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15870Re: [Meditation Society of America] Mambo #5 with God

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  • Jeff Belyea
    Jan 17, 2008
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      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
      <editor@...> wrote:
      >
      > Jeff Belyea wrote:
      > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Morgen
      > > <editor@> wrote:
      > >
      > >> Jeff Belyea wrote:
      > >>
      > >>> In response to Bob and Bruce's
      > >>> response to Era's post about
      > >>> "knowing God"...
      > >>>
      > >>> Here's my "little bit of this,
      > >>> little bit of that" from my dance:
      > >>>
      > >>> >From The Old Testament
      > >>> (repeated in the New One
      > >>> and reference several times
      > >>> as "having come to pass"):
      > >>>
      > >>> "Behold, the days come,
      > >>> saith the LORD, that I
      > >>> will make a a new covenant...
      > >>>
      > >>> I will put my law in their
      > >>> inward parts, and write it in
      > >>> their hearts; ...
      > >>>
      > >>> they shall all know me."
      > >>>
      > >>> So, if the wise say that
      > >>> they know that God is
      > >>> unknowable, they err. And
      > >>> they are wise in their
      > >>> own mind - which is
      > >>> incidently the major block
      > >>> to enlightenment.
      > >>>
      > >>> Enlightenment IS coming
      > >>> into the knowledgable
      > >>> presence of God..
      > >>> as promised.
      > >>>
      > >>> I know God.
      > >>>
      > >>> Formally introduced
      > >>> July 21, many years ago,
      > >>> at about 9:30am.
      > >>>
      > >>> And we continue to
      > >>> stay in touch.
      > >>>
      > >>> Call me ignorant if
      > >>> you must. God knows.
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >> I see you as not "ignorant,"
      > >> but perhaps playing somewhat
      > >> fast and loose with the word
      > >> "knowledge," which essentially
      > >> means "stored information."
      > >>
      > >> As an illustration, can you
      > >> tell me what it is you "know"
      > >> of this "God?"
      > >>
      > >>
      > >
      > > It is the inadequacy of words
      > > to explain the fuller meaning
      > > of "Knowledge" in the context
      > > of my earlier post that makes it
      > > seem as a fast and loose dance.
      > >
      >
      > True.
      >
      > > Knowledge becomes secondary stored
      > > information when it enters
      > > the necessarily dualistic world
      > > of mental reflection and any
      > > attempt at "telling".
      > >
      >
      > True.
      >
      > > God can be Known, but God
      > > cannot be explained in words;
      > > only Known by direct experience...
      > > which, to be redundant, is
      > > beyond words.
      > >
      >
      > Iow, "unknowable" -- and
      > capitalizing that "K"
      > doesn't change that fact.
      >
      > Please consider that
      > fortunate "realized" folks
      > still have the failings of
      > incarnate life to deal with.
      > Religious conditioning is
      > especially problematic and
      > can easily lead to mistaking
      > the ecstatic response of our
      > personal meat puppets to the
      > unknowable (aka "Holy
      > Spirit") with "knowing God"
      > or some such -- our heads
      > are full of old scripture
      > vouchsafing this knowledge
      > to us, so in the aftermoment
      > ego "backfills" the miracle
      > of realization with that
      > stuff and we are quite prone
      > to claiming that we now
      > "know God." It sure sounds
      > good from the pulpit too!
      >
      > > Thanks, Bruce. Always
      > > enjoy your perspective.
      > >
      >
      > Right back atcha, Jeff!
      >
      > > Jeff
      > >
      > Much love -- Bruce
      >

      Interesting syntax -
      ego backfilling vs new
      enlightened understanding
      of scripture. There would
      be more of a case for the
      headroom filled with
      scripture that is used
      by the ego to backfill,
      if the backfilling were
      model specific (the home
      of the fundamentalist),
      but when the knowledge
      with a capital K (a literary
      and graphic design convention,
      I know) reveals a core
      understanding in all
      spiritual traditions
      (the mystical path),
      the case is less
      convincing.

      The meat puppets who
      think morph into meat
      puppets who have a
      pseudo-spiritual experience?

      Cosmic, man.

      I'll take theist language,
      thanks. Sure sounds better
      from the pulpit - especially
      when it comes from the
      mystic heart of Knowledge.

      Thanks,

      Cosmic Man

      PS: Just had flashback
      to the punch and Judy days.
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