7256Re: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Email questions about 3rd Eye and comments during meditation
- Apr 30, 2003
> > Jason: Yes depth, the shallow end of what we wouldJason: OK, I see the conspiracy side of thought as
> > care to experience. Moving, powerful &
> > As to say this is heaven or hell, either being
> > states of good or badness.
> No, not my meaning. With deep meditation at least
> in my case,
> thoughts slow and very few ideas are presented. The
> recurring one
> was will I be posessed, i.e., is the idea of
> meditation a misleading
> conspiracy to get people to submit to a loss of
> control of themselves.
> I found that idea to be wrong but only after I was
> 'at the end of my
though to say something is being done to you. i.e.
another putting the thought in your head that
meditation is lovely, only to find out that it's a way
for another to control you (a demon, let's say).
Although, I do still question the control side, as to
say you are doing something to yourself or for
yourself. In the case of meditation, is the act of
meditation giving you something (either positive or
negative)? As to say does the peace you feel during
deep meditation give rise to a good feeling (not
thoughts in words, just feeling) Let's not address the
in between thought for now, as to say neti, neti.
> >Jason: What is ment here is, is sitting and waiting to
> > > It seemed like if I went any further I would
> > > control. I told
> > > myself i was willing to die but I had to know if
> > > had wasted my time
> > > and had never really been willing to face my
> > Jason: yes I understand this practice. On what one
> > would call a control issue, wouldn't someone with
> > serious intent to kill, holding a gun to anothers
> > be quite the same practice? Would you say there is
> > better sense of control when one does this on
> > own?
> could you go into this a little more? I dont
> understand your meaning.
> I actually sat down and waited to die.
die something other then have someone force your
eminent death apon you. Does this waiting to die seem
to give you the control as opposed to another taking
your life? If, so... Does this thought that you
control the outcome give you benift?
I have succumb to my own death in both situations, so
for me neither feel different, nor does there seem to
be a benifit or non-benifit to this illusion of an
> >Jason: The affirmation, that one will not back-off
> > > I practiced a
> > > small affirmation that when the time came I
> > > not back off
> > > again. So I was graced with Samadhi.
> > Jason: hmm, ponderous.
> I have done this a lot, get prepared for thoughts
> that I expect to
> return. You seem critical? Could you explain
next time. I was thinking about this backing off, this
letting go and again it seems to me a non-choice, nor
does it provide a benifit to partake in such a
Such to say that you can do everything imaginable to
remove the fear that you don't know whats around the
corner. There still remains enough suprises around the
corner to keep taht fear in check.
Much like going around the block to meet your
neighbors, you never know if you will be welcomed or
not. So there is a sense that you may not be, even if
you've been around the block a million times. There is
still enough unwelcoming to keep it interesting.
> >Jason: I understand. Although it is most certain to me
> > > The fears were of the unknown. Like a child
> > > does not know
> > > monsters of the supernatural kind do not exist
> > > because they have not
> > > lived enough to know, I had to learn to be
> > > It seems silly now
> > > but the fear was like a wisp of smoke and I have
> > > seen it since.
> > >
> > > The question of negative or positive has to
> > > in context to an
> > > event and not as one of the rules in an
> > > universe that we
> > > must somehow find. In that sense, thoughts
> > > meditation are bad.
> > Jason: I see, some thoughts outloud we share,
> > you! Fear of the unknown, the demon of all
> > perhaps?
> I don't see goodness as an entity and as I explained
> I gave up the
> possibility of the demon.
that people don't care for each other (or for things),
not in the least, until a moment arises when the other
can do something to benifit them, then they care
deeply. What really could be exposed is this knowing
of oneself and of others, this may aid in the fight
against the demons of understanding motivations and
interplay in any relational experience. Even though
people walk around saying things like "she/he loves me
for me" or "he/she doesn't care", the bottom line is
that they don't care until they do. Who am I? A
selfish person, until those that benifit me are
clearly understood, regardless of any past or future
interplay. Death seems beyond a sense of self and is
also prior to any senses. Nothing begins nor does it
end, so I guess this is the end of another begining:)
> > Peace and Love__________________________________
> Bobby G.
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