15376Re: [Meditation Society of America] Thoughts on individuality
- Jun 3, 2007The Covenant web site that Sandeep refers to below is at:
--- In email@example.com, Sandeep
> Hi Sean,
Each object.......... apparently discrete, ..........each object with
varying attributes including the attribute of sentience(with the
object popularly known as "humans" having the most) ...........making
up this phenomenality in which you are reading some squiggles on a PC
.....is an expression....ing.
Expression...ing because there is nothing static about any object.
Whether that object is a stone lying still for a million years or that
youngest son thinking out of the box in elementary school.
Each expression...ing is uniquely crafted and is getting expressed
uniquely.............with each expressioning existing only as
reflection in the other.
And through "expression...ing"............are further expressionings
getting expressed............as thoughts.........as a choosing among
thoughts to arrive at
what is felt as MY DECISION.....
.....the external actualization of that decision as a physical action,
through the physio-neurological-spatial complex.......
....and the further invoked reaction/response/consequence of that
occurring physical action.
Moment to moment to moment, through the infinite array of
objects.....this mosaic of expressionings.....lo behold the drama of
infinite hues, colours and nuances.
Indeed, decisions are getting taken, intentions are arising and some
of them getting intended, some withering away......... will is being
exercised in the form of an exercising of choice of this and not that....
.....the successful/not-successful actualization of this will,
intention, decision....... each as as "events", as
"happenings"........making up the woof and warp of the fabric of
And in this whole drama made up of infinite
"happenings"...........there is no "individuated-discrete-stand alone"
entity making/enabling/abetting any of these "happenings".
Whether that "happening" is a thought of having a cup of tea instead
of a tequila shot, ............sitting in zazen or in the frenzy of a
stock market .......
.......OR even the thought as a reaction..........that this
no-self-proposition is a whole lot of hogwash, a mere justification to
rationalize the "bad/evil/wrong doing" that dots the world.
The acceptance of something, anything ...........OR the
opposition/rejection of that something, anything..........is once
again a mere nuance of the movement of the moment.
So what is this self, the "me", the "individual", the ego, the mind.
It is a sense.
A sense arising out of a sense of forgetfulness, resulting in a
identification with a particular, which results in a sense of separation.
And consequences of this sense of separation are the feelings of
ownership (MY out-of-box thinking son), which has to invoke the need
to defend that ownership, whether that be "MY" beloved offspring or
"MY" conclusions, "MY" understandings, "MY" book, "MY" truth.........
How does forgetfulness come into the equation and create "MY" world,
which appears so compelling real, in which I-Sean have so much stake.
There was a farmer and his wife who were childless, for decades.
After years, they have a son, who grows up to be a handsome lad, a
paragon of virtue, of loving nature............the pride of not just
his parents but of the entire village.
One day the son falls sick and his health starts deteriorating.
No medical treatment is able to address the illness and after
spending a fortune on treating his son's illness, the father and
mother are told that nothing can be done and the son has few hours to
Weeping for the impending demise of his only beloved son.......in
sheer exhaustion the father dozes off.
And after some time is woken by the loud cries of his wife who wails
that their beloved son is dead.
The father remains silent.
And for hours, while working out the modalities of the
funeral..........there appears to be no visible sign of grief on the
father's face or behaviour.
The son's mother berates her husband on this lack of grief for the
death of their only son.
The farmer responds" While I had dozed off, I dreamt I was the king,
with a huge kingdom.
I had 7 sons, each sturdy and handsome, each so capable, so lovingly
helping me discharge my duties in running the kingdom.
There was so much joy, so much richness in my life."
The son's mother scornfully asks "So what has that stupid dream to do
with anything now?"
The farmer responds " I am wondering, whose death should I mourn?
Of this boy or of those 7 boys?"
Nothing, absolutely nothing of this waking dream world has an
existential meaning, in the dream-world of your last night sleep.
The beloved relationships, the not-so beloved relationships, the joys,
the griefs, the achievements, the successes, the failures, the
understandings, spiritual or otherwise, the sufferings, pain,
hurts..........in a blip they get erased.
And re-appears on waking from the last night sleep.............(which
is believed to be the same as before, but is not)
And nothing, absolutely nothing of that dream-world of last night
sleep (which was so compelling real) has any existential meaning in
this waking dream world.
And nothing, absolutely nothing of either of these 2 dream
worlds..........has an existential meaning in the state of deep sleep.
That which appears and disappears in time...........can only be akin
to the eddies in the water.
Not the water.
That there is no "individuated-discrete-stand alone" entity
making/enabling/abetting any of these "happenings"...........gets
revealed through a very simple
If there is an interest.........this unraveling is detailed in the
Now the "clever mind" will immediately jump up and state if there is
no "individuated-discrete-stand alone" entity/me/self..............who
is do this unraveling.
In that "clever" question is the same paradigm at
work..............that there is something/some one to do
..............OR............ not to do.
If the unraveling happens as an expressioning through an expressioning
popularly known as "Sean".............it will be a nuance of the
Totality ...as the happening of that moment.
If not, ..........that non-happening as an expressioning through an
expressioning popularly known as "Sean"........
....that too will be a nuance of the Totality ...as the happening of
Doooo Beeee Dooo Beeeeee Doooooo
sean tremblay wrote:
> Greetings all!, I was just pondering some of the thoughts I haveread and written on Ideas of the self and I seem to have been railing
heavely in favor of the individual will. I would like to give a
little more of where I'm coming from on this. There are many Ideas of
what the mind is and what the self is. Some would say it is a
collection of memories stored by an organ bio chemical in nature and
based on biochemical responses to stimulas, I can't argue with that
but Jeeeeez thats cold. Others would say it is the acumulation of
past karma, again I can't argue with but it's the metaphysical
equivalent of the first option. Being a person of realitive reason I
base as most do my opinions on a combination of experience,
observation and good old fashioned gut feeling. As a father I have
had the wonderfull experience of observing my kids grow and develope
and from the moment they were born they have had something uniquely
there own, a light inside them so precious and unlike any other. This
is the thing they came here with and it grows with them, it tells
jokes and plays pranks, its the thing that drives them to climb trees
explore a new creek or just sit for an hour watching birds in the
feeder in the back yard. Everyone of us has this light this thing
inside us that makes us so unique and individual this is the thing
that lends so much flavor to our daily lives. I cant begin to acount
for all the people I have met that have left something with me some
experience a piece of there light I've met them in bus stations, city
streets, on trains and back ally's like one young girl bare foot in a
tank top and boxer shorts I met her while riding my motorcycle down a
back country road, she showed me which plants I need to pick to polish
the chrome on my bike. That thing that eassence of being in humanity
is our redeaming quality and if fully realized and expressed it can be
the thing that saves us from ruin. It's not to find or even awaken I
supose it's to be remembered. It's the person you where before
expectations and pain and diapointment set in when the demands of life
made you shut off that piece of you. I must say though that
boddisattvas walk amoungst us on the streets and in our children. I
was called in to the elementary school one day because my youngest son
was having difficulty, the teacher told me that he thought outside
the box and danced to the tune of his own drummer, well with great
pride I said Ma'am he's a seven year old little boy.
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