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14865[Meditation Society of America] Re: Mixology

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  • Jeff Belyea
    Apr 23, 2006
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      Thank you for your non-attempt
      to not add clarity. Got it.

      --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
      <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > >
      > >
      > > > > > "There is no one to be
      > > > > > enlightened."
      >
      > *And thus there is no one or nothing................. who or
      > what................. is not already enlightened.
      >
      > The apperception of reality(to use a phrase) is the apperception
      that
      > reality is not less somewhere or more somewhere else.
      >
      > There is no gradations, there are no levels, there are no
      > stages..................thus there is no alpha and there is no
      omega.
      >
      > And thus no movement from a non-existant alpha to a non-existant
      omega.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Which is why, for the enlightened (using the usual conventional
      speak).....
      >
      > ......if there is an an "other".............other than
      himself/herself......
      >
      > ......an other un-enlightened seeker.............. who has to be
      taught,
      > ............shown the path, corrected, given clarity
      to.........etc.....
      >
      > .....it is the same hoopla of any other gaming which dots that
      same reality.
      >
      >
      >
      > And yet, dialoguing, communicating, discourses take place, have
      taken
      > place and will take place.
      >
      > The Jnaneshwars, Tukarams, the Buddhas, the Ramanas, the
      Rinzais,the
      > Mansoods, the Arabis, the Nisargadattas...........and their
      specific
      > unique lives......... have all occurred.
      >
      > Is there a contradiction?
      >
      > No, ...........as soon as it is apperceived,.............. that
      there is
      > no investment, no baggage, no-to-be-achieved-agenda, with such a
      > communicating.
      >
      >
      >
      > There is no communicating taking place to achieve
      anything,...........
      > whether that be clarity or transmitting of Light, Sound,
      Enlightenment
      > or whatever
      >
      >
      > There is no communicating taking place between discrete, separated
      > "selfs", ........one at some higher level and the other at a lower
      > (which would mean that there are gradations, differential levels
      to
      > Reality).
      >
      >
      > And yet communicating happens.
      >
      > Happens as a nuance of the moment.
      >
      > Which needs a gestalt of dualistic poles, apparently separated.
      >
      > Thus, speaking happens apparently through the distinctive vehicle
      > labeled as the "Sage"......... to.......... the distinctive
      vehicle
      > assumed to be the "seeker".
      >
      > But there is no "to" in this event-ing, .............the event-ing
      in
      > which............ the speaking, the contents of the speech, the
      > consequences of such a speaking.............AND......... the two
      > apparently distinctive separated conditioned vehicles through
      which this
      > functioning is occuring .....
      >
      > ......are ALL nuances of the same eventing.
      >
      >
      >
      > In the apperception of this.............who is then to seek to
      express
      > clarity............... of what is already crystal clear?
      >
      > Who is to receive clarity.......... of what is already crystal
      clear?*
      >
      > *Thus the apperception................. that the
      > communicating........... whether through a "Sage" or a through a
      > "believing-himself-to-be a Sage", ..
      > ...along with the consequences of such a communicating....
      >
      > ...just like any example of ANY functioning............making up
      the
      > moment.......
      >
      > .......IS IN completion,........ in itself.
      >
      >
      > In completion.........moment to moment to moment.
      >
      >
      >
      > As an example............ the arising urge to "do" a meditation
      > technique............ the arising is already in completion.
      >
      > The external actualization of that urge into a specific physical
      action
      > ,........ or the dissipation of the urge into
      mentation.........is also
      > in completion.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > This entire phenomenal gestalt, .............which is an array of
      > perceivable objects, .......
      >
      > ......EACH existing as an mere image, as a reflection......... in
      each
      > other other.....
      >
      > .......the entire gestalt apparently made up of tremendous
      movement,
      > "becomings", change, .......
      >
      >
      > .......not a single aspect of it............... is not in
      > completion.......... already.*
      >
      >
      > *Tremendous journeys were undertaken by you...........within the
      > last-night-sleep-dream-drama.
      >
      > Without you moving an inch from that 6 X 4 cot.*
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > > True, in
      > > > > > the absolute sense of
      > > > > > nonduality. Yet, we are
      > > > > > living, breathing, typing
      > > > > > and communicating in the
      > > > > > world of duality.
      >
      >
      > *In the "Yet".............appears the sense of distinction.
      >
      > There is no "yet".
      >
      > The non-dual reality IS the apparent dualistic world of living,
      > breathing, typing,communicating,............ of cyber-space and
      Internet
      > Gurus and the whole debate on whether practice non-practice, neo-
      advaita
      > and classical-dirty-your-hand-approach,......
      >
      > ...... the world of Dubya Bush and Bird-Flu, ..............of
      > catastrophic genocide, ............and of romatic
      poetry, ..........
      >
      > ......of flitting butterflies basking in the sun-shine and of two
      Dark
      > Holes each of the size of 100 Million Stars, currently merging
      into one
      > another in deep-outer-space as reported by NASA recently.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Non-Duality is never not the case..........while ever being
      transcendent
      > to that very apparently dualistic expressing of itself.
      >
      > The immanence and the simultaneous transcendence.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Just like the hoopla of the last-night-sleep-dream-drama,
      including all
      > the dreamt-up characters, including yourself,.......
      >
      > .......the pathos, the ethos, the seekings, the successes of those
      > seekings, the failures of the seekings, the loved ones and the
      unloved
      > ones, the relatings, the joys and sorrows, the agony and ecstasy
      > associated with each of those relatings, ........
      >
      > ........the experiences that you had which now define your own
      > self-identity to yourself,.............
      >
      > ..........the "Truths" that you have realized.......
      >
      > .....in essence the entire hoopla of the
      > last-night-sleep-dream-drama..............each and every nuance
      of that
      > hoopla....... was just you in expression.
      >
      >
      > While, ...........you ever transcendent to that
      hoopla, ...........being
      > the one sound asleep and snoring in a 6 X 4 cot.
      >
      > The immanence and the simultaneous transcendence.*
      >
      >
      > >
      > > >
      > > > My point exactly. And when
      > > > the advaita-speakers speak
      > > > from the cloud of unknowing,
      > > > they are not adding clarity.
      >
      >
      > *The issue is not whether there is communicating which is adding
      to
      > clarity, or which is not adding to clarity.
      >
      > The issue is,................. for whom does it hold a
      > relevance,................... that clarity can be added, through
      expression.
      >
      > Or clarity can be subtracted, through expression.
      >
      > Clarity about that, ...........whose very
      expressing...................
      > is the expression in question.....
      >
      > which is believed to achieve clarity or cloud clarity.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > *
      >
      > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
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