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15376Re: [Meditation Society of America] Thoughts on individuality

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  • medit8ionsociety
    Jun 3, 2007
      The Covenant web site that Sandeep refers to below is at:
      Highly recommended!!!

      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
      <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
      > Hi Sean,

      Some musings........

      Each object.......... apparently discrete, ..........each object with
      varying attributes including the attribute of sentience(with the
      object popularly known as "humans" having the most) ...........making
      up this phenomenality in which you are reading some squiggles on a PC

      .....is an expression....ing.

      Expression...ing because there is nothing static about any object.

      Whether that object is a stone lying still for a million years or that
      youngest son thinking out of the box in elementary school.

      Each expression...ing is uniquely crafted and is getting expressed
      uniquely.............with each expressioning existing only as
      reflection in the other.

      And through "expression...ing"............are further expressionings
      getting expressed............as thoughts.........as a choosing among
      thoughts to arrive at

      what is felt as MY DECISION.....

      .....the external actualization of that decision as a physical action,
      through the physio-neurological-spatial complex.......

      ....and the further invoked reaction/response/consequence of that
      occurring physical action.

      Moment to moment to moment, through the infinite array of
      objects.....this mosaic of expressionings.....lo behold the drama of
      infinite hues, colours and nuances.

      Indeed, decisions are getting taken, intentions are arising and some
      of them getting intended, some withering away......... will is being
      exercised in the form of an exercising of choice of this and not that....

      .....the successful/not-successful actualization of this will,
      intention, decision....... each as as "events", as
      "happenings"........making up the woof and warp of the fabric of

      And in this whole drama made up of infinite
      "happenings"...........there is no "individuated-discrete-stand alone"
      entity making/enabling/abetting any of these "happenings".

      Whether that "happening" is a thought of having a cup of tea instead
      of a tequila shot, ............sitting in zazen or in the frenzy of a
      stock market .......

      .......OR even the thought as a reaction..........that this
      no-self-proposition is a whole lot of hogwash, a mere justification to
      rationalize the "bad/evil/wrong doing" that dots the world.

      The acceptance of something, anything ...........OR the
      opposition/rejection of that something, anything..........is once
      again a mere nuance of the movement of the moment.

      So what is this self, the "me", the "individual", the ego, the mind.

      It is a sense.

      A sense arising out of a sense of forgetfulness, resulting in a
      identification with a particular, which results in a sense of separation.

      And consequences of this sense of separation are the feelings of
      ownership (MY out-of-box thinking son), which has to invoke the need
      to defend that ownership, whether that be "MY" beloved offspring or
      "MY" conclusions, "MY" understandings, "MY" book, "MY" truth.........
      et al.

      How does forgetfulness come into the equation and create "MY" world,
      which appears so compelling real, in which I-Sean have so much stake.

      An anecdote......

      There was a farmer and his wife who were childless, for decades.

      After years, they have a son, who grows up to be a handsome lad, a
      paragon of virtue, of loving nature............the pride of not just
      his parents but of the entire village.

      One day the son falls sick and his health starts deteriorating.

      No medical treatment is able to address the illness and after
      spending a fortune on treating his son's illness, the father and
      mother are told that nothing can be done and the son has few hours to

      Weeping for the impending demise of his only beloved son.......in
      sheer exhaustion the father dozes off.

      And after some time is woken by the loud cries of his wife who wails
      that their beloved son is dead.

      The father remains silent.

      And for hours, while working out the modalities of the
      funeral..........there appears to be no visible sign of grief on the
      father's face or behaviour.

      The son's mother berates her husband on this lack of grief for the
      death of their only son.

      The farmer responds" While I had dozed off, I dreamt I was the king,
      with a huge kingdom.
      I had 7 sons, each sturdy and handsome, each so capable, so lovingly
      helping me discharge my duties in running the kingdom.
      There was so much joy, so much richness in my life."

