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Re: [MedievalSawdust] Savonarola v Glastonbury Chair

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  • Rebekah d'Avignon
    Well......gee, it sorta depends. The Savonarola is listed as a Renaissance piece, so it isn t Medieval - but is within the range of the SCA. As far as folding
    Message 1 of 69 , Apr 5, 2008
      Well......gee, it sorta depends.
      The Savonarola is listed as a Renaissance piece, so it isn't Medieval - but is within the range of the SCA.
      As far as folding goes....wow. Some Savonarola's are made from straight pieces of lumber and fold fairly flat. Some (from the pictures on the internet) are either bentwood or cut so that the grain is not running full length. My question is this.....how much bend to the wood is allowed before the Savonarola resembles too closely the Dantesca chair? The Dantesca is the "Curvy X Chair" with the removable seat while the Savonarola is the straighter "X Chair" with the folding self-seat.
      I have 6 Savonarola's in the basement (woodshop) which I made and they fold to about 4" thick. These are not reproductions, rather they are modified a bit by necessity. Instead of the cross pieces coming up to become arm rests, they terminate just above the dowel. The dowel is locked in place by the arm rests which are three pieces of wood (3 sides of a rectangle).

      AlbionWood <albionwood@...> wrote:
      The Savonarola "sorta" folds - you have to take the back off, and the seat-slats have to be made a certain way (not all of them are notched to allow folding), and even then it doesn't go flat, in fact it takes up hardly less space.  I very much doubt that they were folded up often - under what circumstances would they have been?  This design was most likely derived from (or at least related to) earlier types, specifically the "scherenstuhl" frequently seen in 15th c. French and German art.  Also the Savonarola isn't what I would call medieval, rather Early Modern (16th c. Italy was not really a medieval culture).

      The Dantesca style is very similar to the Savonarola in appearance but does not fold at all (the way the joints are halved at the crossing precludes it).


      julian wilson wrote:

      I don't disagree with your thought - but where does this leave the Savonarola Chair design? AFAIK, this folds, and IS medieval in origin?
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    • logan
      unfortunately those days seem to be gone. my first two reigns were 11 years ago, then i did two 5 years ago, and i just stepped down from my fifth last month
      Message 69 of 69 , Apr 21, 2008

        unfortunately those days seem to be gone.  my first two reigns were 11 years ago, then i did two 5 years ago, and i just stepped down from my fifth last month and i can tell you first hand that the progression to a day of people filling in “checklists” and doing things just to get noticed has been steady.  it a shameful thing and more people are just after cookies than those just trying to make, or do, stuff because it creates a better atmosphere.  hopefully it will come full circle and go back to the way it used to be.


        on a related note, someone i had made a hanging shield for about 7 years ago just returned to atlantia.  the shield i made for her is about 20” tall and was made to hang from a wrought iron hanger outside her pavilion.   the parts of her arms were all cut out from 1/8” luan and glued to the front (sort of a 3d look) and everything painted.  her arms have a lot of white in them and i was afraid to use any kind of poly to protect the piece because of the yellowing problem.  no fun having a white field turn into an amber one.  so i used a product by behr called “crystal clear” water based polyurethane.  i must say i was greatly pleased with its condition 7 years and hundreds of hours in the sun later.  the white is still white and there are no signs of the finish failing.  has anyone else used this product?  has anyone else found something low gloss that wont yellow and doesn’t cost an arm and a leg (like the behr product does)?






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        From: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com [mailto:medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
        Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 4:26 AM
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        Likewise. What ever happened to people just making things to give to others
        or swap for something? That's the part of the SCA I miss the most. Everyone
        in now out to make money and/or win competition.

        The nicest peers in my experience are the ones who you wouldn't know as a
        peer except by actions with the new and inexperienced.


        -----Original Message-----
        From: medievalsawdust@ yahoogroups. com
        [mailto:medievalsawdust@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Chas
        Sent: Sunday, 30 March 2008 12:38 AM
        To: medievalsawdust@ yahoogroups. com
        Subject: [MedievalSawdust] Re: Kissing ass? (was Marketing (was need

        AH But isn't it true that Kingdom laurels and royalty should get
        around to smaller events too? MANY, MANY folks, it seems, go
        unnoticed on a local level for lack of local laurels, peers, royalty,

        Just a thought.

        I've heard (read) many a laurel and peer state that taking on "the
        title" is a responsibility, but see very few on a "local event" level
        do that.

        Again just a thought.


        --- In medievalsawdust@ yahoogroups. com, "Bill McNutt" <mcnutt@...>

        > There are also "political" things you can do that are very
        > don't involve any kissing ass, sucking up, or compromising your
        > When your name comes up in the polling circle and 2/3 of the room
        > "who?" It's not a good sign. So make an effort to meet Laurels.
        Show them
        > your work. Ask them their opinions. Interact. Then, they will
        have seen
        > your work and know your name when the time comes to discuss your
        > You also need to become perceived as a reliable authority in your
        > It doesn't do any good to BE an expert, if nobody knows you are. So
        > publish. Write short articles for your local newsletter. Post
        them on the
        > web and announce them on your local or kingdom newsletters.
        > Will
        > _____
        > From: medievalsawdust@ yahoogroups. com
        > [mailto:medievalsawdust@ yahoogroups. com]
        On Behalf Of Geffrei
        > There are ways to speed up getting your
        w:st="on">Laurel without politicking
        for it.
        > Good craftsmanship is a good place to start. Ask yourself "Do you
        want it
        > right or right now?" before you start making stuff to put in your
        > Take your time and do things right. Second, do research first and
        > what you make; not make something and then scramble for
        > Third, teach classes. Again do your research and provide a well

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