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  • Jeff Belyea
    May 31, 2007
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      Interesting concept. Maybe in a "dialogue"
      format - like we are doing here. Any title
      suggestions?

      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
      <bethjams9@...> wrote:
      >
      > Thanks Aideen
      >
      > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@...> wrote: You know what
      would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
      >
      > Aideen
      >
      >
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      >
      > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
      [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
      Belyea
      > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
      > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
      >
      >
      > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
      > on many points, and much of
      > what may seem like differing
      > points of view are more a
      > matter of semantics.
      >
      > The church (especially) and
      > most religious traditions have
      > become a train wreck of the
      > authentic teacher's original
      > teachings. Here, we absolutely
      > agree. There's no fun in
      > fundamentalism. The fanatic
      > religious view is the origin
      > of just about all wars.
      >
      > Yes, too bad that the term
      > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
      > something more like entrapment
      > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
      >
      > Your philosophy of:
      >
      > Eat good food
      > fall in love
      > raise happy kids
      > do meaningful work
      >
      > is simply beautiful. There's
      > an old Zen saying that goes
      > something like, "Before awakening,
      > chop wood, carry water. After
      > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
      >
      > I think that there is a large
      > audience for your "Scraped Knee
      > School of Philosophy". Your writing
      > style is unique and very appealing.
      > I hope that you continue to
      > develop that gift (inheritance).
      >
      > Do you keep a journal or write
      > often? Considering a book? You
      > use great analogies and very
      > creative metaphors.
      >
      > Love, as always,
      >
      > Jeff
      >
      > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
      >
      > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
      > would you?
      >
      > 2. A suggested perspective:
      >
      > Think of the battles in the gita
      > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
      > of the old testament or the tight-ass
      > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
      > rather than physical battles - in terms
      > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
      > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
      > ...awakening.
      >
      > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
      > I went through the door. One of the great
      > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
      > is that they leave the seeker outside
      > the door of awakening - leaving them
      > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
      > in heaven" - after they die. What
      > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
      > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
      > before I pull out my soapbox.
      >
      > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
      > <bethjams9@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
      > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
      expresion
      > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
      > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
      > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
      important
      > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
      > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
      > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or
      a
      > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
      > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
      > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
      bit "Willfull"
      > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
      > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all
      to
      > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
      > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
      > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
      > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it
      be
      > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by
      it
      > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land
      of
      > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
      > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
      > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
      > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
      > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
      > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
      > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because
      the
      > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
      > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
      > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
      > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
      > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
      > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
      > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
      > Good luck on your quest.
      > > Eat good food
      > > fall in love
      > > raise happy kids
      > > do meaningfull work
      > >
      > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
      > > Hi Sean -
      > >
      > > Yours is a reasonable response...
      > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
      > > or rather the impossibility of precise
      > > communication between two different
      > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
      > > interested, David Hawkins' book
      > > "Power vs Force" details his take
      > > on levels of consciousness).
      > >
      > > The realization that "everything
      > > works under one law" does not negate
      > > free will, it elevates it. We can
      > > still choose between a cheeseburger
      > > and baked scallops, and exercise
      > > free will on the mundane level -
      > > the trance level, or the level
      > > that we've been social coerced
      > > to accept as "all there is".
      > >
      > > But when nondual realization (by
      > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
      > > through, the personal ego gives way
      > > to the notion that the reasonsable
      > > and rational "self awareness" is...
      > > all there is to being alive.
      > >
      > > (Here's where precision of language
      > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
      > > personal self awareness is seen
      > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
      > > (even called illusory in most
      > > eastern traditions)
      > >
      > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
      > > something entirely different.
      > >
      > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
      > > shifts our perspective from being
      > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
      > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
      > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
      > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
      > > eternal, field of consciousness.
      > >
      > > The personal ego necessarily
      > > goes through the agony of complete
      > > collapse - giving way to the new
      > > realization that...hang on to your
      > > hat...there is a power greater
      > > than we are as individuals. And
      > > this "power" is beyond anything
      > > we formerly thought or imagined,
      > > different from personal ego..yet
      > > we are still a fully functional "part"
      > > of this whole unified field.
      > >
      > > This realization brings incredible
      > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
      > > free will, without the "should I or
      > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
      > > trusts completely in what "Is".
      > > And that translates to a completely
      > > free life, freedom from fear and
      > > doubt, and trust in one's own
      > > judgment (free will), because it is
      > > known that the choices are "guided"
      > > within the context of the whole
      > > of existence.
      > >
      > > Jeff
      > >
      > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
      > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
      > awareness,
      > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
      > > >
      > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
      > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
      > > done".
      > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
      > > > do!"
      > > > Kir Li Molari
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