RE: [MedievalSawdust] Glastonbury Chair plans
Although I can’t prove it… I’ve always had a sneaking suspicion that our medieval forebears labored under the same motivations that we do today… not the least among them is the “ain’t this cool” motivation. Pragmatic ‘need’ wasn’t, in my opinon, the most driving element of design.
Standing out from the crowd… selling features… market forces that make one product viable and another fail... trendy things… fashion… all these things factored into design along side of the more conservative elements of tradition, utilitarianism, etc. … and, if you’re one of the financial elite, having something that is just ‘way cool’ and exotic (say… a folding chair)… can have value beyond financial just in possessing it. (… and that, of course, will inspire the Smith’s to attempt to keep up with the Jone’s)… a study of costuming fashion shows that many things would come into popularity in one “admired culture” somewhere in the world and then be emulated in lesser able portions of the world… pretty much as soon as they are able…
The roots of folding chairs though go back far beyond the medieval context. The romans had a version of the fauldstood (with what appears to be a cloth seat rather than a interleaved wooden slats) that shows up on a stella in the 1st century. Folding stools go back somewhere before 1400 BC. If you really wanna’ see something that ranks high in the “what the heck were they thinking” department, check out the “Throne of Dagobert”… a really cool folding bronze throne!!! (3th-9th century).
Personally I think both the Savonaroloa chair and the Glastonbury chairs are just natural extrapolations from a couple thousand years of chair evolution…
It’s a bit pricy… but if you’re really interested in the evolution of folding chairs… see if you can find a copy of “Sella Curulis: The Folding Chair” by Ole Wanscher. It was published in 1980 in Denmark… ISBN 8742303370
Tim, you wrote
SNIPThe convenience of a quickly folding chair seems modern to me; I cannot figure out what medieval need would have been filled by such a contrivance. ENDIT <<
I don't disagree with your thought - but where does this leave the Savonarola Chair design? AFAIK, this folds, and IS medieval in origin?
dwelling in "old" Jersey
unfortunately those days seem to be gone. my first two reigns were 11 years ago, then i did two 5 years ago, and i just stepped down from my fifth last month and i can tell you first hand that the progression to a day of people filling in “checklists” and doing things just to get noticed has been steady. it a shameful thing and more people are just after cookies than those just trying to make, or do, stuff because it creates a better atmosphere. hopefully it will come full circle and go back to the way it used to be.
on a related note, someone i had made a hanging shield for about 7 years ago just returned to atlantia. the shield i made for her is about 20” tall and was made to hang from a wrought iron hanger outside her pavilion. the parts of her arms were all cut out from 1/8” luan and glued to the front (sort of a 3d look) and everything painted. her arms have a lot of white in them and i was afraid to use any kind of poly to protect the piece because of the yellowing problem. no fun having a white field turn into an amber one. so i used a product by behr called “crystal clear” water based polyurethane. i must say i was greatly pleased with its condition 7 years and hundreds of hours in the sun later. the white is still white and there are no signs of the finish failing. has anyone else used this product? has anyone else found something low gloss that wont yellow and doesn’t cost an arm and a leg (like the behr product does)?
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Likewise. What ever happened to people just making things to give to others
or swap for something? That's the part of the SCA I miss the most. Everyone
in now out to make money and/or win competition.
The nicest peers in my experience are the ones who you wouldn't know as a
peer except by actions with the new and inexperienced.
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AH But isn't it true that Kingdom laurels and royalty should get
around to smaller events too? MANY, MANY folks, it seems, go
unnoticed on a local level for lack of local laurels, peers, royalty,
Just a thought.
I've heard (read) many a laurel and peer state that taking on "the
title" is a responsibility, but see very few on a "local event" level
Again just a thought.
--- In medievalsawdust@ yahoogroups. com, "Bill McNutt" <mcnutt@...>
> There are also "political" things you can do that are very
> don't involve any kissing ass, sucking up, or compromising yourprinciples.
> When your name comes up in the polling circle and 2/3 of the room
> "who?" It's not a good sign. So make an effort to meet Laurels.Show them
> your work. Ask them their opinions. Interact. Then, they willhave seen
> your work and know your name when the time comes to discuss yourwork.
> You also need to become perceived as a reliable authority in your
> It doesn't do any good to BE an expert, if nobody knows you are. Sothem on the
> publish. Write short articles for your local newsletter. Post
> web and announce them on your local or kingdom newsletters.On Behalf Of Geffrei
> From: medievalsawdust@ yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:medievalsawdust@ yahoogroups. com]
> There are ways to speed up getting yourw:st="on">Laurel without politicking
> Good craftsmanship is a good place to start. Ask yourself "Do youwant it
> right or right now?" before you start making stuff to put in yourbooth.
> Take your time and do things right. Second, do research first anddocument
> what you make; not make something and then scramble fordocumentation.
> Third, teach classes. Again do your research and provide a welldocumented
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