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17987[Meditation Society of America] Re: On Death and Dying / Nisargadatta

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  • medit8ionsociety
    Oct 31, 2011
      Sean <bethjams9@...> wrote:
      > Bob, The top quotes soind more like apathy than they do like compasion. At least to my westerrn ears, PS Guus loges the knife!!

      Yo Sean,

      Glad and not surprized that Gus likes the knife.
      It's the kind of gift a father gives to a son that
      whenever after he uses it, causes the son
      (or daughter!) to re-bond with his/her feelings
      of appreciation of having such a great dad.

      It didn't occur to me to see the quotes in a way
      that pointed to apathy, but I can see that posibility now.
      Pretty sure that's 180 degrees from where Nisargadatta
      was actually coming from. All of the statements seem
      true and right on to me, and valuable as they sure
      aren't what we usually hear commented about pertaining
      to death. Much more honest and worth meditating on
      than the all too usual fairy tale quality or total
      silence that are the usual "Western" discussions
      about death. Rereading them, one special thing that
      struck me was the part about not rejoicing at
      the birth of a child. I remember when my newest
      grandchild was born, how different me and Bette's
      reaction was than the baby's paternal grandmother's.
      For us, it was our 5th G-kid, and for her, her 17th.
      She was much more Niz-like in her reaction than we were.
      And I'm not saying that was good or bad, or better
      or worse, in any way (than how elated we were). Just
      sayin! Even being apathetic about birth or death
      may be a much better game plan than fearing either.
      But it probably isn't anywhere near as much fun as
      being unafraid and happy in any and every given moment.

      Peace and blessings,

      medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
      > >"dan330033" <dan330033@> wrote:
      > >>
      > >> I do not look at death as a calamity, as I do not rejoice at the birth of a child. The child is out for trouble, while the dead is out of it. Attachment to life is attachment to sorrow. We love what gives pain. Such is our nature.
      > >>
      > >> ...
      > >>
      > >> In some cases death is the best cure. A life may be worse than death, which is but rarely an unpleasant experience, whatever the appearances.
      > >>
      > >> ...
      > >>
      > >> The more you know yourself, the less you are afraid of dying. Of course, the agony of dying is never pleasant to look at, but the dying man is rarely conscious.
      > >>
      > >> ....
      > >>
      > >> One who believes himself as having been born is very much afraid of death. On the other hand, to him who knows himself truly, death is a happy event.
      > >>
      > >> Nisargadatta, in "I Am That"
      > >>
      > >
      > >Yo Sri Danji,
      > >Thanks! I appreciate these quotes and virtually
      > >everything Niz ever shared. As humility and
      > >compassion are what I think are the 2 greatest
      > >evolution of consciousness stimulating things,
      > >the perspective pointed to in the story below is of
      > >value in trying to know about death (and more importantly
      > >this event we call "Life", as it takes place):
      > >
      > >When John Daido Loori was a monk at the Los Angeles
      > >Zen Center, he remarked one day to Maezumi Roshi:
      > >"I have resolved the question of life and death."
      > >
      > >"Are you sure?" Maezumi asked.
      > >
      > >"Yes,"replied Loori.
      > >
      > >"Are you really sure?:
      > >
      > >Absolutely," Loori answered.
      > >
      > >With that, Maezumi threw himself violently upon
      > >Loori and began to strangle him. Gasping for breath,
      > >Loori struggled to escape, but to no avail. Finally he
      > >swung back his fist and struck his teacher, knocking him aside.
      > >
      > >Maezumi rose to his feet and brushed himself off.
      > >"Resolved the question of life and death, eh?" he
      > >laughed, and walked off.
      > >
      > >Later, still bearing the marks of his teacher's fingers
      > >on his throat, Loori passed a senior monk, Genpo Sensei.
      > >
      > >On seeing the bruises, Genpo did a double take.
      > >"Told Roshi you'd resolved the question of life
      > >and death, did you?" he said and strode away laughing.
      > >
      > >By Sean Murphy from One Bird, One Stone: 108 American Zen Stories published by Renaissance Books.
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