15442RE: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Sleepy & Hurting
- Jul 16 11:17 AM
Exactly. That’s what confuses me, too. ---Aideen
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Sent: July 16, 2007 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] Re: Sleepy & Hurting
Hello all...I'm confused about the pain issue...I heard that part of meditation is to be able to "observe" pain, discomforts and other sensations.. .and realize they have a shelf life..or are temporary... etc...what is the word on pain..not from arthritis or any ailment...the pain and discomfort that sitting in one position for a long time produce??
Daniel Bonekeeper <bonekeeper@gmail. com> wrote:
Aideen, have you tried to sleep as much as you could, to the point where you just can't sleep anymore ? Try this. Sleep until you are fully rested and just can't sleep anymore, even if you tried. Then, try to meditate, and we'll see.
About the pain, I can't tell much... personally I like to meditate in an reclinable armchair, very confortable, so it's easy to just forget the body.
On 7/16/07, Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@telus. net> wrote:
Errata: I exercise regularly, not irregularly. --Aideen
Thanks to Sean & Bob. Thanks also to the people who responded to Ben's post, because what they said reminded me that here are other ways of meditating besides sitting on a zafu.
The cause of my painful joints is no mystery – it's arthritis, & there are times when it's more painful than other times. I exercise irregularly & take long daily walks.
For the present, I'll make dish-washing my meditation & I'll position myself as Witness to the pain in my hands, which is less frightful than hip-joint pain.
It's all good.
Aideen: you may need to see a doctor, it could be circulatory or even something in the nervous system. In the mean time take a break from meditation. Get plenty of rest and exercise especialy after dinner take a long walk if it's safe to do so.
aideenmck <aideenmck@telus. net> wrote:
--- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com , "aideenmck"
<aideenmck@.. .> wrote:
> Lately I tend to fall asleep every time I sit down to meditate;
> constant battle to remain awake. Regarding this matter, I find 2
> conflicting views in books & articles about meditation. One is to
> accept that what's needed at that time is sleep, so if sleep is
> happens, so be it. The other is to regard the sleepiness as the
> mind, fearful of annihilation, setting up a hindrance.
> Another problem which arose about the same time as the sleepiness
> pain. Again, I read conflicting advice about whether or not to
> my position. Be one with the excruciating pain, or shift the
> leg, whatever.
> It's a bad patch I'm going through, I guess, because if it isn't
> thing, it's the other. I'd like to hear what anybody has to say
I'm still wondering whether anybody has words of wisdom about the
problem of pain to which I referred. Does one go into the pain, as
it were, remaining physically still? Or move to alleviate it?
Lately, there's always leg pain when I sit down to meditate, so I
could be fidgeting constantly. I don't know what to do about this.
I'd appreciate some advice.
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