Re: A few comments on biaural stimulation
- Hello David, and thank-you for posting your most interesting
experiment on this listserve. Inherent in your record is an
assumption that deeper levels of absorption produce lower brainwaves.
However, since not a single researcher into meditation has yet
established they understand meditative absorption, or that there
subjects indeed exhibit meditative absorption, I do not believe we can
presume there is such a correlation until that basic link is established.
Kindest regards, Jeff Brooks
- --- In email@example.com, "Jeffrey S. Brooks"
> Hello David, and thank-you for posting your most interesting
> experiment on this listserve. Inherent in your record is an
> assumption that deeper levels of absorption produce lower brainwaves.
> However, since not a single researcher into meditation has yet
> established they understand meditative absorption, or that there
> subjects indeed exhibit meditative absorption, I do not believe we can
> presume there is such a correlation until that basic link is
>Thanks as always Jeff for checking my logic, I do sometimes still
> Kindest regards, Jeff Brooks
make faulty calls in my research and it is always helpful to have
someone intelligent and scientifically trained critique my theories.
In this case to support of the premise that meditation can create
lower brainwaves I would start by citing 4 sources.
1)The infamous Ken Wilber video. If Ken constructed the machine
correctly, and I suspect he did since he is a genius(from what I can
tell; and much more intelligent than myself) then the machine showed
many various types of lower brainwaves.
2)Swami Rama's interaction with the Menninger Clinic where he displayed
Theta brainwave production in meditation for an EEG machine, and lower.
3)The Noetic institute's studies on Swami Veda(One of Swami Rama's
disciples) where S.Veda showed delta brainwave generation during waking
4)The relatively well known fact that certain 'epileptic seizures'
generates various ecstasies rather than pain. These particular
temporal love seizures generates brainwave spike frequencies of 3Hz,
which is in the Delta band range, very low, and aside from then almost
exclusively seen in deeper sleep states
I also think that it is also the case that increased alpha wave
coherence can generate very deep relaxation. Also increased gamma
frequencies(30Hz+) increase and broaden across the surface of the
brain, which I believe account for the humming sound we hear,(dibba
It seems to me that they are many orthogonal phenomena occuring here
- Hello David, it is good to know that you are interested in keeping
your research model rigorous.
1) Please do not forget that we have already reviewed the infamous Ken
Wilber video and found that he clearly just paused the video at points
in the video where the randomly moving display of his simple EEG
device produced data that he thought the audience would think he was
doing something useful in his meditation. He too apparently presumed
that lower brainwaves equals success in meditation; however, do not
forget no one has yet to establish the connection between skillful
meditation practice and brainwaves. And, I should also remind you
that only the GWV has clearly established the characteristics of
skillful meditation through our literature search of the record of the
experience of the mystics and compared that description to a community
of rigorous contemplatives who manifest many of the characteristic
phenomena that was reported by key mystics.
2) Also, if you recall we have already reviewed Swami Rama and
rejected him as a reliable source of information regarding the
practice of meditation for a number of reasons. First, he claimed he
did a few decades of meditation practice and got nothing out of it.
Then, he claimed he got "enlightened" through shaktipat, then he
reported that once he was a guru he was too busy pandering to his
devotees to continue to engage in communion with the sacred through
Regarding the pseudo science that was conducted upon Swami Rama at the
Menninger Clinic: We found that they did not have a technician who had
experience with the precise measurement of temperature to monitor the
tests with Swami Rama. And, for the above reasons, any data that the
Menninger Clinic acquired with the subject Swami Rama is thus meaningless.
3) I do not recall The Noetic institute's studies on Swami Veda, but
if they have yet to establish what the characteristics of absorption
are, then their research into it is meaningless. If you have the link
for the paper I would be happy to review it unless that was already
4) Yes, I recall we discussed a type of 'epileptic seizures' that is
associated with manifesting characteristics that are similar to
absorption, but since absorption has been inadequately explored that
association cannot be made at this time.
In conclusion until the historical research into the phenomena that is
associated with absorption has been done and accepted, then correlated
with a group of case histories, then those subjects examined with fMRI
and EEG no research into the phenomena of successful meditation is
valid, and any conjectures about the biology of skillful meditation
are purely speculative.
Kindest regards, Jeff Brooks