Re: Period hot drinks
- Ok you asked for it:
As you might have noticed I tried to state that hot drinks as we
know them today and as they are known in the SCA which correlates
strong are seldom medieval. They existed but had a much lower
percentage of use as todays hot beverages have.
Coffee and tea are also beverages that are common in the modern
society as in the SCA, which contradicts with medieval realities.
Also as I normally abhere from using medieval in the same sentence
as SCA I nevertheless do it now.
The SCA has a period. This period is not quite exactly the same
timeframe that science uses for the middle ages, hence it is called
period and not medieval.
AFAIK the scientific society ends the middle ages at the latest
1500, which by the way is far in the italian renaissance.
You may have noticed that I am talking mostly about the middle ages
aund you are talking SCA. This is not the same, not even close.
This group has proven to be an excemption since sometimes I find
something medieval here also. Thats why I stay.
The question I referred to was about leather, which is only loosely
related to wood, and about hot beverages, whose connection to the
middle ages is also not strong.
The combination of both is in the middle ages unlikely because
ceramic drinking vessels would be the obvious choice for hot
beverages because of the many advantages. Not to speak of the vast
finds of ceramic mugs etc. Leather drinking vessels where at best
sparse in the Middle ages.
If you have sources that contradict my statements in general I am
always happy to learn more. Please not more of e.g. "There are a few
richly decorated drinking horns, that were used for higly ceremonial
purposes, hence the number of drinking horns at an event worn at the
belt should exceed the number of people participating."
Back to lurk
"As I am no native speaker my english is probably faulty. If
something I wrote can be interpreted in two or more ways and one
makes you angry ot sad, I meant it the other way."
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "James Winkler"
> THEY AIN'T???drink with the addition of sugar, spices, beaten yolk of egg, etc.
> Mulled wines and things like that aren't period??? --
> "The OED says to mull is to make (wine, beer, etc.) into a hot
and who am I to argue with the OED but even they know that the
prospect of a mulled wine or beer on a cold day fills a person with
a warm glow. The history of mulling wine dates back to medieval days
when they were thought to be very healthy (agreed if you consider it
would be considerably more sanitary than their drinking water) and
probably did sustain their health through the cold winter months."
>outside China and Japan is said to be by the Arabs in 850 AD and it
> TEA ain't period??? ---
> "The introduction of tea to Europe - The first mention of tea
was they who were reputed to have introduced tea to Europe via the
Venetians in the middle of the 16th century. Subsequently however
the Portuguese opened up the sea routes to China, some say as early
as 1515, and the Jesuit priests, traveling on the ships, are reputed
to have brought the tea drinking habit back to Portugal, while the
Dutch sailors manning the ships were said to have encouraged the
Dutch merchants to enter the trade."
>but its in there... )...
> (Well... o.k., its 'just' in the last period century of the SCA...
>long tradition that went back to something hot and medieval...
> Possits and caudles are, per se, period... but I'll bet they had a
(actually caudles seem almost to be the colonial 'Yard of
> out of lurk.
> As hot beverages seldom and coffee and tea are definitely not
> it is about leather containers why are we discussing this?
> Back to lurk and waiting for the medieval sawdust bits