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  • sean tremblay
    Jul 5, 2010
        First thing, I would state is that I believe that compassion is a natural state for the human "Being"  anyone who has kids or can remember there early childhood knows this from observation.  There is a reason for this, we are a communal animal that relies on one another for survival.  We are not a solitary creature.  Bonds formed by love and compassion are completely necessary.  The lack of compassion is the result of internalizing external forces.
        Second thing, war Democracy/Allah as stated below.  I have to speak on this having been a soldier and a combat veteran.  It is not that simple. Islam is not a state it is a religion and like every religion there are a thousand ways of practicing that religion.  Democracy is not a state it is a philosophy of governance and economics.  Which can again manifest itself in a number of ways.  As a soldier from a democratic state, I can firmly say that "Obliteration" and "Genocide" has NEVER been a part of my mission statement, never been a part of my objective nor have I acted as a representative to any organization that authorizes or approves or even desires "Genocide" and "Obliteration".  Lets look at what the forces of Democracy are doing in Afghanistan.  After a coup the King was taken out of power and a "Republic was established by his cousin, this republic was challenged and defeated within two years by Communists based in Kabul.  Communism was challenged by tribal leaders and traditionalists mostly from the Rural Pashtun populations.  In a nut shell the country a once popular tourist destination and suppler of wheat for all of Asia descended into chaos.  The Russians intervened on behalf of the Communist regime. As we all know in a very heavy handed way, they deliberastly attacked the food supply, they mined the crap out of the country side and destroyed a nation.  When the Russians pulled out the country was left in chaos, War lords battled for control and the people suffered.  In walked the Taliban from Pakistan, they brought order from chaos through fear, public execution, and violence.
      Currently the Afghan government and the Afghan constitution was written by and is run by Afghans.  They have chosen an "Islamic Republic" we have made no effort to push an American style democracy.  Also the goals of the Taliban and the other terrorist groups differ.  Al Queda wants a pan Islamic Caliphate with the head I'm sure being in Saudi Arabia, the Taliban wants control of Afghanistan, Religion is a motivator.  Currently the Taliban rule in areas where the Police, and other authorities don't have a strong presence.  And again they rule through fear, murder and intimidation, so I ask is it NOT compassionate to intervene on behalf of the people who suffer.  I have gone over every act of violence I was part of in Afghanistan every day   anylizing my actions.  I know that the safety and well being of the people I was charged to protect was first and foremost in my mind and that was the consideration I took on every action, I never dehumanized my enemy, so when it came to engage them and drive them out it was in knowing that by stopping them, I might save the lives of many, girls might go to school and not fear acid thrown in there faces, farmers will be able to feed there families, Men will not be murdered and women not be beaten.   I didnt do it for democracy, I did it for the Afghans!
      If that is not compassion I don't know what is, and I don't care

      --- On Sun, 7/4/10, medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

      From: medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
      Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Compassion
      To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Sunday, July 4, 2010, 9:16 PM

       

      I just want to remind our members that there is
      much more of this enlightening wisdom available here:
      http://www.the-covenant.net/
      Enjoy!

      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sandeep chatterjee <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
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      > U.G. Krishnamurti: That is your projection; they are callous, indifferent,
      > unconcerned. 'Compassion' is one of the gimmicks of the 'holy business', sales
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      > UG would not have know compassion even if it reared up and bit his natural ass.
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      > The typical connotation of the term "compassion" is someone being
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      > Whether the natural state or the unnatural state(there being really no such
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      > ..there are no entities involved ........where...... as a nuance of existing....
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      > ..... the flavour is of compassion, empathy, enmity or indifference.
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      > That is to say............it is not that when some esoteric exalted state of
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      > Non-entitification, non-separation, is the case, whether in the particular
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      > ... a sage (as held by the audience to be a sage) speaks to a seeker....
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      > .....or two warring nations threaten to obliterate the other .....in the name
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      > of democracy or in the name of Allah.
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      > Whether it is seen to be acts of compassion or genocide......
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      > .....it is always the Duet of One.
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      > In this Duet of One.........compassion or empathy...........is akin the rushing
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      > of the hand to cup the bleeding toe and ease the pain, when the toe got
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      > The compassionate hand does not see itself separate to the bleeding/painful
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      > Nor does it see itself as the same.
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      > The ideation of separation or the ideation of non-separation......
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      > .....both are meaningless, irrelevant in the immediacy of the actioning.
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      > Even the term "immediacy" is misleading for it suggests that there
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      > The deliberation is immediate, the pondering is immediate, the reflection is
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      > immediate and the physical actualization of all these immediate
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      > mentations......into an action or series of actions (if at all).......is also
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      > When there is nothing which is not immediate........the term immediacy becomes
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      > That is why the apperception of Advaita is the immediate primordial mirth at
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