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  • sean tremblay
    Feb 15, 2010
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      It seems to me that some views on "non duality" seem to promote a sense of apathy in some, and apathy to my understanding is the opposite of compassion.  Ive traveled Asia far and wide and the one thing that stands out in my mind is the acceptance of human suffering a sort of shoulder shrug Ohhh well!  sorry that shit don't fly with this guy!  It is impossible for me to step past a fellow person in pain and do nothing!  I can't even walk past a homeless guy without digging through my pockets, it does not matter to me on bit how he ended up where he is in life, his Karma his thoughts or actions mental illness drug addiction I don't care suffering is suffering! wheeeew! glad I got that off my chest!
      Also in terms of charity I'm reminded of a quote from JC. about prayer and charity "don't pray like the hypocrites do" and it goes on about giving in secret so that one hand does not know what the other hand id doing, blah blah blah you can look it up.
      Sorry guys I realize this is not my personal sounding board but my hound dog is getting tired of hearing my ranting and so are my kids!
      Take care
      Sean

      --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Papajeff <jeff@...> wrote:

      From: Papajeff <jeff@...>
      Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Effortless Effort
      To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 8:11 AM

       

      Hi Sean,

      Hope you don't mind me
      jumping in here..

      I agree, Sandeep's reply
      was not responsive. He
      used your post as a platform
      for his often repeated
      but incomplete premise.

      Sandeep is making a point
      from his typical ivory
      tower of intellectual
      nonduality that the
      intention, whether well
      or ill is irrelevant,
      because there is no "doer"
      separate from what "Is".

      He fails to cross the
      mid-point from nondual
      realization of the absolute
      to the reintegration of
      relative reality in which
      we live and in which charity
      is "the more excellent way",
      and so uses absolute language
      as in a posture of enlightened
      wisdom, using what he considers
      impenetrable nondual 'logic'.

      If you re-read the original
      thread of Effortless Effort
      that Bob posted, you will
      see reference to this.

      How you doin'?

      Jeff

      --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay <bethjams9@. ..> wrote:
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      > I don't recall asking anything about genocide!
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      > --- On Sun, 2/14/10, sandeep chatterjee <sandeep1960@ ...> wrote:
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      > From: sandeep chatterjee <sandeep1960@ ...>
      > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Effortless Effort
      > To: meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com
      > Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 9:57 PM
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      > > A question about charity
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      > > Do we do it because some people need help or do we give because of it benefits us directly.  I think intention counts for something.
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      > Charity, as an action or a series of actions, whether in the domain of physicality or mentation... .....gets done, if it gets done........ . precisely in the way, manner, form, shape, content..... ..it gets done.
      > That doing, which thought labels as "charity"... ..or "genocide".. ......is never an isolated event.The happening of the event(s) whether labeled as "charity" or "genocide"
      > ......is an un-differentiated non-separated expression of the seamless totality....
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      > ... in that very moment of the eventing.
      > Yes, the occurrence (without the connotation of a discrete  individuated happening) getting labeled as  "charity" or "genocide" is
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      > The quest for the answer for the purpose, needs the bedrock assumption of separated, individuated volition.One cannot exist without the other.
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