14742Re: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Could this be called a practice?
- Apr 6, 2006Dear Maria Luisa,thank you for your very interesting mail.What time is concerned I think one of the great goals of meditation is to understand - and try to neutralize the guillotine -effect of time - I loved this comparison and I found it would be a very nice piece of a koan.Time is a Key to Understanding - Key from the Emerald Tablets of Thot (1)and Understanding from Kabbalah (2) :1)Binah (Primary meaning: Understanding. Also known as: Intellect, Teshuvah (Repentance), Reason, palace, temple, womb, upper Mother, Jerusalem above, freedom, Jubilee, "YHWH pronounced as ELOHIM")Binah, is the "Mother" aspect and associated with the dimension of time (the future) and the first "H" in Y-H-V-H.2)And I questioned the Master, saying: ?Was this thought eternal?? And answered me the Dweller, saying: ?In the beginning, there was eternal thought, and for thought to be eternal, time must exist. So into the all-pervading thought grew the Law of Time. Aye, time which exists through all space, floating in a smooth, rhythmic movement that is eternally in a state of fixation. Time changes not, but all things change in time. For time is the force that holds events separate, each in its proper place. Time is not in motion, but ye move through time as your consciousness moves from one event to another. Aye, by time ye exist, all in all, an eternal One existence. Know ye that even though in time ye are separate, yet still are One in all times existent.? Ceased then the voice of the Dweller, and departed I to ponder on time. For knew I that in these words lay wisdom and a way to explore the mysteries of time.Never mind, Zen, Kabbalah, Thoth, a lot of Christian Saints said the same thing : Time is Light.When I try to recollect something I try to remember first how was the light at that specific moment. Meditation is very time consuming - time is the money one have to pay for the light.I wish you all the time you need to enjoy the light of every moment of your lifeDelia
Maria Luisa Cano <mlcanow@...> wrote:
Dear Delia,yes, time is a result of the process of thought, not the unbreakable base we suppose it is. Not the guillotine (I don?t know if this word exists in english, you know, that sword that cuts heads falling from the top?) we think it is. Because of the wrong notion of time, great suffering happens. Because we think there is this "I" that has to do something with its given time.This is how I understannd time:Time is the correlation of one memory to another memory. So "in memories we are lost"... It is the comparation of one object that has moved from one place in space to another place in space,? the change of attention from this place to the other place. It is all happening in the presence of awareness. Time is a tool needed for the creation of a continuity in thought, to give it significance and meaning, for the stories to be lived as if real. For the personage to perform its part on the play. All of it, a motion picture projected in the screen of awareness.?Thoughts appear and disappear, awareness is eternally and permanently present giving support to them. Time is what is perceived as the intervals between the changes in attention. But this perception happens in the permanent presence of awareness. So, where and what is time really? No mind, any answer will be so complicated...About the kingdom of heaven with which we have all dreamed of, I am very clear that IT does not exist. There is nothing out there (all of which is impermanent),- an IT-? different from what my real nature is, that will give 'me' permanent peace and happiness. There is no magnificent and perfect experience inside (inner) either, that will last for ever giving 'me' permanent peace and solace and perfect harmony and happiness. It is only the discovery that this suffering 'me' we think we are does not exist as a separate entity but as an appearance in awareness, the clue to access the kingdom of heaven (peace and happiness as the presence on which all the pairs of opposites can appear and disappear) , independently of any arisings or movements of thoughts or identifications. I perceive that you are clear on this too, but thought that it was important to say it as simple as it is.Love,Maria LuisaEl 05/04/2006, a las 9:18, Delia Tofolean escribióº¦¬t;/DIV>Dear Maria Luisa,?you began to find out what the notion of TIME really means. So many theories, so many practices so many holly books...and only one life, one hour, one minute.?One of the truth is that we all try to find "the Kingdom of Heaven" while we are living in this world. And meditation give us a precious solace - all who are called and found faithful, whatever their destiny will find more about this precious knowledge.?Alone to Alone but never Alone...?Serenity and harmony?Delia
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Maria Luisa"
> In my view, all the practices can be reduced to one single practice.
