18013Re: [Meditation Society of America] Re: A Most Unusual Deathbed Scene
- Nov 4, 2011Aideen,my post had nothing to do with childhood trauma, it was because my mail box was blowing up with what was turning out to be a very tedious conversation.
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Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: A Most Unusual Deathbed Scene"Aideen Mckenna" <aideenmck@...> wrote:
>"we practice meditation in order to see ourselves
> I wonder if Sean had a childhood like mine - if anyone in my family
> expressed a point of view that differed from that of other family members,
> there ensued screaming & yelling & maybe a broken dish or two. So, all
> these years later, I tend to feel a lot of anxiety when 2 people disagree.
> Especially if I feel some fondness for the people & can more or less see
> both points of view. I just want them to stop fighting. So it was a real
> shock to see that these 2 people actually regarded their disagreement as
> It seems to take an awfully long time to overcome early conditioning.
as we truly are and life as it truly is. when we
are suffering, we can look inside to find the
cause - always some form of clinging. by noticing
how quickly we attach to new ideas and perspectives,
we can begin to unlearn the habit. one trick is
to watch for moments when we feel the need to
defend ourselves or our point of view. defensiveness
is always a red flag; it shows that we have once
again become stuck in a point of view. we are
pretending to be solid, and we want everyone else
to go along with it. with a little honesty and
effort, we can determine where we are stuck and
then choose to let go. gradually we become more
flexible, finding it easier to let go of our
perspectives. we take this 'me' less seriously,
appreciating instead our dynamic and unfixed true nature.
with practice, we begin to see the world from the
perspective of BIG MIND, which can see all perspectives
but clings to none. we learn that it is possible
to return to the view of BIG MIND whenever we've
become stuck. it's easiest to assume that we're
stuck somewhere; we only have to figure out where
and then let go. liberation from the self is living
each day without a place to stand or ideas about
who we are. that's when we can dance with life."
Genpo Roshi, the path of the human being
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> Sent: November-02-11 6:47 PM
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: A Most Unusual Deathbed Scene
> It's like deja vu all over again. Or worse!! Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence!
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> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com> , "dan330033"
> <dan330033@> wrote:
> > --- In firstname.lastname@example.org
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com> , "walto" <calhorn@>
> > >
> > > I'm going to honor Sean's request and not get into a tit-for-tat with
> you. These arguments are pointless and unbecoming, so I'm afraid you'll have
> to get a room with somebody else.
> > D: Hi Walto -
> > I wasn't aware we were arguing - to me it felt like expressing ideas for
> the enjoyment of it. There's no such thing as being "right" via words, in
> some kind of final way - I'm not looking for that.
> > Discussing is fun - particularly if both discussants are enjoying
> themselves. Yes, I said "both" ... <s>
> > I don't need to get a room - I already have a room with a view ... <s>
> > > I'll conclude my bit by saying here that I disagree with most of your
> last post and add that if you weren't (as I fear) just making glib remarks
> and are sincerely interested in the stuff you asked about with respect to
> the nature of the self, I recommend you pick up Derek Parfit's first book.
> > D: I am speaking from direct awareness/experience, not from someone's
> book, not to be glib, and not to pass on ideas I got from someone else. It's
> just how it makes sense to me, to express myself. As I said, for the
> enjoyment of it. Seems natural as a human being to express through words.
> Something about words being translated into ideas, and going back and forth
> through cyberspace, is appealing - not sure why.
> > - Dan
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