18154Re: Meditation and Non-Duality
- Feb 10, 2012Yo,
Thanks for the glimpse of Reality Dan.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "dan330033" <dan330033@...> wrote:
> --- In email@example.com, medit8ionsociety <no_reply@> wrote:
> > It is fashionable by so-called Realized Ones
> > to say that there is nothing to do, and no effort
> > you can make to gain the state of Enlightenment/Cosmic Consciousness/Realization, etc. (whatever you
> > want to call "IT"), because that already is the
> > reality. It is just a matter of experience and
> > realizing the Truth. And this comes about unbidden
> > and unprecedented by any cause and effect. But yet
> > there is a multi-thousand year old tradition that
> > says that meditation is a valuable tool and has
> > preceded their Enlightenment by virtually every
> > Realized One. So, if there is nothing to do and
> > no effort necessary, what's the deal with this?
> D: Good point, Bob. So, here's a response to "what's the deal with this?"
> The deal is that there is a gulf of a trillion miles between saying the words/having the idea - and the actuality of what it is to *be* this "doing-nothing Reality" ...
> Saying the words, "Realization is doing nothing" is doing something.
> Believing the words, is doing something.
> Any believing or speaking is a doing.
> To say, "one is doing nothing" is misunderstood, because the words are taken for the actuality - and a person believes something has been understood and some kind of realization took place.
> To actually "BE - doing nothing" is beyond categories - including categories like being/not being - or doing/not doing.
> Having a reference to any category is a doing.
> By "doing" is meant: any sense of a doer, a haver, a knower, an existence for one who does, who has, who knows ...
> So, this is easily misinterpreted in a personal way: Joe Blow realized that there is no do-er. But to have any sensation, feeling, knowledge of being Joe Blow realizing something - is a doing.
> Thus, Buddha said, "this is nirvana" (i.e., a candle flame is snuffed)
> Seeing this - there is nothing "wrong" about any perceived action - including meditating, praying, chanting, singing, playing music, painting, making knives, teaching, speaking, swimming.
> All actions are perceived.
> There is no separately existing perceiver of it.
> So, meditating isn't to get you to a special state - because any special state would be a transitory perceiving, not inclusive of all perceiving.
> Meditating is an action perceived as it occurs.
> There isn't any action being perceived anywhere, that isn't to happen exactly at that apparent moment of time/space.
> Meditation is defined in different ways.
> One way to define it: being present. nothing to say or do. no separately existing perceiver. noticing what is, in simple being. for example, noticing breathing as it occurs - choicelessly. not by trying to have a special experience of what it's like to notice breathing.
> This awareness is present whether meditating, or non-meditating.
> Realization that is this *being aware*, regardless of what activity occurs, is called by some Tibetans: non-meditation. Yet, they include meditation as a key art in their way of expressing liberation. And they include painting, and drama, and chanting, and music.
> A well-rounded way of expressing - although the Chinese didn't seem to see it like that ...
> I added nothing new below - although I enjoyed the way you answered the question you posed at the end.
> - Dan
> > The Witness factor
> > Reality can only take place NOW, so any event
> > that doesn't take place in the now can be excluded
> > in any discussion about reality. As an example,
> > most people spend about 99% of their mental time
> > fantasizing about the future or rehashing the past,
> > so all of these thoughts have nothing to do with
> > reality. Similarly, because of how we are wired
> > neurologically, all sense data we receive is always
> > late in arriving, and thus can't be relied on to
> > give us a true picture of the now/reality. For
> > instance, as you read these words, the image of
> > the words that are on the page take time to reach
> > your eye, and then the image is sent along your
> > vision nerve path and transmitted to various parts
> > of your brain where their significance is received,
> > analyzed as to relevance, and stored. This takes
> > time, and just as when we see stars in the sky and
> > are told that their light has taken many years to
> > reach us, all visual images have also taken time,
> > and what we see is actually what has past, and not
> > what is. This is also the same for what we hear,
> > taste, smell, and touch. Similarly, our emotions
> > and thoughts are merely reactive messages from the past.
