14581[Meditation Society of America] Re: The Dalai Lama on TV Said He's Not Enlighten
- Dec 22, 2005--- In email@example.com, "blueoceantiger"
>I've never seen a Tibetan teacher yet, who *did* say
> as far as enlightenment, many who are awake
> state they cannot claim this for themselves.
> it is rather an awareness of what is.
that s/he was 'enlightened.' It's not the done thing
in that tradition. They will praise their own teacher,
heaping superlatives upon their own guru, while saying
that they themselves have no understanding at all.
I've seen this over and over again.
Also, I believe, that within the Tibetan tradition,
'enlightenment' is seen in some ways as gradual, which might
perhaps correspond somewhat to the Vedantic teaching of Self-
knowledge with pratibhandika's, that is Self-knowledge with
obstructions, such obstructions having more to do with past
mental conditioning which are still causing pain in the mind,
and having nothing at all to do with the actual 'recognition'
of the Self. (But I'm not really familiar enough with the
teachings of Tibetan Buddhism to say that for certain).
I once heard a Tibetan lama, whom I thought was a wonderful
teacher, with much insight, refer to himself as a 'just small
piece of pony poop.' So, I think that the practice of modesty
and self-effacement is totally in keeping with their tradition.
And I do think that HH was kidding when he gave his reasons
for not being 'enlightened.' He does have a very good
sense of humor, and he likes to laugh a lot.--Durga
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