> At the end, all of them lead to it, if so. Purifications, letting
> go?s, observation, discrimination, repetitions, being still,
> mindfullness, meditation, being in the now, focussing, and whatever,
> can be reduced into simple self enquiry, which does not need of much
> training. It is one step practice. If we can call it so. In any
> there is no guarantee of it 'functioning', for the needed
> concetration for this depends on how able one is to be still, let
> observe, discriminate, concentrate..........:-) or just how tired,
> exhausted, one is of being the one, one is supposed to be. But let?s
> Thoughts are impermanent for they arise and disappear.? The first or
> most recurrent thought tends to be the thought 'I'. To follow the
> trade of this thought until reaching the source from where it takes
> rise would make evident that this thought appears as if from
> to then disappear into the same place.
> The biggest cloud in this respect is that we believe that thoughts
> occur to us. MY thoughts, taking this thinker as "I", which in
> reality is the root thought. "I" is a thought. First premise, yes,
> but nobody is ever convinced of this, so that is why it is suggested
> to investigate the 'place' from where this "I", as a thought,
> appears. And that?s all that can be done. Only when there is the
> eagerness to do this investigation, I mean, when one is really tired
> of being this "I", (of the seeking I) is when self enquiry is in
> truth done.
> Realization of the reality of what we are is so simple, so near, so
> obvious and immediate, but at the same time, we are so used
> in the tendency) to follow the thoughts and their continuity which
> generates stories, that it seems rare and difficult to recognize
> This, (which seems as if no-where, no-place, as if nothing, from
> which the thought 'I' or any other thought arises), Is what we are.
> Even to mention this would make a lot of people run away, for almost
> nobody wants to buy this scary proposition.
> Now, following the thread
> (of thoughts :-))
> being this a tendency (to follow the thoughts), the practice of self
> enquiry (to follow the trade of the thought 'I') is a direct and
> efficient way to cut such tendency from its root. Which, as well as
> can try to express, does not mean that no more thoughts will ever
> appear, but that their appearances will be known or recognized as
> what they are: just appearances in that (which I really am) , this
> name something or nothing which some call present awareness, others
> name it nothingness and some others call it consciousness or void (a
> non fashionable way would be God)? and the way I use to express it
> 'existence from ever and for ever'.
> (I seem to be mentioning a 'way' here, which also seems to be out of
> fashion, but I will dare to continue with this.)
> If we can call this a practice, between the so called purifying
> practices for a 'mind to be ready for enlightenment' or to 'deserve
> the Grace', as some seekers use to place, this would be an effective
> one. Ramana Maharshi said about self enquiry that it was the
> and the goal. But then again, everybody wants something better than
> what they have (are) now, so there is always something missing,
> is missing, the right moment has not come yet, and so on.
> The purification that so many practices called 'spiritual' seek, is
> in reality, as I have understood, the cutting of the road we are
> to follow, this means, to make a very strong STOP in the current of
> thoughts that tend to arise, and to pay attention to that or this,
> which is as if from no where, as if from nothing, that from where
> this same attention arise and disappears. Not being attention
> directed to any other thought in this instant, attention disappears
> in its own source. (Well, at least I am trying to explain how I
> it may happen, though it may not happen this way) All there is,
> is what always is in this very instant from ever and for ever. Any
> other instant (before or after) is just another thought happening in
> this instant.
> These are my ideas about the 'way'. But trully, trully, what I am
> sure is that there is no way, only what happens in this instant
> (for me) could be expressed as 'existence from ever and for ever'.
> So, a way to get where? Nowhere, only the possible recognition of
> nature of this ever present reality is what may happen in this
> Maria Luisa
Dear Maria Luisa,
It is said that Realization of "IT" happens
only by Grace. But there seems to be preceeding
events that prepare one for "THIS". Like when
soil is cleared of weeds and made ready for
the seed to be able to grow and come into full
bloom. I (whoever that is:-)) think that this
post is just such an enrichment of our inner
soil. And most certainly a Grace itself. Thanks!
Peace and blessings,
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