15361Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
- May 31, 2007Interesting concept. Maybe in a "dialogue"
format - like we are doing here. Any title
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, sean tremblay
>would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
> Thanks Aideen
> Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@...> wrote: You know what
>[mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
> From: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AMexpresion
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> Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
> Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
> on many points, and much of
> what may seem like differing
> points of view are more a
> matter of semantics.
> The church (especially) and
> most religious traditions have
> become a train wreck of the
> authentic teacher's original
> teachings. Here, we absolutely
> agree. There's no fun in
> fundamentalism. The fanatic
> religious view is the origin
> of just about all wars.
> Yes, too bad that the term
> "Enlightenment" has fallen into
> something more like entrapment
> in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
> Your philosophy of:
> Eat good food
> fall in love
> raise happy kids
> do meaningful work
> is simply beautiful. There's
> an old Zen saying that goes
> something like, "Before awakening,
> chop wood, carry water. After
> awakening, chop wood, carry water."
> I think that there is a large
> audience for your "Scraped Knee
> School of Philosophy". Your writing
> style is unique and very appealing.
> I hope that you continue to
> develop that gift (inheritance).
> Do you keep a journal or write
> often? Considering a book? You
> use great analogies and very
> creative metaphors.
> Love, as always,
> PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
> 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
> would you?
> 2. A suggested perspective:
> Think of the battles in the gita
> and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
> of the old testament or the tight-ass
> writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
> rather than physical battles - in terms
> of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
> the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
> 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
> I went through the door. One of the great
> failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
> is that they leave the seeker outside
> the door of awakening - leaving them
> frustrated or waiting for their "reward
> in heaven" - after they die. What
> unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
> bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
> before I pull out my soapbox.
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, sean tremblay
> <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
> it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
> or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have beenimportant
> trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
> course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
> gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal ina
> the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
> conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or
> kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe thebit "Willfull"
> bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
> probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
> and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem Ito
> have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all
> reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bombbe
> belts and kid nappings and so on and so
> > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
> sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it
> trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I byit
> from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the landof
> canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you arethe
> talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
> as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
> realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
> enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
> may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
> this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because
> pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language doeswho knows.
> not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
> disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
> will is a contradiction in terms! Try
> > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
> not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
> Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
> Good luck on your quest.
> > Eat good food
> > fall in love
> > raise happy kids
> > do meaningfull work
> > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
> > Hi Sean -
> > Yours is a reasonable response...
> > and it speaks to the difficulty -
> > or rather the impossibility of precise
> > communication between two different
> > levels of consciousness. (If you're
> > interested, David Hawkins' book
> > "Power vs Force" details his take
> > on levels of consciousness).
> > The realization that "everything
> > works under one law" does not negate
> > free will, it elevates it. We can
> > still choose between a cheeseburger
> > and baked scallops, and exercise
> > free will on the mundane level -
> > the trance level, or the level
> > that we've been social coerced
> > to accept as "all there is".
> > But when nondual realization (by
> > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
> > through, the personal ego gives way
> > to the notion that the reasonsable
> > and rational "self awareness" is...
> > all there is to being alive.
> > (Here's where precision of language
> > begins to be impossible) Instead,
> > personal self awareness is seen
> > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
> > (even called illusory in most
> > eastern traditions)
> > Enlightened Self Awareness is
> > something entirely different.
> > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
> > shifts our perspective from being
> > an isolated and independent "thinker",
> > to a oneness or wholeness in which
> > we now know that we are an "aspect"
> > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
> > eternal, field of consciousness.
> > The personal ego necessarily
> > goes through the agony of complete
> > collapse - giving way to the new
> > realization that...hang on to your
> > hat...there is a power greater
> > than we are as individuals. And
> > this "power" is beyond anything
> > we formerly thought or imagined,
> > different from personal ego..yet
> > we are still a fully functional "part"
> > of this whole unified field.
> > This realization brings incredible
> > joy and freedom - and enhanced
> > free will, without the "should I or
> > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
> > trusts completely in what "Is".
> > And that translates to a completely
> > free life, freedom from fear and
> > doubt, and trust in one's own
> > judgment (free will), because it is
> > known that the choices are "guided"
> > within the context of the whole
> > of existence.
> > Jeff
> > --- In email@example.com, sean tremblay
> > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
> > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
> > >
> > > medit8ionsociety <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
> > done".
> > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
> > > do!"
> > > Kir Li Molari
> > >
> > >
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