
Is there any greater kindness he can share. I think not!
> Hi,goal, on the issue, isn't it?
> Whether a spiritual quest or any quest, the focus is always on the
> The goal of spiritual bliss, of Enlightenment, of awakening, of
>million dollars, a promotion, a new job, any job, seeking a
> The issue of how to resolve the misery of living, get peace of mind
> Seeking the new 4 bedroom house, the third car, maybe a couple of
self-fulfilling relationship, seeking to save/get out of a
relationship, etc, etc.
> Rather than the issue, or the goal, we rarely wonder just who is
that seeks spiritual bliss or Enlightenment or God, or the million
>effectiveness of various means, schools of thought, philosophical
> Just who is it that is in misery?
> Who is it, that is in the quest?
> Who is this "seeker"?
> Who am I?
> The focus always is on the issue or the goal and the debate on the
streams, Guru X, or Y, Master P or Q, etc etc to achieve the issue,
reach the goal.
>mirage-lake in the desert, is it hot or cold?
> Would not this focus, be like wondering whether the water of the
>it seeks in the moment?
> And debating how to measure that temperature ?
> What is the existential reality of this self, which seeks, whatever
>assumed yourself to be?
> What is the existential reality of the identity which you have
> What is it's Truth?
> Who am I?
> Before stepping into that, what is existential Reality?
> What is Truth?
> Existential Reality or Truth would be "that" which needs no
depends on no "other", for it's existence.
>assumed for oneself.
> It stands completed in itself.
> Now let's look at the typical icons of identity which is normally
>manager in a Multinational Company, or I am a speech therapist, I am
> -A name
> -A conglomeration of professional knowledge, skills, etc ( I am
Educationist, I am a wannabe doctor, I am radiologists, I am a Dean
>respected member of the neighborhood society, a citizen of a country
> -A wife, a husband, a son, a father, a mother, a daughter, a
>experiences out of which has evolved the dearly cherished
> -A woman, a man
> -A human being in contrast to an animal or a snail.
> -An entity holding some profound realizations, memories of
convictions, spiritual understandings, a spiritual seeker, a
>will, to do or not to do, to decide between this and that, etc, etc.
> -A human organism, which is alive, with a sense of volition, free
> Are these not the typical icons, with which we paint our
> Look at any of these icons.
> None of them can exist, on it's own.
> A simple visualization will make it evident.
> Imagine yourself as the sole survivor of a global catastrophe.
> Except you, nothing else, nobody else has survived.
> You are wandering about, with nobody else in sight, nothing else in
>Amitava, Neeti, Soniya, Indroneel, have any meaning, any relevance?
> Without an "other", does your name, Chelle, Kathleen, Moushimi,
>whatever business you are involved in, your spiritual work that you
> Without an "other", does your vocational knowledge, your skills in
are engaged in, your Life-values, your religious convictions, have
meaning, any relevance?
>mother, of a daughter, of a respected (or non-respected) member of
> Without an "other", does the assumed identities, of a wife, of a
society, of a son, of a father, of a husband, whatever, do they have
any meaning, any relevance?
>meaning, any relevance?
> Without an "other", does your "femaleness" or "maleness", have any
> How will you define "maleness" without the existing contrast of"femaleness"?
> And vice-versa?conclusions, realizations, satoris, spiritual understandings that you
> Without an "other", does any of the convictions, values,
hold on to, (for they define yourself to you), do any of that, have
any meaning, any relevance?
>organism with free will, have any meaning, any relevance?
> Without an "other", does your conviction about being a human
>survived the global catastrophe?
> Without an "other", how would you even be convinced that you have
>which run you, have they any meaning, any relevance?
> That you are in fact, even "alive"?
> Without an "other", does "life" and "death", these convictions,
> In each of these identities, it cannot stand on it's own.
> It needs a contrasting opposite, an "other" to lend to it, it's
> Ergo, can any of these be the reality of your existence?
> Or define the truth of your existence?
> How do you know that you actually exist?
> Because, you are, right now sitting in front of a PC screen,
these strange signs on the screen, connoting a crazy meaning?
>relate to people, see other people alive, or dying, etc etc?
> That you eat, take a shit in the morning, go to work, make love,
>profound discussions, you are fearful you make love, you do cruel
> All this could be happening in a dream.
> In a dream, you are alive, you eat, you do this or that, you have
acts, you do profound acts.
> And in the dream, while dreaming, you do not know that you are
>sends you a dream-message through the dreamed Internet connection,
> If another dreamed-up character walked upto you in the dream, or
indicating that you are a dreamed-up character, you will laugh, be
upset, not believe, and if your anger is sufficient, maybe even nail
him to a cross, or burn her up.
>break into cold sweat, you cry out, you shout, you laugh, you cry,
> While you are dreaming, it is so real to you, that many a time, you
have wet dreams, all while sound asleep.
>up-character in the dream of a tsetse fly and you will go "pooof",
> Isn't it so?
> So what gives you the firm conviction that you are not a dreamed
when the fly wakes up, from it's 10 second sleep.
>flashed by, in it's minutest details, in a dream time of couple of
> Have you never dreamt where an entire life-time of 89-90 years
> If you have not, know that, such has been a case with many a people.
> You remember a previous waking days, events, experiences, work
work undone etc, etc?
> Continuity is a function of the recording of the memory.
> In that respect the night-sleep--dream has a more powerful effect
memory, than the other way around.
>dream, that it's effect as "moroseness" or "happiness", carried on
> Why do I say that?
> You would have had, at some time in your life, such a powerful
into your waking state, while at work, or while doing your house work.
>sleep-dreaming state, (except may be when you had some bad Lobsters
> But never does your day-waking-functionings gets carried into your
> Continuity is no basis for the existential reality of an identity.
> Centuries back, the Tao Master Chuang Tzu had posed the same
>flower to flower, why is it not possible that it is the butterfly
> If Chuang Tzu can dream, it's become a butterfly flitting from
dreaming that it is Chuang Tzu holding spiritual discourses.
>any quest by this entity?
> So, who are you?
> Ought not, this premise be clearly established before proceeding on
> Yaba Daba Gopeeeee Goooooo
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