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15849Re: Can the truth set you free?

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  • Jeff Belyea
    Jan 9, 2008
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      Great observations. Yes, it may
      be the destiny, but not if the
      universe is cancelled - or humans
      go about to destroy the eco system
      on earth entirely. So, agreed, not
      certain.

      There are 2 classes of Bodhisattva.
      Those who have attained Buddhahood
      (enlightenment by any other name
      is still enlightenment) and yet
      wait at the gate through which
      they have already passed, and
      then come back, for the arrival of
      all sentient beings. The others
      are those who are still seeking
      to overcome the false, and so
      are, in a sense, naive Boddhisattvas.

      Clarity, as in the first category
      of Boddhisattva, leaves no question
      and brings an abiding recognition
      of the false.

      Also agree that many gurus perpetuate
      the false. Gurus are over-promisers
      for the most part. In their enthusiasm
      for the enlightenment they have
      attained - and the sure sense of
      the (potential) destiny of humankind
      to enter the cosmis conscious realm -
      they "promise" to guide the seeker.

      But they can only guide by pointing,
      and cannot teach that which cannot
      be taught.

      Thanks.

      Jeff

      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jvmarco"
      <jvmarco@...> wrote:
      >
      > V:
      > A potential destiny perhaps, but not a certain one. The time-table
      > of the Great Feminine could very well cancel out the universe
      before
      > such a birthing of human beingness occurred, in which case
      humankind
      > would cease to exist.
      >
      > From my observations, all meditation eventually leads to Heart-
      Mind,
      > and from Heart-Mind is uncovered the compassion of the Bodhisattva
      to
      > be dedicated to the liberation from suffering, and the cause of
      > suffering, for all sentient beings. If such a destiny of truth was
      > certain, there would be no Bodhisattvas. In other words, one could
      > say that no Bodhisattva is a guru, if a guru is defined as one who
      > has an enthusiasm for an eventuality that is is uncertain. Of
      > course, an authentic Bodhisattva is not the least bit interested in
      > enlightenment. Their interest is in bringing more light and love
      > into this reality, not enlightenment.
      >
      > One way of bringing more light and love in, is to identify the
      false
      > as the false.
      >
      > Eckhart Tolle said in 'The Power of Now', page 4, "we need to draw
      > our attention to what is false in us, for unless we learn to
      > recognize the false as the false, there can be no lasting
      > transformation, and you will always be drawn back into illusion,
      for
      > that is how the false perpetuates itself" Many guru's actually
      > perpetuate the false.
      >
      >
      > Vicente
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
      > <jeff@> wrote:
      > >
      > > OK, agreed. Yet the consistent
      > > and universal set-you-free
      > > "truth", once known, brings
      > > with it the certain sense that
      > > awakening to truth is the destiny
      > > of humankind.
      > >
      > > Understanding this, even
      > > intellectually, without the
      > > direct experience of enlightenment,
      > > seems to be why many of the nondual
      > > (no separation) mindset feel
      > > that the "gurus", in their
      > > attunement to and enthusiasm
      > > for this eventuality,
      > > over-promise, and that we
      > > should just allow it to play
      > > out...rather than bemoan
      > > the fact that most people
      > > are not ready for it - today.
      > >
      > > As for the timetable,
      > > that's a different story.
      > > It seems that Mother Nature
      > > or Divine Mother moves at a
      > > very different pace than the
      > > impatience of one lifespan.
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jvmarco"
      > > <jvmarco@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Many claim to be dedicated to diverse spiritual realities and
      > personal
      > > > awakening. For most however, the brain, the ego, the pleasure
      > centers,
      > > > etc., do not want you fascinated with the idea of truth or
      waking
      > up.
      > > > Such a burning fascination would bring the demise of the brain,
      > the ego,
      > > > the pleasure centers, etc., as the personal thinking process
      > knows them.
      > > >
      > > > I agree that the truth will set you free, but to have a
      genuine,
      > burning
      > > > fascination with truth is very rare,...most people do not want
      the
      > > > truth, they want useless happiness, and thus its mate, useless
      > > > suffering. The realization of truth will bring the demise of
      > beliefs,
      > > > and the thinking patterns associated with those beliefs.
      > > >
      > > > Today's human community cannot handle the truth,...truth is too
      > profound
      > > > to be consciously included in the lives people seek.
      > > >
      > > > E = mc2 is a partial truth that many accept. Whereas mc2 < c is
      > the
      > > > fuller truth that most refuse to see; a truth in which
      everything
      > (that
      > > > means everything) can be understood through the cognition of
      that
      > simple
      > > > equation. All energy and mass is less than the speed of light.
      > People
      > > > however, cling to the idea of energy and mass as something real,
      > > > something to be worship like the religious superstititions of
      > their
      > > > ancestors. The truth is that energy and mass is not real, nor
      > does it
      > > > exist beyond the dream of separation. Energy is simply the
      motion
      > of
      > > > mass seeking a relationship with its source,...a relationship
      it
      > can
      > > > never have, because the condition of separation cannot merge
      with
      > the
      > > > unconditionality of source. Wholeness is beyond the sum of
      > opposites.
      > > > The sum of opposites is their cancellation.
      > > >
      > > > Every teaching of Buddhism points to the fuller truth of the
      > > > above,...likewise, the Fourth Way philosophy (enneagram) points
      > to the
      > > > above,...and Maya and Bön Cosmology also points to the above.
      Yet
      > > > even the adherents to those philosophies have not gone beyond
      > their
      > > > beliefs to see the truth. Most people, perhaps more than 99% of
      > the
      > > > world's population, are not conscious of even a single full
      > truth,...nor
      > > > do they want to.
      > > >
      > > > People do not want to understand that the quantum process
      applies
      > to
      > > > humans as well as sub-atomic particles. They do not want to
      know
      > that
      > > > there cannot be a present or instant in time. The often
      expressed
      > term
      > > > 'present time' is an oxymoron. Neither science, religion, nor
      New
      > Age
      > > > philosophy desires to move beyond its own theories,...to have a
      > > > renaissance like view of the patterns that weave our existence.
      > So even
      > > > though truth will set us free, few wish to let go of the desire
      of
      > > > useless happiness, that they cling to for their identity, and to
      > > > authentically embrace the truth. Most people do not want
      the "who
      > that
      > > > they think they are" to disappear. They desire to bring their
      > conditions
      > > > into the unconditional,...yet truth will never allow that to
      > occur.
      > > >
      > > > Vicente
      > > > author of mc2 < c
      > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1425136486
      > > > <http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1425136486>
      > > >
      > >
      >
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