13551Re: Weekly Words ofWisdom-Love-Bob
- Jan 17, 2005--- In email@example.com, medit8ionsociety
I'd say that you present an intellectual
argument pretty well, but it is a spiritual
and emotional situation. As Gurdjieff would
put it, you're using the "wrong center"
to deal with Love.
You separate "intellectual" from "spiritual &
emotional" situations. Is there really a
separation? (More below in this topic.)
Since Gurdjieff is not around to ask what he
means, I will side-step the comment on
"wrong center" as you say he would put it.
I ask YOU what do you mean by "wrong center"?
In Raja Yoga, the yoga
of meditation, we find the first 2 steps
are to discriminate between the real/eternal
and the unreal/transient, and to have dispassion.
And how does one be discriminate at the same
time as having dispassion? Is this not a conflict
of terms? To discriminate is to find favor with
something compared to another...which suggests
The selfish love you write of is clearly
situational and changing. It goes from worthy to
I disagree. The selfish love which I speak of is
unchanging. It is the "unselfish" love that
vacillates from the worthy to unworthy. The selfish
love is always worthy.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with
what Swamiji is pointing to. To use an example
from another yoga that deals with Love, Kundalini
Yoga, the Heart Chakra, when opened, is not
selfish at all, and is infinite and non-exclusive
Could you please explain that further. I do not
understand what you are saying. What does this
love, when opened, do? How do you suppose that
this Kundalini Yoga came to be?
And when the veil of illusion is ripped
away, the undescribable Reality presents itself as
can perhaps best be most closly described as
Have you met "Loving Consciousness". Who rips
this veil away? Why is "Reality" undescribable?
Words can only give a drop in the oceans worth of
understanding of what this "Love" is.
Forget about the drops, do you understand it,
and if so, can you explain it to me a little bit
IT is only known experientially. And until that is
our reality, all of our "selfish" actions are only
attempts to experience this unselfish Love.
What is this "IT" that you refer to? Since it is only
known personally through experiences (experientially)
then it should be able to be explained...no?
Could you please give me an example of what you
perceive to be a "selfish" action?
Peace and blessing,
PS: I remember Swami Satchidananda once saying
(and I'm paraphrasing here) that the most selfish
person was the one who wants to be unselfish,
as s/he knows that only then will the entire
creation be known as themselves, and thus
satisfy all desires.
And what does that above mean? Sounds confusing to me.
With all the conversation above, I now
point out that your attempt to separate
"intellectual" from "spiritual" is nothing
more than a concept derived from an intellectual
base to describe the "spiritual" as "separate".
You make reference to "steps to be taken" above in
Yoga...this too is nothing more than using the
intellectual to come up with more concepts.
All the meditation & yoga "theories", practices
and "how to's" are all intellectual means to
describe a process. Man is wondrous in using
the intellectual to explain everything...even
to the point of saying certain things are
they have been set up that way.
Please, do not construe this as a belittling of
meditation & yoga, because this is NOT the intention.
What I am attempting to do is to take the mystique,
secretiveness and "unexplainable" aspect out of it. My
life is one continual meditative process.
Man has been working on making spirituality full of
hidden meanings, etc., for thousands of years. Haven't
we been asleep long enough? Isn't it about time
that we wake up to this fraud and take the hocus-
pocus out of it?
The "Loving Consciousness" that you refer to, falls
into this same mode. It has been conceived out of
the intellectual. Can you explain the difference
between "Loving Consciousness" and "consciousness"?
Intellectually, emotionally & spiritually yours,
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