- You think so? I've always thought that the grain patter of Red Oak more
closely resembled brown oak, myself.
From: Avery Austringer [mailto:avery1415@...]
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 1:45 PM
Subject: [MedievalSawdust] Re: its gotta' be pricy...
Ya know, I really like white oak.
1) It's not pricy.
2) It looks a lot like English oak
3) I like it more that I like a lot of exotics.
Particularly quarter and rift sawn.
4) It's rot resistant
5) If I screw up, I can get more! Lots more.
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- I know what you mean I picked up some purple heart pieces 2-4' long, 3"
wide x 1.25" thick for about $2(canadian) a board foot.
I still haven't even figured out what I'm going to do with it yet.
Make a whole lot of Purple Fret and Purple Fretty award medalions and donate
them to the Middle Kingdom???
Just a thought.....
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- Bull pucky!! I have some very well worn archery butts made from left over
stained and painted waterbed lumber.
I once told someone who commented that I build furniture but don't
paint it, "but if I paint it I can't take it apart and make
something else out of it" :-)
-- Gillian Durham
>You think so? I've always thought that the grain patter of Red Oak moreNot to me! Red oak seems a lot more open-grained and coarser-looking than
>closely resembled brown oak, myself.
either White or English oak. None of the American oaks has the same color
or carve the same as Brown oak, although you can fume white oak to
approximate the look of English oak. I'm trying to do some detail carving
on some nice QS WO right now and it's a pain, boy do I wish I had some of
that nice brown oak... but at least it isn't Red oak, that stuff is awful
QS red oak looks even less like English oak - the ray figure is quite
different. Both American White and English Brown tend to have large
irregular ray flecks, whereas Red has those short patterned flecks.
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- Naw. But what the limeys want to charge for cutting down a chunk of
Sherwood Forest and shipping it to the Colonies!
From: Tim Bray [mailto:tbray@...]
None of the American oaks has the same color
or carve the same as Brown oak, although you can fume white oak to
approximate the look of English oak.
- A bit of Period trivia regarding bog oak:
Seems that originally (in Ireland) it was discovered by the peat
cutters who weren't especially interested in it, so they pretty much
gave it away to woodcarvers. The woodcarvers, always delighted to
have some new wood to play with (as w-carver me all-too-well-knows)
started making cool stuff out of the oak. They sold those
as 'rare' ancient oak, implying special attributes, some bordering
on magical even.....they were able to command higher and higher
prices for items of bog-oak as word got out and the well-to-do
became patrons (?) a bit of keeping up with the rich 'Jones'....
The more popular it became, the higher the pieces could command, and
the carver was still getting the wood practically for free, with a
couple of catches.
First of all, it was still rare they could get the wood, as it had
to be turned up by the peat cutters, and they didn't turn it up very
Then, when they eventually realized the kind of prices the carvers
were commanding for the finished pieces, the peat cutters wanted a
share of the profits so they sold the wood at a dearer price to the
Men started going out into the bogs with narrow iron poles, up to
15 feet long, to press down into the softish peat......when-ever the
point on the end of the rod clunked into a chunk of bog oak, (it had
a certain 'feel') they would just dig down to it and gather what
they could. This proved to be more profitable than peat-cutting,
but didn't sit too well with the carvers, who had previously been
making a tidy profit on the nearly free wood, were finally getting
more offered to them to try and meet the demand for items made from
the bog oak, but it was hurting their pocket books, so the more un-
scrupulous(sp) started experimenting with ways to artificially
produce fake 'bog' oak.....
One of these methods is to soak extremely rusty iron in vinegar or
old vinegary wine. the end result is a blackish stain.....painted
on the finished oak objects, it acts with the tannin in the oak to
create the appearance of the bog-oak....allow that to dry well and
then follow it up with a firm burnishing with a polished agate, and
one winds up with cool hard sheen and looks almost/pretty much
indestinguishable from the real thing. i.e. they found a way to
cut out the middle man. This all was working pretty well, until
eventually some expensive 'bog-oak' object got broken and it was
discovered to be a fake. i.e. apparently real bog oak color goes
deeply, if not completely into the wood, but the fake stain only
penetrates fractions of an inch into the wood. (as my own
experiments confirm) But a buyer couldn't very well break a
planned purchase to check it for authenticity, so he had to hope the
craftsman/seller was honest.....some were.
I have a wonderful carved in Ireland box
It's about 8-10" square by about 3 inches high
It's supposed to be bog oak
but for assorted reasons (i.e. places were the joints aren't as true
as they originally were) I suspect it may be fake, but I'm not
positive, as the carving on the top has cracked noticably, and the
black color clearly penetrated into the heart of the
crack......unless the crack happened after the carving was done, but
before any blackened stain was added..... O LOve the box!! i.e. I
would never dream of intentionally attempting to damage it to know
for sure about it's ideanity.
Anyway, just thought y'all might like to know a bit about the wood.
Shara, who's going to bed soon.
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> It would add whole new meaning to the phrase, "ancient andhonorable" wouldn't it?
> Dear Master Charles....
> No, I am not making your chairs out of Bog Oak. Don't even ask.
> In service to the dream,
> Lord Rhys, Capten gen y Arian Lloer
> Privateer to the Midrealm
I'm 'hoarding' an entire tree's worth of black walnut I split into
rough carving slabs with an antique froe and mallet.....
about 16/18 years ago.
and one big slab of planed purple-heart I just bought because it was
so 'rich' looking....the wood seller asked what I planned to make of
I told him 'Nuttin.....I just wanna polish it up pretty and set
something (anything) else nice I've carved on it..."
He laughed "Can't bear to cut into it huh ?"
I also have a section of Mulberry a fellow sca-er gave me.
Interesting yellow orange wood.
and a bunch of holly I saved from the side of the road.....
so much wood for so many projects, and not near enough time.
I'm no even counting the slabs I purchased at a number of wood shows
way back when.
The good news is that I AM finally putting to work some cedar planks
about 12-14 inches wide x 6 ' + long x 2+ inches thick...that came
saw-milled off of my lord's 100+ yr old family farm.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Joseph Hayes
> > Dear Master Charles....
> > No, I am not making your chairs out of Bog Oak. Don't even ask.
> They also sell English Oak, but the prices aren't listed for that
> I have a piece I bought mail-order a few years ago that cost about
> a board-foot. I'm afraid to use it. Anyone else have wood they're
> "collecting" ?
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