5641Re: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Any relevance here? Jeff
- Apr 1, 2003--- Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
> Dan -J: Still enjoying assumptions, eh? I'm assuming your
> I'm assuming that you were not opposed
> to having this posted and I therefore
> consider if appropriate to respond to
> your comments, on this site...
enjoying my inappropriateness.
> --- In email@example.com,J: Personally I see me, like my feathers?
> "judirhodes" <
> judirhodes@z...> wrote:
> > No, does this have any relevance - a repost from
> the ranch list -
> > from Dan -
> > Not to mention the happy meditators who
> > have to make sure you understand how realized
> and in bliss
> > they are, how deep from the silence they are
> > speaking, how really truly real is their
> realization --
> > Just so you know that it's just like Ramana
> > and how amazing it is to realize that it's
> > just like he said -- and if you don't get that,
> > you are going to get the subtle love darts
> > intended to bring you down some notches -- every
> What you see as ego-centered peacocking,
> happy meditators see as offering of a lively hope,J: I'm not only on the road, I am the road. I don't
> and our purpose is to serve as witnesses to the
> beautiful truth that the past and present awakened,
> enlightened and realized teachers offer, as
> encouragement to those "on the road".
only have hope, I am the hope. I hope to serve you
better right now.
> The "love darts" are provoked by theJ: I accuse myself of fraud, I'm so fraudulent that
> attributions that you, Judi and Jason post about
> many of us happy meditators: accusations of fraud,
> delusion, deceit and the litany of negativity
> that comes from little or no direct contact with
> those at whom you fire your own darts.
I've deluded myself so long to believing I was. I keep
throwing these dart and OUCH!
> It seems to me that you have no understanding ofJ: Thats the key, I suppose. I do understand what
> motivates a happy meditator. The return darts are
> intended to counter false accusations and
> that seem to me to be attempts to undermine the
> veracity and purpose of the happy meditators'
> and which potentially discourage those who seek
> to find ways past the stress and discouragement
> in their lives. Happy meditators offer reports
> of rewards they found on the road they traveled.
> And that is what we defend.
motivates the happy motivator, you just don't care for
it. Thats ok neither do I.
> > Confronting people about self-satisfaction andJ: Yes, self-satisfaction thats it! Here have the
> > smug bullshit is a losing proposition -- they
> > will keep on with what keeps them feeling good
> > about themselves, and stick it to ya in return
> > every time.
> What you see as self-satisfaction and smug bullshit,
> happy meditators see as gratitude and an eagerness
> to share the bounty of the treasure they have found
> with all who ask about it.
treasure, it's to heavy for me to carry.
> >J: I'm threatened by that! I think. Here have some
> > It's remarkable how the same ploy gets played
> > and again and again ...
> > That's all selves are is these ploys, so that's
> the last thing
> > anyone is going to look into.
> > The spiritual ploys somehow seem the worst of all,
> > bad as all the other ploys can be. There is
> > particularly nasty, vicious, and self-serving
> > the spiritualized self-ploys. I think it's
> > all the knives have to be covered up with lots
> > of gooey love and wisdom.
> What you see as nasty, vicious and self-serving,
> meditators see as selfness, loving, kind and caring
> to other people. Love and wisdom are not derisive or
> threatening terms
> to happy meditators.
Love and Wisdom, thats to heavy too.
> >J: Yes, I'm happy you see ALL that way too!
> > A favorite seems to be:
> > It's fine with me to lose my self as long as I
> > tell everyone how deep from silence I'm
> speaking, or
> > the amazing love bliss I now have, and we get
> > to smugly congratulate and reinforce one another
> > and so on.
> What you see as self-aggrandizement, happy
> see as witnessing to the reality of a way of escape
> stress and confusion, which they speak to from
> knowledge. What you see as smug congratulations,
> meditators see as positive and faith-building
> The view is toward those seeking a way out. To tell
> they are already out leaves the vast majority in
> when what they hear from the advaita view is "this
> is all
> there is, live with it." Happy meditators offer real
> efforts that precede grace.
> > But to look into that "act" and see that it's justJ: I am passed all my suffering, since I am suffering
> > another version of self -- that would be to
> > a real loss ...
> > And that's the last thing any of these
> > realizers living in contentment and bliss want
> > The claim of a loss that made me a special
> > living deep in silent bliss love
> > is so much easier to deal with,
> > and then I get to keep the suffering and call
> > it blissful silence ... what could be better?
> What you see as us happy meditators feeling like we
> are "special realizers", is us happy meditators
> jumping for joy for us anything-but-special people
> having received a beautiful gift that ends the
> suffering - mountains of suffering made into mole
> hills, dust in the wind.
> Suffering succotash! Is that all you eat? Don't you
> ever have a gooey dessert and get past all your
> All the love,
right now. I'm passed all my happiness, since I'm
happy right now. The rest they say, is you, me and
history make three.
Peace and Love
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