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Re: Achievable periodness?

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  • mahee of acre
    My opinion is that each person should strive...at their own pace...for a visual appearence of period. I do not believe in exclussion of those who do not start
    Message 1 of 49 , Mar 1, 2004
      My opinion is that each person should strive...at their own
      pace...for a visual appearence of period. I do not believe in
      exclussion of those who do not start with it or can not afford to
      maintain it. I would rather see plywood than plastic, and butterfly
      knots than zippers.

      The creative part is that there never was a form of chivalry as we
      see it. They did not go out camping for weekend events. One did not
      become a master of a craft for a long time. One did not do everything
      as you mentioned there was division of labour. We make a lot of
      accomidations...that is the creative part and why it is a dream.


      --- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, Conal O'hAirt Jim Hart
      <baronconal@y...> wrote:
      > Here is a question ( with an intro...)
      > Once you have been around for a while, you develope
      > your 'place' in the SCA. Do you go for the 'looks
      > good from 10 feet' position or as period as possible.
      > ( not trying to pick a fight here... ) Whether you
      > pick a persona that wears tunics and pants because
      > it's easier to 'make a reasonable attempt at pre-16th
      > century garb' in a tunic or go for a APAP ( as period
      > as possible ) later period persona....
      > Everyone finds a place to fit in. Stick-jocks, A&S
      > types, Fencers... The SCA's strenght comes from the
      > fact that we have a wide standard that is acceptable.
      > We still get little respect from other re-enactor
      > groups. We aren't period enough to be taken seriously
      > Because of that, do we have a tendancy to take
      > ourselves
      > too seriously? Are our standards reasonable?
      > How good is good enough? Is APAP a goal that is
      > equal to the status that the SCA gives it?
      > What happend to the Creative part?
      > Is a handmade bone needle more impressive than
      > an Elizabethan dress sewn on a modern machine
      > machine with fabric purchaced at Hancock Fabric?
      > Jokingly I've suggested planting my own trees, digging
      > my own ore, smelting and forging tools, etc...
      > A lot of SCA'ers seem to think that that is a good
      > thing. But it's not period. There was specialization
      > in trades. A carpenter or joiner would have gotten
      > his wood from a woodcutter and while he would have
      > some knowledge of the processes used to get the wood
      > to the point at which he would start his work, he
      > would
      > not be an expert.
      > Without going to extreme x10 extremes you can't find
      > steel made like it was in the middle ages. Your
      > tools are not the same even if you make them yourself.
      > Even the wood is different due to enviromental
      > considerations.
      > Now this all said, I enjoy the challenge of
      > trying to be as period as I can on some items.
      > Just not that items that get tossed into the back
      > of my van and left out in the rain and abused at
      > events...
      > Comments?
      > Burning Crosses?
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    • Dragano Abbruciati
      Wow! The original of that conversation string goes WAY back. *counts on fingers* Eight months or so!!!!! Dragano rmhowe wrote: ...
      Message 49 of 49 , Oct 13, 2004
        Wow!  The original of that conversation string goes WAY back.  *counts on fingers*  Eight months or so!!!!!

        rmhowe <MMagnusM@...> wrote:
        James Winkler wrote:
        > Parameters are funny things... kinda' like dogs.  Most mutts are easy
        > goin' and just wanna' be scratched and petted now and then...  Some like
        > to be rough-housed around with...  some like to sit on the front porch
        > and growl at everything that walks by.  So you'll find the range of
        > opinions and attitudes in the SCA.  Most are pretty tolerant and easy
        > going... there are some who seem to have socialization problems of one
        > sort or another and anybody can have a bad day.

        > If it folks or dogs growl... give em' room.
        > If folks or dogs wanna' play... they'll play.  If not... they won't....
        > If folks or dogs act up... smack em' with a newspaper... or a chunk of
        > rattan if they're in armor...

        I find that the simple truth is always the best defense myself.
        Sometimes there are differing ideas of what the truth is but I
        generally have found that simply repeating what comes out of
        some peoples' mouths in front of them is usually what it takes
        to rein them in when it becomes necessary under the right circumstances.

        > Bottom line... all depends on which pack of dogs ya' decide to run with
        > as to what you're SCA experience will be like...  welcome to the new
        > middle ages.

