15359RE: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
- May 30, 2007
You know what would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
From: email@example.com [mailto: firstname.lastname@example.org ] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America ] The Facts of Life
Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
on many points, and much of
what may seem like differing
points of view are more a
matter of semantics.
The church (especially) and
most religious traditions have
become a train wreck of the
authentic teacher's original
teachings. Here, we absolutely
agree. There's no fun in
fundamentalism. The fanatic
religious view is the origin
of just about all wars.
Yes, too bad that the term
"Enlightenment" has fallen into
something more like entrapment
in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
Your philosophy of:
Eat good food
fall in love
raise happy kids
do meaningful work
is simply beautiful. There's
an old Zen saying that goes
something like, "Before awakening,
chop wood, carry water. After
awakening, chop wood, carry water."
I think that there is a large
audience for your "Scraped Knee
School of Philosophy ". Your writing
style is unique and very appealing.
I hope that you continue to
develop that gift (inheritance) .
Do you keep a journal or write
often? Considering a book? You
use great analogies and very
Love, as always,
PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
2. A suggested perspective:
Think of the battles in the gita
and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
of the old testament or the tight-ass
writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
rather than physical battles - in terms
of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
I went through the door. One of the great
failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
is that they leave the seeker outside
the door of awakening - leaving them
frustrated or waiting for their "reward
in heaven" - after they die. What
unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
before I pull out my soapbox.
--- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com, sean tremblay
<bethjams9@. ..> wrote:
>it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing expresion
> Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most important
gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or a
kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a bit "Willfull"
and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all to
reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
belts and kid nappings and so on and so
> forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the samesceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it be
trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by it
from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land of
canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because the
pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
will is a contradiction in terms! Try
> baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one donot belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
Good luck on your quest.
> Eat good foodsean tremblay
> fall in love
> raise happy kids
> do meaningfull work
> Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
> Hi Sean -
> Yours is a reasonable response...
> and it speaks to the difficulty -
> or rather the impossibility of precise
> communication between two different
> levels of consciousness. (If you're
> interested, David Hawkins' book
> "Power vs Force" details his take
> on levels of consciousness) .
> The realization that "everything
> works under one law" does not negate
> free will, it elevates it. We can
> still choose between a cheeseburger
> and baked scallops, and exercise
> free will on the mundane level -
> the trance level, or the level
> that we've been social coerced
> to accept as "all there is".
> But when nondual realization (by
> any other name - enlightenment) breaks
> through, the personal ego gives way
> to the notion that the reasonsable
> and rational "self awareness" is...
> all there is to being alive.
> (Here's where precision of language
> begins to be impossible) Instead,
> personal self awareness is seen
> as a secondary or superficial awareness,
> (even called illusory in most
> eastern traditions)
> Enlightened Self Awareness is
> something entirely different.
> Self Awareness (caps intentional)
> shifts our perspective from being
> an isolated and independent "thinker",
> to a oneness or wholeness in which
> we now know that we are an "aspect"
> of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
> eternal, field of consciousness.
> The personal ego necessarily
> goes through the agony of complete
> collapse - giving way to the new
> realization that...hang on to your
> hat...there is a power greater
> than we are as individuals. And
> this "power" is beyond anything
> we formerly thought or imagined,
> different from personal ego..yet
> we are still a fully functional "part"
> of this whole unified field.
> This realization brings incredible
> joy and freedom - and enhanced
> free will, without the "should I or
> shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
> trusts completely in what "Is".
> And that translates to a completely
> free life, freedom from fear and
> doubt, and trust in one's own
> judgment (free will), because it is
> known that the choices are "guided"
> within the context of the whole
> of existence.
> --- In meditationsocietyof america@yahoogro ups.com,
> <bethjams9@> wrote:awareness,
> > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
> those are two qualities we posess for a reason
> > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
> wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
> > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
> > do!"
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