15199Re: Mindfullness meditation
- Jan 26, 2007Marc Moss <jellybean0729@...> wrote:
>mistranslated into some Keith Carradine Kung Foo idea that all you
> A perfect example of how the definition of enlightenment has been
have to do is be in the moment and that's the goal. But, that is just
a means. This is not pontification, my friends. This is truth. Truth
that requires much more depth of investigation.
> So, let's start with your idea that all you need is to be in the
>Uh, who said that's all you need? I certainly didn't.
>Fabulous, a great start. But, after a while, and suffering is stillbombarding you and you have yet to meet with your own Dharmakaya
expression, maybe you'll be led to investigate what the "moment" is.
>snip of lots of what Kir Li Molari would describe as
"Words! Words! Words!" and a pretty good example of what the
pundit in the Zen tea story was doing.
> As you see, the mind still moving is not in "the moment". If youhave not reached the ninth level of meditative absorption, ...
>And have you??? Are you "in the moment" or stuck retelling
your teachers story line? Going back to your criticisms of Dan
and what he has shared... They presented as condescending and
lacking compassion and seemed to be just a stage for you
to "show what you know" while your tea cup overflowed. Having
read hundreds of Dan's posts, my gut feeling is that he's at an
unlimited level, not just the ninth, and for decades has been
Realized or Enlightened or Aware or whatever adjective/adverb
you like best. And perhaps has much to offer that you could
> Mindfulness practice is wonderful, and having respect and faith inyour teacher is best! I applaud you, but careful on the criticisms. If
you are still experiencing suffering, you are probably not enlightened.
>This seems a critical judgement itself, and relative to suffering...
would that exclude Jesus from consideration as Enlightened?
> If you are criticizing someone else's words that were intended tohelp someone out of samsara, you should REALLY review your practice.
>So you're reviewing your practice?
> It would seem that mindfulness meditation has not sufficed toprevent these criticisms, which were motivated by what? Since
emptiness truly cannot be described perfectly in words, words will
only help eliminate all that it is not. So, perhaps there is even a
little bit of information that these postings could help. But you
aren't criticising me, you are criticising teachings from enlightened
Masters that have achieved the results that Shakyamuni claimed his
followers would experience for themselves.
>Mulitple critical judgements noted!
Peace and blessings,
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