12295Re: No Thoughts Are Brilliant
- Dec 17, 2003--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, medit8ionsociety
Dear Bob ~
> Sitting in meditation and witnessing your body, emotions, thoughts,*****In that moment, you are not. ;-)
> or whatever, eventually realization of a moment between the thoughts
> When in the thoughts, you are either drawn toward or going*****If you mean "in" thoughts as in "sucked into believing them,"
> away from the objects of your thoughts. All the chasing after or
> running away from these things leads to an infinity of discomforting
> mind chatter.
then yes, what you state is true. However, if you are equating "when
in the thoughts" with "being in the presence of thoughts," this is
not necessarily so. In my experience, (and I speak ONLY for Andy, no
one else), there is *no* problem with thoughts or their objects. Nor
is there chasing or running away from them. They are seen, arising,
receding ... just there, like the weather. Sure, some mornings, I
get up, look at the stormy sky, a bitter cold wintery day, and find a
disinclination to going outside in such inclement weather. But that
is just another thought, another story. Appropriate clothing is
selected and the journey outside is taken. (Or I crawl back under
the covers and call in sick! Hahaha!!!) Sure, there is a sting! of
discomfort when the wife offers a sharp word to me. However, in the
watching, any stories, tales, or spinning out from what happened
(some words were articulated, that is all) just does not happen. The
horizontal involvement in 'the play' gets cut off, even in the midst
of the thoughts ('She's such a bitch' or whatever).
> The space between your thoughts is where brilliance is*****Yes, it is peace, of a sort. But not one that is very useful,
> found. Brilliance as in light, and brilliance as in wisdom. The
> brilliance between thoughts is the experience of the infinite peace
> transcendent of thought.
in my opinion. Most of our 'conscious' life is navigated in the
presence of thoughts. Until they are experienced to be empty, until
one can 'ride' them with no upset, the work is not done. Thoughts
are not ~ and have never been ~ the "problem." It is the investment
in them that causes upset, disrupts the equanimity. Even the
thought "I am to die tomorrow," need not cause upset. It is, after
all, just a thought. It is not the dying (which is either to come or
not to come, at a later moment).
It is all well and good to experience peace, serentiy, even
brilliance!, while engaged in formal sitting. It certainly has value
(a lot! for some folks). But the persistent value of meditation is
that it may allow this Seeing to be carried off of the cushion, into
the workplace, the family, the world. And that entails being
serenely WITH the thoughts that bombard us throughout our day, not
escaping from them in the silence between them.
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