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16873Re: [Meditation Society of America] Article About Life After Death

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  • medit8ionsociety
    Nov 25, 2009
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      WestWindWood <westwindwood2003@...> wrote:

      >The "Mary Problem" of course can be a
      metaphor as to a person who studies meditation,
      but has not had an enlightenment experience.
      Mary could choose to believe that color
      does not exist and be a color
      atheist; after all that could be the logical
      conclusion if she wants to go by her own experience,
      or she could be a color agnostic. The experience of
      enlightenment is so indescribable that the Buddhist
      position is that you may as well be an atheist
      so that you have no preconceived
      notion.  As it is, the beginners mind,
      the first experience, might not even be
      recognized as enlightenment and the
      opportunity of pursuit lost because the
      importance of the experience is not
      understood. This is one of the reasons
      why a teacher is necessary.Maybe though, if
      Mary had a prism to separate colors from
      white light, that would be sufficient to
      convince her and cause her to find some
      way out of her limited experience in the
      black and white room. Maybe a glimpse is sufficient.
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      >>And a question arises: "How to" have a glimpse
      and/or "experience enlightenment"? Perhaps a teacher
      can help, perhaps this or that, but I think
      for sure that Meditation prepares the soil
      for the fruits of wisdom to grow.
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      "The Divine light comes not through open doors,
      but only through narrow slits. The aspirant sees
      the Divine Ray as a sunbeam passing through a
      crack into a dark room. It is like a `flash of
      lightning.' This sudden illumination chokes all
      sounds of words. The aspirant is spell-bound in
      ecstasy and awe. He trembles with love and awe...
      So bright and glorious is the Light environing the
      Divine that the initiate is dazzled and bewildered."

      Swami Sivananada

      > From the Sunday Phila Inquirer:
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      > Mind over matter
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      > In 1986, philosopher Frank Jackson broadened Nagel's
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      > argument into a refutation of all materialist attempts
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      > to explain mental states in purely physical terms.
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      > In what has come to be called the "Mary problem,"
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      > Jackson envisioned a brilliant scientist named Mary
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      > who is locked in a black-and-white room from which
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      > she investigates the world by way of a black-and-white
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      > television monitor. As a specialist in the
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      > neurophysiology of vision, Mary knows everything
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      > there is to know about color. She understands how
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      > different wavelengths of light stimulate the retina,
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      > and how those are channeled to the visual areas
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      > in the brain, resulting in such statements as "The
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      > sky is blue" and "Tomatoes are red."
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      > Now here's Jackson's question: Suppose Mary finally
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      > gets a color TV monitor or is released from her
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      > black-and-white room into the outside world. Will
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      > Mary learn something that she didn't know before?
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      > Jackson says she obviously would. She would for
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      > the first time know what it's like to see the blue
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      > sky or red tomatoes. These experiences would teach
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      > her something about color that all her previous
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      > knowledge could not.
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