5455Re: Question from email
- Mar 28, 2003
> > Is this not the crux of the problem?G: the mind chatter and the mentations can and do for the most
> > ... The whole problem of "psychological suffering",
> > and this sense of "self" - the me and the mine?
part hold suffering in place.... it holds the ego me idea in
> > Apparently, one is identified with, and attached to, this"chatter".
> > It is this who I REALLY believe myself to be?so. ... And I think it MUST continue if I am to survive!
> > The one I defend, and the one I assert - the one that suffers
> > Though "conceptually" I say it must end.G: this is exactly it .... it is sustaining *who* you believe
yourself to be .... this is why self enquiry is used or Neti Neti is
done .... you look at what you are not .... if you go into it deep
enough these bonds will break ....
the mantra Om is also good to use along the way when
mind chatter rises .... eventually it will still ....
> > And it seems that ANY effort I make to be rid of it, onlysustains it, makes it stronger, because effort itself only makes
for more chatter - the chatter that is reacting to the existing
G: you cannot suppress the mind ... then it once again simply
errupts with more chatter.... it takes time and being relaxed
enough to allow it to drop.... when the illusions are broken
through they will not rise again... bondage will be at an end....
> > Yet Awareness does not chatter. It is simply Aware. It makesno effort to be or not to be. There is no "psychological conflict" in
> > simply being Aware, is there?G: no .... Awareness is as it is.... some confuse intense
concentration and focus though with being aware.... when the
mentation quiets and relaxed seeing happens then Awareness
is ..... it is not an effort it is effort-less.......
> > ... In Pure Awareness there is no "inward psychologicalentity",
> > Is there?G: there is no thought to looking for an entity ... there is no
mind chatter that remains to establish and hold in place an
entity.... in the Now of Pure Awareness there is only the
moment - without "I" witnessing the moment in a delayed loop of
> > Is it possible for one be Aware without ANY "internaldialogue", with
> > no sense of "self"?G: yes ..... it is possible ....
> > ... Possibly, for a moment, but can it be sustainedindefinitely???
G: there is nothing to sustain ... there remains a natural Being
that does not need to sustain anything ... it simply IS....
whatever is seen is as it IS .... no second guessing .... no
need to put it into relationship with something else.... no mental
ping pong games of needing to feel it out.... or sustain ... or run
from .... it simply IS....
>Awareness that can
> > And what is the nature of this Pure Awareness, the
> > see and understand immediately, the Awareness that is freeand independent of all "self-talk" - which is NOT at all the
product of this chattering self with all of it misery,
> > ... And I wonder how far does this Awareness it go,G: why must it do anything ? what does is the self ...
> > And what does it do?
mind does ..... Awareness is simply that Aware.... what needs
to be known? the need to know and figure out the relative
relationship drops for simply Being in the moment as it unfolds
.... no second guessing ... no searching .... The nature of
Awareness is Satvik or (neutral and in harmony) ... mind and
self have been surrendered ...
> > Will simply being aware of the breath still this continuous"internal dialogue" - its persistence, and end this sense of being
a factual entity - "the self"?
G: it is a start along the way.... you have to begin somewhere...
the Om is also quite good..... but full attention must be on
the om ... otherwise it is simply another cocophany of
> > So I go from simply being aware of the breath, to"witnessing", to "self-inquiry", and back to Awareness,
sometimes even gently
> > touching that dimension of "Silent Awareness",end?
> > ... And yet, still, the incessant chatter continues, like a leaky
> > facet, taking me hither and thither, and I wonder will it ever
G: perhaps you are attempting to do all these things to fast.....
start with one ..... let it get established and then move onto the
next...... rome wasn't built in a day ... have patience and pull it
apart brick by brick if needed...... as in all things you plant a
seed and it needs time to grow and produce fruit ... if plucked to
soon you only have wasted the efforts on sourness..... let it
ripen and when ready it will fall from the tree ... the sweetness
will then be known .....
shanti om ...g... wonderful questions
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