      The son's mother scornfully asks "So what has that stupid dream to do
      with anything now?"

      The farmer responds " I am wondering, whose death should I mourn?

      Of this boy or of those 7 boys?"

      Nothing, absolutely nothing of this waking dream world has an
      existential meaning, in the dream-world of your last night sleep.

      The beloved relationships, the not-so beloved relationships, the joys,
      the griefs, the achievements, the successes, the failures, the
      understandings, spiritual or otherwise, the sufferings, pain,
      hurts..........in a blip they get erased.

      And re-appears on waking from the last night sleep.............(which
      is believed to be the same as before, but is not)

      And nothing, absolutely nothing of that dream-world of last night
      sleep (which was so compelling real) has any existential meaning in
      this waking dream world.

      And nothing, absolutely nothing of either of these 2 dream
      worlds..........has an existential meaning in the state of deep sleep.

      That which appears and disappears in time...........can only be akin
      to the eddies in the water.

      Not the water.

      That there is no "individuated-discrete-stand alone" entity
      making/enabling/abetting any of these "happenings"...........gets
      revealed through a very simple

      If there is an interest.........this unraveling is detailed in the
      Covenant site.

      Now the "clever mind" will immediately jump up and state if there is
      no "individuated-discrete-stand alone" entity/me/self..............who
      is do this unraveling.

      In that "clever" question is the same paradigm at
      work..............that there is something/some one to do
      ..............OR............ not to do.

      If the unraveling happens as an expressioning through an expressioning
      popularly known as "Sean".............it will be a nuance of the
      Totality ...as the happening of that moment.

      If not, ..........that non-happening as an expressioning through an
      expressioning popularly known as "Sean"........

      ....that too will be a nuance of the Totality ...as the happening of
      that moment.

      Doooo Beeee Dooo Beeeeee Doooooo

      sean tremblay wrote:

      > Greetings all!, I was just pondering some of the thoughts I have
      read and written on Ideas of the self and I seem to have been railing
      heavely in favor of the individual will. I would like to give a
      little more of where I'm coming from on this. There are many Ideas of
      what the mind is and what the self is. Some would say it is a
      collection of memories stored by an organ bio chemical in nature and
      based on biochemical responses to stimulas, I can't argue with that
      but Jeeeeez thats cold. Others would say it is the acumulation of
      past karma, again I can't argue with but it's the metaphysical
      equivalent of the first option. Being a person of realitive reason I
      base as most do my opinions on a combination of experience,
      observation and good old fashioned gut feeling. As a father I have
      had the wonderfull experience of observing my kids grow and develope
      and from the moment they were born they have had something uniquely
      there own, a light inside them so precious and unlike any other. This
      is the thing they came here with and it grows with them, it tells
      jokes and plays pranks, its the thing that drives them to climb trees
      explore a new creek or just sit for an hour watching birds in the
      feeder in the back yard. Everyone of us has this light this thing
      inside us that makes us so unique and individual this is the thing
      that lends so much flavor to our daily lives. I cant begin to acount
      for all the people I have met that have left something with me some
      experience a piece of there light I've met them in bus stations, city
      streets, on trains and back ally's like one young girl bare foot in a
      tank top and boxer shorts I met her while riding my motorcycle down a
      back country road, she showed me which plants I need to pick to polish
      the chrome on my bike. That thing that eassence of being in humanity
      is our redeaming quality and if fully realized and expressed it can be
      the thing that saves us from ruin. It's not to find or even awaken I
      supose it's to be remembered. It's the person you where before
      expectations and pain and diapointment set in when the demands of life
      made you shut off that piece of you. I must say though that
      boddisattvas walk amoungst us on the streets and in our children. I
      was called in to the elementary school one day because my youngest son
      was having difficulty, the teacher told me that he thought outside
      the box and danced to the tune of his own drummer, well with great
      pride I said Ma'am he's a seven year old little boy.
      > Y
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