> > There is only one constant thing that has always
> > been operating in the present for our entire life,
> > and it is still available to us now. When we were
> > babies, we would and could look out at the world
> > without the comparisons, judgments and commentary
> > that we now do. The "tool" we used is our inner
> > Witness. And the potential to use it is ever available.
> > But this option has been buried under uncountable
> > physical, emotional, and mental habitual reactivity
> > patterns. This Witness is what can observe our physical,
> > emotional, and mental activity at any time.
> > Here's a little exercise that demonstrates first
> > hand what we are discussing .. Which nostril is
> > inhaling more air right now? There is no answer
> > per se, and it isn't a matter of right or left.
> > What we want to recognize is the "thing" that can
> > see the distinction. This is your inner Witness.
> > It can also see what you are feeling emotionally
> > in this now. What are you feeling? Now be in contact
> > with your inner Witness and for a moment watch what
> > thoughts are flowing by. See?! There is nothing
> > closer to you than THIS. But how often are you in
> > touch with IT? Well, here's where meditation comes into IT.
> > Meditation and Witnessing
> > There is nothing better than meditation for placing
> > you in the Witness position, and this is where you
> > must be to experience your life as it takes place
> > in a real way. When there, the world is known as
> > a non-dual experience, and when not in the "living
> > life as it takes place now Witness posture", life
> > and reality always appear as dualistic. Here's how IT works .
> > Part of the process of Meditation involves concentration.
> > This is done by intently and intensely placing all of
> > one's attention on one focal point. There may then
> > be some distractions, but the meditator simply goes
> > back to refocusing their attention on the object of
> > meditation (which could be the breath, the environment,
> > a word or phrase said repeatedly, a visual item
> > whatever). And at some point the concentration is so
> > complete that distractions cease, all effort stops,
> > and meditation simply and effortlessly comes to the
> > practitioner. Here the underlying reality of unity
> > that is the nature of all and everything is presented
> > in the present, as the greatest of all presents,
> > to the meditator. And life as it is becomes an experience
> > and not just a concept. The illusionary separation
> > of "me and the rest of the universe" fades away much
> > like what happens when we go to the theater and a
> > movie ends and `real life' begins again. And knowledge
> > of the truth that our inner Witness is in fact the
> > Witness of all creation is known experientially.
> > To some, this may involve being thrust outside of the
> > limits of the mind and senses and the visual, tactile,
> > sonic, intellectual, and so on, fields open to the
> > reality of our eternal atomic and pre-atomic nature,
> > as well as to our transcendent of the physical body,
> > Earth, solar system, galactic, universal and
> > trans-universal connectivity. And realization that
> > there is and always has been an infinite consciousness
> > peering through our, and everyone and everything's,
> > figurative eyes witnessing all of creation eternally
> > as singular, non-dual, and characterized as Love,
> > Truth, Consciousness and Bliss.
> > But is this, or any other experience that can be
> > described in words necessarily a part of the non-dual
> > event? No! As that famous idiom of Biblical sounding
> > mere words puts it "To each his own." is the actual case.
> > Meditation as a Way
> > There cannot be any antecedent for what has always
> > been, is, and will always be. So in fact neither
> > meditation, prayer, service, good deeds, nor any
> > other actions can be labeled as a point A that will
> > lead you to point B, which in this case we can label
> > Enlightenment inclusive of a non-dual experiential
> > nature. But there is much anecdotal evidence (yes,
> > this is fantasy in a sense, as well as anything and
> > any concept is) that the vast majority of Realized
> > One's have been meditators at some point in their life,
> > and it can be surmised that in a way this did prepare
> > them in a way much like what a farmer does when they
> > plant a crop. It removed the weeds and other impurities,
> > and prepared the soil to give the seeds the best chance
> > possible for the miracle of life and growth to occur.
> > But, as it is with farming, the eventual birth and
> > growth of sweet fruit can only take place by Grace.
> > So, should we Meditate or not relative to non-duality?
> > Yes.
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