        98% of the SCA are very nice folks.
        The other two percent usually have some serious problems.
        And honestly, those we don't discourage can become really
        obnoxious at times. My personal pet peeve is the honorary
        peerage, which isn't one of the three the SCA officially
        recognizes but some of whom are determined to prove how
        much better they are than anyone else and bask in their
        personal glory. Which rattles my personal chain from time to time.
        This is a much lower % than the general population however.
        And honestly, around here at least, if they aren't sitting
        the throne they tend to be largely ignored.

        As I have grown older I have become much more specific about
        the kinds of folks I want to associate with. This generally
        excludes the social climbers, problem peers with exalted attitudes
        about how much better they and their opinions are than anyone
        else's, those who take unfair or dishonest advantage of
        kindnesses shown to them, etc.

        I suppose it's the egalitarian in me. I don't believe anyone
        is better than anyone else. However, I seriously believe that
        some people can show themselves beneath many other people.
        Depends on the attitude.

        > Woof...
        > Three Finger Charlie

        >     Thank you all for your replies.  I was just trying to get a feel for
        >     the parameters within which I would feel comfortable engaging with
        >     other SCA members.  I will be attending my first event on March 13th
        >     (The Winter's End Collegium and Competition in Huntsville, AL).
        >     Shoes and headgear be damned....let the fun begin!

        The SCA isn't anything worth sweating blood over for your first event.
        I have never heard of famous rudenesses in Meridies as I have several
        other kingdoms I won't name. But three of seventeen or so really isn't
        that bad as a whole for the SCA. I shouldn't wait six months to attend
        your first event. The SCA is however probably the most inclusive
        group you may ever join. Some may very well become your friends
        for most of your remaining life if you aren't careful.

        Ask who the Chatelaine is who controls the Golden
        Key (Garb hoard) in your area. It's their job to help you integrate
        and feel comfortable among us. It does help to tell people you are
        new and introduce yourself. The reason is there are so MANY people
        in the SCA and they are so busy with their own projects, activities
        and old friends they may very well think you have your own already
        and simply don't know you because they think you're from another area.
        This is where many newcomers think the SCA is ignoring them - but in the
        vast majority of times they are not being ignored at all - they won't
        know you are new and need help if you don't tell them. Walk up
        and introduce yourself. If your local officers have any sense they
        ask at events and meetings who's new.  Then they welcome them, or
        should. My very big barony has grown from circa 30 people 23 years
        ago in three cantons to around 500 in about to be six cantons and
        unaffiliated outlying areas. Heck, we don't know all of US.

        No one expects you to show up looking 100% for the first few years,
        or decades, in this particular reenactment group. The SCA began as
        a party and has continued in that tradition. The fact that certain
        members have improved things and research since then is laudable
        but by no means obligatory for new people. When you see folks
        depicting the pre-christian era at an event with people doing
        Elizabethan from maybe 2000 years later it gets a bit jarring.
        This leads to themed events and sometimes to alternate groups entirely.

        Regia Anglorum [ http://www.regia.org/ ]
        are probably the greatest sticklers for early medieval authenticity
        and refer to other groups as superficially similar societies or SSS.

        However - What was particularly hilarious to me, and I saw/read it
        happen at the time, was when Regia first began interaction with a number
        of SCA Laurels on the North American list and found out many of our SCA
        researchers were pretty much up to snuff, or possibly a bit ahead
        of theirs. So it goes. Right now it's pretty much mutual respect.
        Since the paid membership of the SCA is nearly 50 times larger than
        Regia's it also figures we have a larger number of serious researchers.
        They just happened to attract some of the ones interested in their
        time period right at first. Funny was what it was. Really. Then again
        the SCA has been around nearly twice as long as Regia has too.

        I'm a paid member of both groups myself.

        It's not who you are, or who you think you are, but what you learn
        and share and do with others. Everyone shares, everyone wins - with the
        simple disclaimer that there are always 'edicated idiots' out there
        who must be sifted out in their diverse opinions.  You don't want
        to be taking advice about using chemicals from someone who is not a
        chemist for example. They could advise you to harm yourself.

        Magnus, OL, SCA / Regia / Manx / Great Dark Horde

        >     Dragano

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