7321Re: Truth does the work -- with no before or after
- May 3, 2003--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "satkartar7"
> --- In email@example.com, "dan330033"<dan330033@y...> wrote:
> > As one great teacher said, about those seeking to getKarta -
> > into states and those offering them, "the blind
> > leading the blind."
> > "There are none so blind as those who will not see."
> > "Truth walked among them, but they knew it not."
> > If Truth which is Life chooses you, you will know it
> > immediately -- or if not, one may
> > continue as a self with its images --
> > images of states to be in or out of, anti-gurus,
> > pro-gurus, guru-promoting, guru-bashing,
> > guru-evaluating in the right and wrong ways, and
> > techniques to be in favor of or against.
> > Either Truth is the meditation that is doing you --
> > or you are trying to do meditation to have an
> > experience, to know something, to attain a realization ...
> > The truth is right here, is not a drug or a state,
> > is not something familiar, is not an image to
> > which you have reactions pro or con.
> Come off it pleeeeze Dan!
> you sound like that mutated oki when
> talking about "stastes* etc
> THERE IS NO LIFE WITHOUT BEINFG IN
> A *SATE*
> and some choses to work on refning it
This is exactly why Gautama said "life is suffering"
because of the going in and out of states of being.
And you can work on going into your desired states
all you want -- that is nothing but your suffering.
Gautama taught the end of suffering.
It is the end of the one going in and out of states,
and of the states of which that one goes in and out.
Of course, the one going in and out of states, isn't
going to like this news, and will find all kinds
of ways to ignore and distort this truth if possible,
so as to keep on with the same old investments,
whether dressed in spiritual or material clothes.
> > If Truth works through you, then there is only Truth --medit8ionsociety
> > not anything or anyone apart -- to be promoted, bashed,
> > to get into or out of a state --
> > -- Dan
> > --- In firstname.lastname@example.org,
> > <no_reply@y...> wrote:but
> > > We'll never know for sure because it is possible that there are
> > others
> > > whose followers, or they themselves never have "gone public",
> > theattained
> > > Guru who may have had the greatest number of disciples who
> > > Realization in the 20th Century was Swami Sivananda. He hasleft
> > overnever
> > > 350 books he authored that well demonstrate his first hand
> > experience
> > > and understanding of Enlightenment. But in his own eyes, he
> > sawhim
> > > himself as something special. He would let his followers give
> > > flowers, pranam to him, sing his praises, and so on, as is the(he
> > custom
> > > in India. It was his habit to then go to his very humble room
> > hadwith
> > > no Rolls Royces or Rolex's either), and hit himself on his back
> > > books while berating himself to himself with statementslike "Who do
> > > you think you are? You're just a sack of skin, filled withfeces,
> > > puss, urine, bile, etc" and other similar "beam me back down toglories
> > earth,
> > > Scotty" type statements. Why? Because he felt that all the
> > > that he was showered with might divert him from his aim ofhelping
> > > others. His whole life was one of service to others. He hadbeen a
> > > physician, and never stopped trying to heal the sick of body,mind,
> > > emotions, or spirit. His entire teaching was summed up in thesimple
> > > formula "Be good. Do good." And the things he pointed todirectly as
> > > the greatest things to work on before and after Enlightenmentwere
> > > compassion and humility. I am sharing this now because there isabout
> > such a
> > > tremendous amount of Guru bashing going on at various internet
> > groups
> > > and web sites. What I suggest is that if there is a judgement
> > athey
> > > Guru to be made, it should be made upon the criteria of "Are
> > > compassionate and humble? Are they teaching that and livingthat?",
> > > and of course, the content of the wisdom they share. It shouldnot
> > bedon't
> > > about their looks, what they wear, or even if they have or
> > havethey
> > > Rolls Royces.
> > > And if you do find peace when you meditate about them and what
> > > teach, they may very well be worth continuing to learn from.And if
> > > you meditate about them or what they teach, and it takes yourpeace
> > > away, they are not a Guru for you, and you should not squanderany
> > > more energy on them by trying to tear them down, get revenge,towards
> > feeling
> > > anger over what they do, and so on. Just be compassionate
> > > them, and stop carrying them around by filling your mind withthus
> > thoughts
> > > about them, or letting your body get tense, or your emotions get
> > > riled up. Those type things just feed into your feelings of
> > > self-importance and take away your humility and compassion, and
> > > stop your spiritual evolution in its tracks. Be compassionate toactions
> > > yourself. Don't let others (even if they are Enlightened)
> > > create waves in your inner ocean. And if they say or dosomething
> > thatone
> > > you take personally, take that as an opportunity to experience
> > > humility. You know - the "Turn the other cheek" thing. Oh yeah,
> > > other thing - I'm not advocating beating yourself with books.When
> > youpraise,
> > > see yourself filling up with pride because of some received
> > > it's OK to just smile, accept it, and go on with the quest formore
> > > humility and compassion in gentler ways:-)
> > > Peace and blessings,
> > > Bob
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