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13978Re: [Meditation Society of America] Re: TRANSMISSION

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  • Bruce Morgen
    May 4, 2005
      Reynold Wingate wrote:

      >Can you please rephrase the last two paragraphs?
      >
      I could, but with all due
      respect, I'll decline that
      request at his time.

      >I
      >have read somewhere that when high-sounding words are
      >abundant in writing, that's a sign the writer is not
      >very sure of what he is talking about.
      >
      An absurd contention imo,
      especially given that
      there is no consensus on
      what "high-sounding"
      means.

      >Good writing on
      >spirituality should be simple and easy to understand.
      >
      >
      Well, that certainly puts
      a good deal of what the
      ancients wrote out of the
      running, doesn't it?

      >I am lost in the last two paragraphs you wrote. Sorry!
      >
      >
      Me too -- but there it is.
      Are you sure you're not
      being a bit lazy in your
      approach? I can see only
      one or two words in those
      paragraphs that are all
      that uncommon, and the
      sentences parse pretty
      easily. The gists of both
      are quite simple and I'd be
      glad to discuss whatever
      specifics are eluding you.

      Thank you for your interest!

      >Reynold
      >--- Bruce Morgen <editor@...> wrote:
      >
      >---------------------------------
      >Reynold Wingate wrote:
      >
      >
      >
      >>Jiddu Krishnamoorthy used to dissuade those who
      >>
      >>
      >wanted
      >
      >
      >>to become disciples.
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >Well, he tried to do it --
      >unfortunately, after he
      >died he became the nexus
      >of YAPBC (Yet Another
      >Posthumous Bhakti Cult).
      >
      >
      >
      >>He believed the spiritual path o
      >>each individual is different.
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >That's a fact, no belief
      >is required.
      >
      >
      >
      >>A guru can only give
      >>general tips to grow spiritually based on his own
      >>personal experience.
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >Yes, just as pointing at
      >the moon isn't that same
      >as being able to grab it
      >and hand it over. ;-)
      >
      >
      >
      >>It may not necessarily work for
      >>his disciples.
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >Clearly, otherwise such
      >"disciples" would themselves
      >uniformly be realized.
      >There's obviously no
      >universal recipe for that.
      >
      >
      >
      >>I believe a guru is not an absolute necessity for
      >>spiritual growth. If you have the desire deep in you,
      >>you will stumble into the truth some day.
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >As Jodyji himself has put it,
      >the only actual prerequisite
      >is sincerity. This brings
      >energy and determination --
      >but also an awareness that
      >"the desire deep within you"
      >may in fact be nothing more
      >or other than garden variety
      >ambition, abeit clothed in
      >"spear-chill" raiment!
      >
      >Can we be both sincere and
      >indefatigable in our enquiry
      >without hope of status and
      >attainment? Isn't that the
      >subtly elusive "purity" that
      >is so often spoken of among
      >seekers, the surrendered
      >attitude expressed by "Not
      >my will, but thine" and the
      >very essence of both honest
      >enquiry and authentic
      >meditation?
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >>--- jodyrrr <jodyrrr@...> wrote:
      >>
      >>---------------------------------
      >>--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
      >>jasonjamesmorgan
      >><no_reply@y...> wrote:
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>>Hello, hello,
      >>>
      >>>Put two glasses of water side by side, and the
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>temperatures even
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>>out. This is called resonance. If you want to
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>defute transmition,
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>>go to the local university, and prove the world
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>wrong.
      >>
      >>The Self is of nothing in this world. The laws of
      >>physics do not apply, facile similes notwithstanding.
      >>
      >>Everyone is the Self. Nobody is "more" the Self,
      >>despite what superstitious folk want to believe
      >>about their gurus.
      >>
      >>The guru isn't there to zap you with shakti. That's
      >>a myth some gurus use to make themselves popular.
      >>
      >>What a 'dispeller of darkness' does is illuminate
      >>the thoughts of his/her devotees by pointing out
      >>the Self in their awareness. It's not something
      >>you catch vibrationally, it's something that's
      >>suddenly apparent when it wasn't before. The guru
      >>can make the connection for you, but you've got to
      >>see it alone, completely outside any mythological
      >>beliefs anyone has about gurus.
      >>
      >>
      >>
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